ZOS, please stop making shields too small

Vilhjálmur
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I know this doesn't affect everyone but I am personally tired of seeing most of the shields in this game be too small or have impractical shapes, all of the new battleground shields look small in my opinion and the arms pack shields all look like toys

I understand it's purely cosmetic but I just wish there were bigger shields, most tanks look like they're running around in fancy bucklers and not actual shields, I'm not asking for anything too big either like the Covenant shield, that's just excessive

Just my opinion but as a tank I want to look like an actual tank and not some guy running around with a toy shield, or a silver tray (silver dawn shield)
  • Lyserus
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    I mean, there is a thing called buckel or sth, like a really tiny shield, offer high mobility but requires precise blocking

    But yeah would be cool seeing tower shields like the ones Rhodok uses tho ;)
  • Tan9oSuccka
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    I dislike the tiny buckler type shields.

    Looks puny and out of place on a mighty Nord Shield maiden.

    I like the Morag Tong and Ebonheart Pact shield. Perfect!
  • josiahva
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    I agree...this is why I use the Silken Ring style...its a nice large shield that actually looks like it could stop something substantial
  • Vilhjálmur
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    Lyserus wrote: »
    I mean, there is a thing called buckel or sth, like a really tiny shield, offer high mobility but requires precise blocking

    But yeah would be cool seeing tower shields like the ones Rhodok uses tho ;)

    Yeah but those are mostly used for parrying and this game doesn't have a parrying system (bashing your enemy when they're casting an ability doesn't count), your speed is the same regardless of the shield style you use and since tanks are the ones that run around in shields most of the time it would make sense to give them decent shields, I just wish they had more round shields like the bloodforge one but in general just making them bigger is good
  • DBZVelena
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    um you do know what an actual tank looks like right?

    Here a reminder :p

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  • Starlock
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    There are dozens of different shield styles in the game now. They come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. There are smaller shields, medium shields, and large shields. We have options. If you would like to see this diversity in action, this is a great resource to check out:

    https://eso-motifs.mmo-fashion.com/search/?f=weapons&ptb-search=1&ptb_page=1&weapon_type[]=shield

    You can find one that works for you!
  • Kuramas9tails
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    I was thinking of the wrong shield.

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    • Royaji
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      Personally I care very little how my shield looks in combat since this is not what I'm paying attention too. It's more important to me how it looks outside of combat. And let's be honest, bigger shields clip with your characters head when you are moving and look terrible. I can see why ZOS is hesitant to add those.
    • lassitershawn
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      some of them do look quite odd and/or excessively small.
      William Thorne - EP Breton Sorcerer
      Astrid Winterborn - EP Breton Warden
      Erik Ironskin - EP Nord Dragonknight
      Venasa Viri - EP Dunmer Nightblade

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    • Mettaricana
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      Id be happy of we actually held the friggan shield instead of hands free wrist levitation
    • Starlock
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      Royaji wrote: »
      Personally I care very little how my shield looks in combat since this is not what I'm paying attention too. It's more important to me how it looks outside of combat. And let's be honest, bigger shields clip with your characters head when you are moving and look terrible. I can see why ZOS is hesitant to add those.

      Yup, I don't use the bigger ones for that reason. Some of the bows have this same problem. Large bows tend to sink into the back of your character's head as they walk. Looks pretty darn painful!
    • DarcyMardin
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      Yeah I just crafted one for my tank that’s about the size of a dinner plate.
    • Vilhjálmur
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      Starlock wrote: »
      There are dozens of different shield styles in the game now. They come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. There are smaller shields, medium shields, and large shields. We have options. If you would like to see this diversity in action, this is a great resource to check out:

      https://eso-motifs.mmo-fashion.com/search/?f=weapons&ptb-search=1&ptb_page=1&weapon_type[]=shield

      You can find one that works for you!

      I didn't say they're all small, I'm just saying the big majority are too small for shield standards, that or they look like toys, there's plenty of them with impractical shapes or that look too thin, some examples: Fang Lair, Fanged Worm, Ebony (this one not too much but it's way smaller than the one in Skyrim), Hollowjack, Sapiarch, Scalecaller, Buoyant Armiger, Divine Prosecution, Psijic Order, the new battleground ones, Pyandonean, Redoran, Welkynar, Worm Cult, etc

      And that's not counting the arms pack where they all look like toys, Abah's Watch and Breton heater shields have realistic sizes and I kinda wish to see more shields with these shapes
    • Raudgrani
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      Only shield I really like is Order of the Hour shields. Those round Nord/Draugr and Breton ones are pretty ok too.
    • Sarousse
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      That's why my using EP motif for shields. Big and scary.
    • Vilhjálmur
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      Royaji wrote: »
      Personally I care very little how my shield looks in combat since this is not what I'm paying attention too. It's more important to me how it looks outside of combat. And let's be honest, bigger shields clip with your characters head when you are moving and look terrible. I can see why ZOS is hesitant to add those.

      That's why I said we don't need excessive shields like the Covenant one either, I agree they clip and look bad on your back, specially with the commander personality my character's arms keep clipping with the shield

      There are just some shields that look too small and dumb I wish they made them a bit bigger
    • juhislihis19
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      Wow, almost triggered Sorcs with a headline like that!

      EP and Order of the Hour shields are cool!
    • Tasear
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      I think it's nice for us to have options.
    • Starlock
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      Starlock wrote: »
      There are dozens of different shield styles in the game now. They come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. There are smaller shields, medium shields, and large shields. We have options. If you would like to see this diversity in action, this is a great resource to check out:

      https://eso-motifs.mmo-fashion.com/search/?f=weapons&ptb-search=1&ptb_page=1&weapon_type[]=shield

      You can find one that works for you!

      I didn't say they're all small, I'm just saying the big majority are too small for shield standards, that or they look like toys, there's plenty of them with impractical shapes or that look too thin, some examples: Fang Lair, Fanged Worm, Ebony (this one not too much but it's way smaller than the one in Skyrim), Hollowjack, Sapiarch, Scalecaller, Buoyant Armiger, Divine Prosecution, Psijic Order, the new battleground ones, Pyandonean, Redoran, Welkynar, Worm Cult, etc

      And that's not counting the arms pack where they all look like toys, Abah's Watch and Breton heater shields have realistic sizes and I kinda wish to see more shields with these shapes

      That's fair. It's apparent that the design team really does not have realism or practicality in mind when it comes to developing armor styles in general, though. I'm okay with them exercising more creative license and coming up with some cool designs, personally.
    • Vilhjálmur
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      Starlock wrote: »
      Starlock wrote: »
      There are dozens of different shield styles in the game now. They come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. There are smaller shields, medium shields, and large shields. We have options. If you would like to see this diversity in action, this is a great resource to check out:

      https://eso-motifs.mmo-fashion.com/search/?f=weapons&ptb-search=1&ptb_page=1&weapon_type[]=shield

      You can find one that works for you!

      I didn't say they're all small, I'm just saying the big majority are too small for shield standards, that or they look like toys, there's plenty of them with impractical shapes or that look too thin, some examples: Fang Lair, Fanged Worm, Ebony (this one not too much but it's way smaller than the one in Skyrim), Hollowjack, Sapiarch, Scalecaller, Buoyant Armiger, Divine Prosecution, Psijic Order, the new battleground ones, Pyandonean, Redoran, Welkynar, Worm Cult, etc

      And that's not counting the arms pack where they all look like toys, Abah's Watch and Breton heater shields have realistic sizes and I kinda wish to see more shields with these shapes

      That's fair. It's apparent that the design team really does not have realism or practicality in mind when it comes to developing armor styles in general, though. I'm okay with them exercising more creative license and coming up with some cool designs, personally.

      No yeah I agree with you on that, some of these shields I just listed don't look bad, I enjoy the design of the Ebony and Psijic order shields, It's just the size or shape that makes me not want to use them
    • Krayl
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      A single combat shield meant for blocking a melee is a lot different than a shield meant to be part of a shield wall. Considering I don't see groups of tanks forming up to create a shield wall to protect from waves of archers, smaller shields make more sense.

      Anyways, it's a game, so nothing is meant to be practical, but a small or medium sized shield in the context of the game makes more sense than a bulky shield wall meant to be part of a larger group-defense.
    • Acrolas
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      In a single player game with more robust system requirements, we'd have more dynamic armor physics, weapons with sheaths, and shields that use their harnesses while maintaining a minimum of clipping.

      All gear in this game is designed within the engine limitations. There's still clipping and floating, but larger shields would cause more clipping and more floating.
      signing off
    • Asha_11_ESO
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      Yes please. More spectacular shields. Big shields, door sized ones.

    • Vilhjálmur
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      Krayl wrote: »
      A single combat shield meant for blocking a melee is a lot different than a shield meant to be part of a shield wall. Considering I don't see groups of tanks forming up to create a shield wall to protect from waves of archers, smaller shields make more sense.

      Anyways, it's a game, so nothing is meant to be practical, but a small or medium sized shield in the context of the game makes more sense than a bulky shield wall meant to be part of a larger group-defense.

      And again, i'm not asking for giant shields, I'm just saying they're too small and look like toys/bucklers instead of proper shields, if you think no one used big shields for single combat in real life then I invite you to look into viking round shields that weren't good for forming shield walls yet they were huge

      I'm not saying shields in the game need to be 100% realistic either, but just because it's a game it doesn't mean it could use some practical designs, I personally enjoy when medieval games get their armor and weapon designs right because I tire of seeing the same generic fantasy armor that looks ridiculous and ugly

      And i'm pretty sure tanks are constantly defending their group from enemies in dungeons and such, so yes, I'm sure in the context of the game decent sized shields also fit the tank style
    • Vilhjálmur
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      Acrolas wrote: »
      In a single player game with more robust system requirements, we'd have more dynamic armor physics, weapons with sheaths, and shields that use their harnesses while maintaining a minimum of clipping.

      All gear in this game is designed within the engine limitations. There's still clipping and floating, but larger shields would cause more clipping and more floating.

      I mean, if they make gear designs the way they are because of engine limitations how come we have the giant EP, DC and AD shields? if they can make shields that big I don't see an issue with making similar shields in the future
    • Acrolas
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      I mean, if they make gear designs the way they are because of engine limitations how come we have the giant EP, DC and AD shields? if they can make shields that big I don't see an issue with making similar shields in the future

      The Alliance shields have some of the highest degree of float due to their concave designs. While resting close to the back of the head and the tailbone, they hang a quarter meter or more off the back (nearly a foot).

      Smaller and flatter designs allow the shield to hang closer to the body, which provides a better illusion of holding and storing it.
      signing off
    • Soris
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      Yes please, need bigger shields.

      Just look at the shields in Neverwinter. They are the perfection <3
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    • Vilhjálmur
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      Acrolas wrote: »
      I mean, if they make gear designs the way they are because of engine limitations how come we have the giant EP, DC and AD shields? if they can make shields that big I don't see an issue with making similar shields in the future

      The Alliance shields have some of the highest degree of float due to their concave designs. While resting close to the back of the head and the tailbone, they hang a quarter meter or more off the back (nearly a foot).

      Smaller and flatter designs allow the shield to hang closer to the body, which provides a better illusion of holding and storing it.

      Clipping is an obvious issue, it happens with smaller shields too, like i've said above the commander personality almost always clips with any type of shield, my point is there is no ''engine limitation'' that stops them from making shields bigger, and I don't mean to ask for giant shields either, I've stated before that shields that are too big are not good, shields with impractical shapes clip too so regardless it's gonna clip one way or the other, I barely notice shields floating on the character's back so I don't see a big deal with that either
    • CaffeinatedMayhem
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      WTH? I'm tired of shields being so big my female tank's head clipps through them constantly! There are PLENTY of big shields! Mercenary, Trinimac, Alliance, Militant Ordinator, Silken Ring, Dark Brotherhood. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. I just want a medium-small sized sheld that doesn't clip a head in half! And the "flip shield around" at Blacksmithing station... is weird.

      In before "but that's not realisitic". This is a fantasy RPG game. It's fine if you want to RP a dude who constantly carries a giant ass shield around, but I RP a woman who tanks in whatever clothing/outfit she feels like because MAGIC. If you can believe a staff offeres as much block mitigation as a shield, then stop asking for giant shields!
      Edited by CaffeinatedMayhem on February 27, 2019 8:27PM
    • FrancisCrawford
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      Huh? Shields are the best part of the gear art in this game. Thre are a lot of attractive ones.
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