Initial thoughts on Tzogvin’s Warband

hedna123b14_ESO · February 2019

Masel wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ihMnbNMGFGc

Nice Tests Nos.

Here's a 2h build with that set.

Nice! So I tried out your build just now and im running into an issue...I did like 8 parses with executioner and then 5 parses without executioner (Kept Trap back bar and kept Netch front bar) I can never beat my non-executioner parses with my executioner parses...Seems like its not worth it...(My jewelry is 3 BT, so most benefit to executioner)
https://imgur.com/a/aMfQmtN

Masel · February 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ihMnbNMGFGc

Nice Tests Nos.

Here's a 2h build with that set.

Nice! So I tried out your build just now and im running into an issue...I did like 8 parses with executioner and then 5 parses without executioner (Kept Trap back bar and kept Netch front bar) I can never beat my non-executioner parses with my executioner parses...Seems like its not worth it...(My jewelry is 3 BT, so most benefit to executioner)
https://imgur.com/a/aMfQmtN

So running trap+tsogvins is better than runnign an execute? thats weird

Cause besides the dot you dont get anything from trap in these builds. In general i thought having that execute and starting the execute spam from a specific health border should net a dps gain when i look at the tooltips. Also keep in mind I test with fracture provided, so if you keep using shalsk in execute, i dont.

In a raid execute is gonna have a higher tooltip than any other skill that is not Hail and Caltrops, so using anything else gives you less dps overall.

hedna123b14_ESO · February 2019

Masel wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ihMnbNMGFGc

Nice Tests Nos.

Here's a 2h build with that set.

Nice! So I tried out your build just now and im running into an issue...I did like 8 parses with executioner and then 5 parses without executioner (Kept Trap back bar and kept Netch front bar) I can never beat my non-executioner parses with my executioner parses...Seems like its not worth it...(My jewelry is 3 BT, so most benefit to executioner)
https://imgur.com/a/aMfQmtN

So running trap+tsogvins is better than runnign an execute? thats weird

Cause besides the dot you dont get anything from trap in these builds. In general i thought having that execute and starting the execute spam from a specific health border should net a dps gain when i look at the tooltips. Also keep in mind I test with fracture provided, so if you keep using shalsk in execute, i dont.

In a raid execute is gonna have a higher tooltip than any other skill that is not Hail and Caltrops, so using anything else gives you less dps overall.

Besides losing the damage from trap you also lose netch front bar which is 3% overall damage gain. As far as executioner I agree that it should make up for it since on my parses it had a max hit of 67k and an average of 42k, but it doesnt seem to be enough. Tell me your rotation in execute, like what % do you start doing what?

Masel · February 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ihMnbNMGFGc

Nice Tests Nos.

Here's a 2h build with that set.

Nice! So I tried out your build just now and im running into an issue...I did like 8 parses with executioner and then 5 parses without executioner (Kept Trap back bar and kept Netch front bar) I can never beat my non-executioner parses with my executioner parses...Seems like its not worth it...(My jewelry is 3 BT, so most benefit to executioner)
https://imgur.com/a/aMfQmtN

So running trap+tsogvins is better than runnign an execute? thats weird

Cause besides the dot you dont get anything from trap in these builds. In general i thought having that execute and starting the execute spam from a specific health border should net a dps gain when i look at the tooltips. Also keep in mind I test with fracture provided, so if you keep using shalsk in execute, i dont.

In a raid execute is gonna have a higher tooltip than any other skill that is not Hail and Caltrops, so using anything else gives you less dps overall.

Besides losing the damage from trap you also lose netch front bar which is 3% overall damage gain. As far as executioner I agree that it should make up for it since on my parses it had a max hit of 67k and an average of 42k, but it doesnt seem to be enough. Tell me your rotation in execute, like what % do you start doing what?

At 25% i start only putting down Hail+Caltrops and then execute. At that point the tooltip of executioner outweighs the one of shalks. Only caltrops and hail can hold up to that.

The Damage Done from Netch are 3% in numbers, but since they stack additively with all other modifiers they're equal to roughly 2% in application..

hedna123b14_ESO · February 2019

Masel wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ihMnbNMGFGc

Nice Tests Nos.

Here's a 2h build with that set.

Nice! So I tried out your build just now and im running into an issue...I did like 8 parses with executioner and then 5 parses without executioner (Kept Trap back bar and kept Netch front bar) I can never beat my non-executioner parses with my executioner parses...Seems like its not worth it...(My jewelry is 3 BT, so most benefit to executioner)
https://imgur.com/a/aMfQmtN

So running trap+tsogvins is better than runnign an execute? thats weird

Cause besides the dot you dont get anything from trap in these builds. In general i thought having that execute and starting the execute spam from a specific health border should net a dps gain when i look at the tooltips. Also keep in mind I test with fracture provided, so if you keep using shalsk in execute, i dont.

In a raid execute is gonna have a higher tooltip than any other skill that is not Hail and Caltrops, so using anything else gives you less dps overall.

Besides losing the damage from trap you also lose netch front bar which is 3% overall damage gain. As far as executioner I agree that it should make up for it since on my parses it had a max hit of 67k and an average of 42k, but it doesnt seem to be enough. Tell me your rotation in execute, like what % do you start doing what?

At 25% i start only putting down Hail+Caltrops and then execute. At that point the tooltip of executioner outweighs the one of shalks. Only caltrops and hail can hold up to that.

The Damage Done from Netch are 3% in numbers, but since they stack additively with all other modifiers they're equal to roughly 2% in application..

can you get on PTS now?

Axmouth · February 2019

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ihMnbNMGFGc

Nice Tests Nos.

Here's a 2h build with that set.

Nice! So I tried out your build just now and im running into an issue...I did like 8 parses with executioner and then 5 parses without executioner (Kept Trap back bar and kept Netch front bar) I can never beat my non-executioner parses with my executioner parses...Seems like its not worth it...(My jewelry is 3 BT, so most benefit to executioner)
https://imgur.com/a/aMfQmtN

I reckon Bloodthirsty stacks additive with Execute damage, so weapon damage/stamina from other traits would give you more benefit. So unless it is not so currently, it's not most benefit to executioner, it would be the exact opposite. Since the more you have of something(extra % damage), the less you get by adding to the same thing.

Masel · February 2019

Axmouth wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ihMnbNMGFGc

Nice Tests Nos.

Here's a 2h build with that set.

Nice! So I tried out your build just now and im running into an issue...I did like 8 parses with executioner and then 5 parses without executioner (Kept Trap back bar and kept Netch front bar) I can never beat my non-executioner parses with my executioner parses...Seems like its not worth it...(My jewelry is 3 BT, so most benefit to executioner)
https://imgur.com/a/aMfQmtN

I reckon Bloodthirsty stacks additive with Execute damage, so weapon damage/stamina from other traits would give you more benefit. So unless it is not so currently, it's not most benefit to executioner, it would be the exact opposite. Since the more you have of something(extra % damage), the less you get by adding to the same thing.

It is multiplicative. Bloodthirsty applies a flat 10-30% buff to everything and is applied after all other things.

Juhasow · February 2019

Wasted opportunity. Still decent though after the change of proc conditions.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2019

Having ran nFV like 5-10 times recently, I got 3 body pieces and a precise bow. Actually got the bow the first time. Feels so much better then briarheart and actually makes my bowden put out a lot more damage. Any idea if I ought to keep farming for an infused bow or should I keep precise. Got to say it feels really good to have 75% crit though, on the front bar. Back bar infused vMA bow of course.

John_Falstaff · March 2019

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO , since you already got your hands on it - did you notice if it has internal cooldown when it comes to building stacks, or any crit damage tick will increase stack counter, even if ticks are closer than 1s to each other? I see it as a nice replacement to AY when it comes to mechanic-heavy fights. And the penetration bonus will probably allow for precise front bar / off hand (meta seems to be sharpened off hand, so penetration will simply move from weapons to 4pc bonus without CP adjustment).

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2019

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO , since you already got your hands on it - did you notice if it has internal cooldown when it comes to building stacks, or any crit damage tick will increase stack counter, even if ticks are closer than 1s to each other? I see it as a nice replacement to AY when it comes to mechanic-heavy fights. And the penetration bonus will probably allow for precise front bar / off hand (meta seems to be sharpened off hand, so penetration will simply move from weapons to 4pc bonus without CP adjustment).

There is no internal cool down. I have had it come back in like 2 seconds after it dropped off. I have had it build like 5 stacks in one acid spray in AOE situations.

John_Falstaff · March 2019

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO , thanks. ^^ That sounds terrific for the purpose then.

sudaki_eso · March 2019

Saw a video from Andy where he was using it along with allessian order to breeze through vma as a werewolf, gonna try this set if i can get my hands on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_24HKUpkmzo