ZOS, please stop making shields too small

  • Soris
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    Then.. can we add an option similar to robe/jerkin? If people want to carry bigger shields, they should be able to do in the same way they are able to wear robes or jerkins. It's only fair then.
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  • essi2
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    I'm rather tired with all the bucklers in the game aswell.

    Not alot of swashbuckling going on.
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  • ChivalrousPoptart
    I have to agree with the need for bigger shields.

    If all shields are going to be held in an argive grip (shield strapped onto forearm), I think they should big shields.

    Otherwise, it would just look weird.

    However if they made the option to wield shields in a center-grip style that would make smaller shields a bit more cool.
    Edited by ChivalrousPoptart on February 27, 2019 8:15PM
  • Hymzir
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    Personally, I find most of the shields in the game to be reasonably sized. Well, for a personal shield anyway. Historically speaking, large shields are mostly meant for formation fighting. The idea behind them being, that in addition to protecting yourself, you also provided cover for the bloke standing next to you. This is true for the Roman scutum, for the Greek hoplon, as well as the viking round shield, famously used in shieldwall formations.

    With the advent of plate armor, the use of shields became less common, but they never went away completely, since they are such a simple and effective piece of protective gear. A key thing to keep in mind about a shield, is that it's a heavy and cumbersome, and not something that is comfortable to lug around. Smaller shields are much more user friendly, and as long as you are not supposed to be covering for the fellow next to you, generally do the trick just as well as a larger one.

    Bucklers of various size were extremely popular for this reason. Some were teeny tiny things only 20cm across, and others were almost full size shields (like the one I have - it's about 40 cm across.) Obviously there was a lot of variation in shield sizes and designs, but if one were to simplify things considerable, then you could say that buckler types shields were about 30 cm wide, most personal shields (like Anglo-saxon round shields, Italian rotellas, or the various heater shields used by knights) were around 60 cm wide, and the big shields used in formation combat were 90cm wide. Any larger than that, it's no longer a shield but a pavise.

    Even a 60 cm shield is heavy and cumbersome. It's difficult to carry and gets in the way of things. A 90 cm shield is generally not something you can carry on your arm for extended periods. You have to strap it onto your back, and no, you're not gonna swing it out into action like you do in the game.

    Bucklers, on the other hand, were small, light, and relatively easy to carry and wouldn't get in the way of things. You could strap one on your belt and quickly grab it and get ready for action. The only real downside of a buckler was that it did not provided as much passive protection from arrows, but what they lacked in coverage, they made up in not getting in the way or obstructing your own battlefield awareness. And you can totally bash someone in the face with a buckler. In fact it is lot easier to bash someone with a buckler than one of those larger shields, since it weighs less and isn't as cumbersome to wield.

    The thing is though, that the way shields are used and animated in this game, is pretty much bogus nonsense. Just as they are in pretty much every fantasy game. So there isn't much reason to worry about whether they are functionally sound or make any sense, and just go with whatever you find aesthetically pleasing. The game has well over a hundred different shield designs by now, so there is a lot to choose from. Including plenty of rather large designs.

    And if you like the esthetics of a large imposing hefty looking shield, then go for it. But just keep in mind that tastes differ, and some of us, like myself, prefer smaller and more reasonable shaped and sized shields.
    I dislike the tiny buckler type shields.

    Looks puny and out of place on a mighty Nord Shield maiden.

    I like the Morag Tong and Ebonheart Pact shield. Perfect!

    I used to think much like you. Found bucklers silly and way too small to be worth it. But after I finally got around getting one for myself and learning about how they are used, I changed my mind about them. There is an elegance of design and functionality, in the way you use them in combat, that I find intriguing. As a result, I've come to be quite the fan of the things, and can understand why they were so popular back in the day. They just work.
  • CaffeinatedMayhem
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    Huh? Shields are the best part of the gear art in this game. Thre are a lot of attractive ones.
    There are a lot of beautiful shields... just wish I could see my characters underneath them.

    More of the newer styles have shields that work for female/smaller toons, but after 5 years, I 'm tired of looking at a shield all the time.
  • Ragnarock41
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    So many people dont really see the point of the buckler. It makes me sad, I am very happy about the realistic approach to shields this game takes. Bucklers are perfectly realistic because in real life you don't carry a HUGE and HEAVY shield all day around on your back. You can think of bucklers like sidearms. Their whole point is mobility.
    Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 27, 2019 8:40PM
  • zaria
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    Id be happy of we actually held the friggan shield instead of hands free wrist levitation
    Yes make larger handholds, yes that would look a bit weird but it would not float away from your hand.
    Looking at the inprovements on hoods for Khajiit ears who this one think is awesome, fix shields.
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  • validifyedneb18_ESO
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    we do need some great shield styles.

    Bulwark of Azinoth anyone?
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  • josiahva
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    Krayl wrote: »
    A single combat shield meant for blocking a melee is a lot different than a shield meant to be part of a shield wall. Considering I don't see groups of tanks forming up to create a shield wall to protect from waves of archers, smaller shields make more sense.

    Anyways, it's a game, so nothing is meant to be practical, but a small or medium sized shield in the context of the game makes more sense than a bulky shield wall meant to be part of a larger group-defense.

    This is wrong. It would be correct if you were facing humanoid monsters...but the fact is when a bone colossus hits you and you have a dinner plate on your arm...that wont do a thing to stop that much force...whereas a heater shield is much more likely to actually stop something with more force behind it than your average sword-swing...from a realistic standpoint, if you were facing something like that you would have a full-length shield and dig the bottom into the ground as your braced for impact(and you would still go flying with 2000lbs of weight behind a blow like that unless you tilted your shield backward to deflect most of the force...like the armor plating on a...tank. Even then the force of that blow would likely break your arm at least)
    Edited by josiahva on February 27, 2019 9:33PM
  • idk
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    I think Zos has done a good job of offering choices. Some shields are larger than others ans the differing shapes will meet the differing preferences.

    It’s good that shields do not look alike.
  • Ohtimbar
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    Co-signed. I don't want comically oversized shields, or for the game to copy the wow aesthetic, but the ratio of buckler's to proper shields is suboptimal.
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  • SturgeHammer
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    My problem with a lot of the bigger shields is that they clip into the character models a lot. It can be a pretty ugly with bulky armor, or the during animations for a few of the personalities (especially idle animations). So far the only shields that avoid this issue are some of the small round shields and medium-ish sized shields that are wide at the top and taper to a point at the bottom.
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  • Ragnarock41
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    josiahva wrote: »
    Krayl wrote: »
    A single combat shield meant for blocking a melee is a lot different than a shield meant to be part of a shield wall. Considering I don't see groups of tanks forming up to create a shield wall to protect from waves of archers, smaller shields make more sense.

    Anyways, it's a game, so nothing is meant to be practical, but a small or medium sized shield in the context of the game makes more sense than a bulky shield wall meant to be part of a larger group-defense.

    This is wrong. It would be correct if you were facing humanoid monsters...but the fact is when a bone colossus hits you and you have a dinner plate on your arm...that wont do a thing to stop that much force...whereas a heater shield is much more likely to actually stop something with more force behind it than your average sword-swing...from a realistic standpoint, if you were facing something like that you would have a full-length shield and dig the bottom into the ground as your braced for impact(and you would still go flying with 2000lbs of weight behind a blow like that unless you tilted your shield backward to deflect most of the force...like the armor plating on a...tank. Even then the force of that blow would likely break your arm at least)

    If the game was based on realism, you wouldn't want to have a guy try to stop monsters with a shield. Pretty sure it would be done with arrows and spears since these are what we used to hunt down dangerous animals in the past, not really shields.
    Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 27, 2019 10:00PM
  • TheShadowScout
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    ZOS, please stop making shields too small
    Wrong request.
    Different people like different sizes!

    Some like to have small shields on their characters, to represent them being dungeon-spelunking adventurers who like being unencumbred in tight spaces, and only take a small targe style round shield on their adventurings. (Note that this is -not- a bucker, which was held in a different way, forward on the fist instead of sideways on the arm!)

    Others may prefer a large medieval kite shield or scutum style tower shield to stand stalward in the face of massive attacks and truly shine as the tank of the party while keeping all the squishy spellcasters and such safe from harm!

    And some go middle way and pick some medium sized knightly heather shield or viking style round shield for the generic knight/warrior feeling...

    So, the request ought to be...
    "ZOS, please also make some -huge- shields!"
    ...right?

    And then everyone can get behind that, the ones who have nothing they feel inadequate about to compensate with oversized shields already have what they like, and those who have less freudian motivations but just want to look like they can stop a monster loads worth of damage on their sturdy shield can get some BIG shields too, mmmkay? ;)

    And I am certain there could be some monster sets where a impresisvely oversized shield would fit the theme, yes? I mean... they are gonne get around to make more nad more of them so...
  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    I'd like to see a kite shield in the game.
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  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    WTH? I'm tired of shields being so big my female tank's head clipps through them constantly! There are PLENTY of big shields! Mercenary, Trinimac, Alliance, Militant Ordinator, Silken Ring, Dark Brotherhood. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. I just want a medium-small sized sheld that doesn't clip a head in half! And the "flip shield around" at Blacksmithing station... is weird.

    In before "but that's not realisitic". This is a fantasy RPG game. It's fine if you want to RP a dude who constantly carries a giant ass shield around, but I RP a woman who tanks in whatever clothing/outfit she feels like because MAGIC. If you can believe a staff offeres as much block mitigation as a shield, then stop asking for giant shields!

    To be fair it is a magical ice staff. I'm assuming magical thingies are going on.
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  • Commancho
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    Try this:
    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/File:ON-icon-armor-Shield-Order_of_the_Hour.png

    It's probably the largest shield in the game. I used to run it on my legionary xD
  • WrathOfInnos
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    Yeah, make Annulment and Conjured Ward great again! Wait, what are we talking about?
  • Jaimeh
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    Try the Silver Dawn style, the shield is pretty massive.
  • MartiniDaniels
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    Big shields usually end up in the middle of character's skull wherever you are running or riding horse.
  • Juju_beans
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    A shield so big there's a wheel attached to the bottom.
  • SOLDIER_1stClass
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    Shields are too small and daggers are too big
  • Gilvoth
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    i do have to agree that i love the look of Large shields, and i hope we see more Larger ones.
    but for the "rogue" dagger throwing, thief type, the shields should remain small.
  • Vapirko
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    Most of them are way too small. The daggerfall shield isn’t too bad, Trinimac is ok, I like the horned dragon shield (the one with the serpent on the front?) which is cool looking if still a bit small. ZOS seems to have a tendency in general for slim dinky armor, weird twisty blades and small shields. I’d love to see some more badass armor and weapons that favor a more classic look. I really like the new Stormlord axes and swords, but I’d like some more armor like the heavy imperial shoulders or skin changer chest which are just so old and outdated but are of the few that have a more imposing style.
  • DreadKnight
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    Couldn't they allow us to somehow increase/decrease the size of shields in the Outfit system? OR allow say 3 pre-set sizes? small/med/large for all of the designs? That would then cater to all arguments. Personally I like the larger shield designs.

    All current shields could be categorised as S/M/L. Then each could have a pre-set size variant, so for example a shield that is categorized as large (i.e. EP/AD) has a pre-set M and S option. A small shield would have a M and L version of itself and a medium shield a S and L option.

    Edited by DreadKnight on February 28, 2019 2:49AM
  • zvavi
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    So, the request ought to be...
    "ZOS, please also make some -huge- shields!"

    I WANT A HUGE SHIELD FOR ONE OF MY TANKS, YES PLEASE. HUGE SHIELD.

    1 shield style u make look like the big bulky wall that no ones can pass or deal damage to, out of the 3 tanks i will play (currently two, necros are not out yet) i will use it probably only on the dk, but man do i want something like that for him he is also the smallest lizard to possibly exist, so if the shield ends up being bigger than him by a bit, will be even funnier.
    Edited by zvavi on February 28, 2019 2:49AM
  • kargen27
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    I have one character that is a bow/bow build. He doesn't get to come out and play often other than to craft or maybe do a daily during special events. When he does come out to play I think he should have a Pavise Shield and a servant to carry/hold it for him.
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  • Sheezabeast
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    I got excited about the size of the Silver Dawn shield....but when equipped it looks like a giant Milano cookie...and it clips badly...I'd love some larger shields, larger round ones for sure.
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  • Sylvermynx
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    Actually, I find shields (the physical ones, as - I *think* - addressed in this thread....) WAY too big. Aesthetically ugly....
  • Vilhjálmur
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    I see some fair points about bucklers and practicality, I can agree with bucklers being more fitting for an adventurer in a fantasy setting, but the thing is shields are the favored gear for tanks, and for a class that is all about defending and taking on big guys it seems odd that their off hand gear of choice is a tiny buckler, I understand it's purely cosmetic and the only thing that makes a good tank is the stats but it just bothers me that the majority of shields in this game are small instead of having a good balance between small, medium and big

    I'm only saying that we could use a few more shields that aren't too small considering all the new ones look small
    Edited by Vilhjálmur on February 28, 2019 3:58AM
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