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Who's not going to extend their subscription?
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Axzaril✭✭h9easmic_ESO wrote: »
Shows up as a withdrawal on my bank statement, not a holding charge.panemetcircenses wrote: »I'll buy my next 30 days because I have to if I want to use my first 30 days, seeing as how I prefer using a Game Time Card. I do plan to wait a bit before actually buying the card, though, partly because I haven't seen one as of yet and partly because I might as well save my 60 days until I have more free time than I do now. The initial excitement cooled with the enforced wait, which is probably not in Zenimax's favor, but we'll see once I get back into the game; the Early Access was pretty good.
They dont actually charge your CC as far as I am aware? So you dont have to pay to make use of the 30 days. At least I have not been charged.
Perhaps my CC account hasn't updated yet. I will keep an eye on it. I disagree with being charged to use the 30 days included with the initial purchase. I have no issue with setting up a subscription before using it with a CC or time card. But actually making a charge for the following month is a money grab and is not cool, if that is in fact what is happening.Edited by Axzaril on April 9, 2014 6:59AM0 -
Snugenz✭I'll see how it goes, atm i'm loving the game (when it works) and can see myself continuing to play but only if the bugs get sorted out, if not i'll take a break from ESO when Wildstar releases and come back to it down the road.0
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✭✭✭✭✭cheeser123 wrote: »
Does not change the fact you are not forced into anything. You can either wait it out, or borrow a friend's CC to unlock the 30 days, then cancel the sub(his CC won't be charged)0 -
Novarre✭I will continue subbing, for now at least and in the future it will depend on how ZOS handles everything. I like the game even if I can admit it has some serious problems, yet I have encountered only a small part of them, nothing of the sort other players have witnessed.
I continue reading the forums every day and realize I'm on the lucky side for now...am hoping to see some good change for the more unfortunate players tho'.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭cheeser123 wrote: »
Excuse me? If my friend asks me to use my CC to buy someting for him, how exactly is that fraud?0 -
Socratic✭✭✭Game is kinda boring me so far, so grindy with boring quests. Run, kill mob, loot dead mob, run back, wash rinse repeat. This system was great back in 2004, it was fresh. I don't even think the stories the NPC's give are even worth listening to either. And I can't even level up grinding mobs because I get a +0 XP bug from everything. TBH the game's just boring to me so far, even group mechanics are boring, 10 skills, but you have to switch weapons to get the other half. Why? TSW used 7 skills, it worked, because there were way over 500 abilities and passives to choose from so you could create a deck with each skill complementing the next. In this game it's just boring. TSW had better quests too come to think of it, more immersion going on. PVP is boring. Gallop for 5 minutes on your horse, either your zerg is bigger than theirs and you win, or theirs is bigger than yours so you die. The only thing going for this game IMO is the scenery, it's quite captivating, but as gameplay mechanics go, the games not really that interesting.0 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭cheeser123 wrote: »
Excuse me? If my friend asks me to use my CC to buy someting for him, how exactly is that fraud?
I think they meant "borrow" instead of borrow. As in, use your friend's CC without permission. Obviously if someone gives you permission to use their CC it's not fraud.0 -
Rastaban✭✭✭I was previously thinking, that I may or may not continue after 30 days based on whether or not I really enjoyed the game play with my friends. I was thinking maybe I would hold off for a few months, allow them some time to develop some good content and then return. Then again, I was enjoying playing with my friends and up until the point I couldn't access the game anymore, I was thinking I'd probably continue with it for a bit.
Well anyway, at this point, not sure.Edited by Rastaban on April 9, 2014 8:26AM0 -
cheeser123✭✭✭Excuse me? If my friend asks me to use my CC to buy someting for him, how exactly is that fraud?
Come on, aren't you one of those jokers who's rambling about the EULA, telling people who can't access the game (no key in the box, no game cards at stores, etc.) to suck it up?
You can't use other people's CC to sign up for this game. It's right there in the Zenimax / TES Online ToS. Your card, your address, your name, your card. Not your friend's. Get with the program.0 -
cheeser123✭✭✭I think they meant "borrow" instead of borrow. As in, use your friend's CC without permission. Obviously if someone gives you permission to use their CC it's not fraud.
Depends on the card's terms of use, but usually it's a breach of their terms. In this case it's also a breach of the terms of service for TES Online. It's also fraud since (based on what the ToS say) you're representing yourself as the cardholder when you aren't.0 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭cheeser123 wrote: »I think they meant "borrow" instead of borrow. As in, use your friend's CC without permission. Obviously if someone gives you permission to use their CC it's not fraud.
Depends on the card's terms of use, but usually it's a breach of their terms. In this case it's also a breach of the terms of service for TES Online. It's also fraud since (based on what the ToS say) you're representing yourself as the cardholder when you aren't.
I equate it as going to the store with a friend, and *me* using my credit card to pay for their stuff because I'm generous. Not them using my card in any way. If that makes sense.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭cheeser123 wrote: »Excuse me? If my friend asks me to use my CC to buy someting for him, how exactly is that fraud?
You can't use other people's CC to sign up for this game. It's right there in the Zenimax / TES Online ToS. Your card, your address, your name, your card. Not your friend's. Get with the program.
But THEY can use THEIR card to set up a subscription on my account. Which is what i was suggesting.
And that is allowed, of course. Otherwise a parent could not buy a subscription for his kid.
Edited by Sharee on April 9, 2014 8:23AM0 -
cheeser123✭✭✭I equate it as going to the store with a friend, and *me* using my credit card to pay for their stuff because I'm generous. Not them using my card in any way. If that makes sense.
You might think of those as the same, but the transaction looks very different on paper. And the ToS certainly don't see things that way.
Besides, I'm just giving it right back to the goobers who are telling people to "suck it up" over various other problems (like this one in particular, where Zenimax execs were promising a 30 day "try out" before you have to subscribe). They expect "just use a friend's card" to fix this issue? That's pretty ridiculous.0 -
I've got my 3 month sub set up. I also discovered today I accidentally bought 2 copies of the digital imperial edition
so now to try and get a refund. Stupid paypal web interface time out error. 0 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭cheeser123 wrote: »I equate it as going to the store with a friend, and *me* using my credit card to pay for their stuff because I'm generous. Not them using my card in any way. If that makes sense.
You might think of those as the same, but the transaction looks very different on paper. And the ToS certainly don't see things that way.
Besides, I'm just giving it right back to the goobers who are telling people to "suck it up" over various other problems (like this one in particular, where Zenimax execs were promising a 30 day "try out" before you have to subscribe). They expect "just use a friend's card" to fix this issue? That's pretty ridiculous.
The terms of service don't say that you can't pay for someone else's account. It just says that your account has to be in your name, meaning you can't gift/sell/trade/etc accounts. It would be ridiculous to not allow you to pay for someone else's subscription if you wanted to.0 -
cheeser123✭✭✭But THEY can use THEIR card to set up a subscription on my account. Which is what i was suggesting.
And that is allowed, of course. Otherwise a parent could not buy a subscription for his kid.
*facepalm*
Just Google search: "Authorized User" "Credit Card"
The fact that you think random guy A and random guy B are the same as minor child and parent/guardian is hilarious and totally wrong. You want to jump up people's butts when you think you've caught them. Ah ha!
Well, your suggestion to use someone else's card even with permission violates the ToS and is fraud.Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on April 9, 2014 9:51AM0 -
Socratic✭✭✭It's their money, if they wish to choose to spend it on their friend it's perfectly legal. Stop throwing T&C's about guessing that it "probably" breaks them. Stupid guess work, laughable hahaha. What about kids that use their parents cards? Hell I'm 26 and I don't have a slave credit card.0
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Saerydoth✭✭✭✭It's their money, if they wish to choose to spend it on their friend it's perfectly legal. Stop throwing T&C's about guessing that it "probably" breaks them. Stupid guess work, laughable hahaha. What about kids that use their parents cards? Hell I'm 26 and I don't have a slave credit card.
This exactly. I have used my debit card to pay for a friend's MMO subscription before, because they couldn't afford it.0 -
I am already locked in for 90 days, because i didn't have a CC and therefore had to buy an extra game-timecard. I do not mind logging in and out sometimes when i encounter a bug. The game is pretty good in it's early stage imo.
However the problems with CS and the overal company policy etc i do not like that much.
If i will continue subbing after those 90 days? Time will tell. Probably only when they offer me enough (endgame)content to play around with.1 -
cheeser123✭✭✭5. PAID SERVICES
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Now, I'm done being a pedantic jerk, but this is how you treated the people making these complaints in the first place.
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LorenzoDaManSoul ShrivenI have seen launches worse than this, but I notice a lot of people are encountering problems, my brother included. But I guess I've been lucky and dodged most of them. Bugs or not, I think this game has the potential to become something solid, and worth supporting. In other words, I will continue my sub.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭cheeser123 wrote: »Well, clever guy, your idiotic suggestion to use someone else's card even with permission violates the ToS and is fraud.
Except i am not suggesting to use someone else's card, i am suggesting that THEY use THEIR card to pay for your subscription. Which is entirely legal and neither a fraud nor a ToS violation.0 -
cheeser123✭✭✭Except i am not suggesting to use someone else's card, i am suggesting that THEY use THEIR card to pay for your subscription. Which is entirely legal and neither a fraud nor a ToS violation.
What are you, dense? If you log into TES Online and somebody else puts in his information, TES sees your account and somebody else's CC info. It doesn't matter if he's punching the keys, man.
How does it feel having somebody throw the EULA and ToS in your face now? Not so good, eh?0 -
Conntra✭I am going to extend my subscription. I have only ran into two bugs. Balreth and getting stuck on the Cyrodiil load screen. Lucky for me Balreth got cleared up and I found a work around for Cyrodiil.
I've only played up to lvl 28, but so far everything has been pretty smooth.
The work around I used for the Cyrodiil load screen is deleting the "ZO_Ingame.lua" file in this dir "My Documents/Elder Scrolls Online/live/SavedVariables" Others have reported that deleting the entire folder works as well. Just make sure you sure down the game/patcher first.
I played SWTOR and really like it. My guild quit because there was no real endgame content, and the content that was there was kind of bugged(SOA).
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭cheeser123 wrote: »Except i am not suggesting to use someone else's card, i am suggesting that THEY use THEIR card to pay for your subscription. Which is entirely legal and neither a fraud nor a ToS violation.
What are you, dense? If you log into TES Online and somebody else puts in his information, TES sees your account and somebody else's CC info. It doesn't matter if he's punching the keys, man.
How does it feel having somebody throw the EULA and ToS in your face now? Not so good, eh?
The quote says you must be the authorized user of the credit card you use to pay for the subscripton.
It does not say you have to be the person who will be using that subscription.0 -
Socratic✭✭✭
Ignore him he's one of those lesser beings you hear about, a loud mouthed jack the lad who's mind is occupied mostly by sex, fighting, sports, alcohol and what's on TV or what game he should play.cheeser123 wrote: »Except i am not suggesting to use someone else's card, i am suggesting that THEY use THEIR card to pay for your subscription. Which is entirely legal and neither a fraud nor a ToS violation.
What are you, dense? If you log into TES Online and somebody else puts in his information, TES sees your account and somebody else's CC info. It doesn't matter if he's punching the keys, man.
How does it feel having somebody throw the EULA and ToS in your face now? Not so good, eh?
The quote says you must be the authorized user of the credit card you use to pay for the subscripton.
It does not say you have to be the person who will be using that subscription.
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cheeser123✭✭✭Ignore him he's one of those lesser beings you hear about, a loud mouthed jack the lad who's mind is occupied mostly by sex, fighting, sports, alcohol and what's on TV or what game he should play.
Calls me "neanderthalic."
Doesn't know how to use grade-school grammar.The quote says you must be the authorized user of the credit card you use to pay for the subscripton.
It does not say you have to be the person who will be using that subscription
Gosh, and if you actually did what I said and Googled "authorized user" you'd find out that an authorized user must be a CARDHOLDER on the account. Someone your company approves to use the card, like your irrelevant example of children. Other examples might be a spouse, elderly parent, etc. It would not include your friend who has no relationship with you or your credit service. So if you and/or your friend try to set up his account with your card, you've violated the ToS and (based on every credit agreement I've ever seen, which is more than the zero Captain Grammar up there has) it also violates the credit card agreement.
But you know, keep grasping at those straws and/or insulting me for turning the tables on you and your "OMG FRIGGIN READ THE EULA DUMMIES" rhetoric.Edited by cheeser123 on April 9, 2014 9:30AM0