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High Elf Spellcharge Passive Apply to Lighting Staff Heavy Attack?
Lord_Eomer
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Have anyone tested if Spellcharge passive effects Lighting Staff Heavy Attack?
Spellcharge: Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.
Spellcharge: Reduces damage taken by 5% while you are using an ability with a cast or channel time.
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »
Yes, it applies to heavy attacks (all of them).
And yes, Altmer is the BiS race for Pet Sorcs.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -5 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cast time and channels. Includes FAR more than most players are willing to admit.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?1 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
All magicka characters benefitted greatly from Dunmer racials, not only DKs. Dunmers are stronger than Altmers on live in terms of DPS.1 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
All magicka characters benefitted greatly from Dunmer racials, not only DKs. Dunmers are stronger than Altmers on live in terms of DPS.
Not really Dunmer outperform Altmer in PVE DPS, difference is minor but Altmer win by numbers.0 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
Do we know if the percentages from Cyrodiil's Light and the new Altmer passive stack additively or multiplicatively? Just wondering if it will in fact be 20%.0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
Do we know if the percentages from Cyrodiil's Light and the new Altmer passive stack additively or multiplicatively? Just wondering if it will in fact be 20%.
all mitigation is multiplicative...Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
Do we know if the percentages from Cyrodiil's Light and the new Altmer passive stack additively or multiplicatively? Just wondering if it will in fact be 20%.
all mitigation is multiplicative...
So it will probably be less than 20%?0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
All magicka characters benefitted greatly from Dunmer racials, not only DKs. Dunmers are stronger than Altmers on live in terms of DPS.
Not really Dunmer outperform Altmer in PVE DPS, difference is minor but Altmer win by numbers.
What is this sentence trying to say?2 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
It's absolutely a problem when a passive only benefits one class.
Dunmer passives benefited everyone. You'll need to explain to me how +7% fire damage and +2079 flame resistance only benefited DKs and vampires. There is a reason why Dunmer were BiS for every class.
On the other hand, templar is literally the only class that uses channeled abilities right now. That means the spell recharge passive is objectively 100% useless on other classes.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 21, 2019 6:12PM0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
Do we know if the percentages from Cyrodiil's Light and the new Altmer passive stack additively or multiplicatively? Just wondering if it will in fact be 20%.
all mitigation is multiplicative...
So it will probably be less than 20%?
well a 10k attack hits you. You have enough armor, after penetration to get 10% mitigation, have cyro light and this passive.
10k * 0.90 * 0.85 * 0.95 = 7267.5.
Really doesnt matter what each value is mitigating because the equation doesnt really care what placement each mitigation occurs. Even if you throw high elf passive first, your total mitigation will not have changed.
Compared to a non-race:
10k * 0.9* 0.85 = 7650 dmg hit
383 dmg difference. But this example also doesnt take into account block, CP mitigation, protection/maim, crits, etc. Dmg reduced is still dmg reduced, and whatever amount helps keep you away from execute range without dropping a 5pc set is always good.
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✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
It's absolutely a problem when a passive only benefits one class.
Dunmer passives benefited everyone. Some more than others, but ultimately, everyone benefited (there is a reason why Dunmer were BiS for every class). Literally the only class that uses channeled abilities right now is Templar. That means the passive is actually 100% useless on other classes.
I believe the passive says both cast time and channel. Every class has access to skills that have cast times or channels (because if it's not in class then Psijic Order skill line at least has some). Templar is most obvious, though, and stands to benefit the most.1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
It's absolutely a problem when a passive only benefits one class.
Dunmer passives benefited everyone. Some more than others, but ultimately, everyone benefited (there is a reason why Dunmer were BiS for every class). Literally the only class that uses channeled abilities right now is Templar. That means the passive is actually 100% useless on other classes.
I believe the passive says both cast time and channel. Every class has access to skills that have cast times or channels (because if it's not in class then Psijic Order skill line at least has some). Templar is most obvious, though, and stands to benefit the most.
5% damage reduction for a half second cast on an occasional cast is still completely useless. The only class that will benefit from this in any noticeable capacity is templar.
On my magden, I have a 0.5 second cast time on blue betty, which I re-cast every 24 seconds. That means in a 5 minute fight, I would receive 6 seconds of 5% damage mitigation in total. That is the literal definition of useless.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 21, 2019 6:16PM2 -
BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
It's absolutely a problem when a passive only benefits one class.
Dunmer passives benefited everyone. You'll need to explain to me how +7% fire damage and +2079 flame resistance only benefited DKs and vampires. There is a reason why Dunmer were BiS for every class.
On the other hand, templar is literally the only class that uses channeled abilities right now. That means the spell recharge passive is objectively 100% useless on other classes.
7% extra fire damage is a lot now let’s take into account the destro staff passives yes a solo parse on a dk or a flame staff user will be higher with the additional 8% single target damage then say someone using a lightning staff that has 8% increased aoe damage. Now let’s factor in multiple enemies are you gonna use single target or aoe skills? Example hrc final boss if your only using single target skills you areeffecting your entire groups dps but hey you get 7% fire damage plus 8% single target damage so that’s better right?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
It's absolutely a problem when a passive only benefits one class.
Dunmer passives benefited everyone. Some more than others, but ultimately, everyone benefited (there is a reason why Dunmer were BiS for every class). Literally the only class that uses channeled abilities right now is Templar. That means the passive is actually 100% useless on other classes.
I believe the passive says both cast time and channel. Every class has access to skills that have cast times or channels (because if it's not in class then Psijic Order skill line at least has some). Templar is most obvious, though, and stands to benefit the most.
5% damage reduction for a half second cast on an occasional cast is still completely useless. The only class that will benefit from this in any noticeable capacity is templar.
On my magden, I have a 0.5 second cast time on blue betty, which I re-cast every 24 seconds. That means in a 5 minute fight, I would receive 6 seconds of 5% damage mitigation in total. That is the literal definition of useless.
heavy attacks are like 1.5 to 2.3 second cast times with shock coming out at 2 seconds...Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
It's absolutely a problem when a passive only benefits one class.
Dunmer passives benefited everyone. You'll need to explain to me how +7% fire damage and +2079 flame resistance only benefited DKs and vampires. There is a reason why Dunmer were BiS for every class.
On the other hand, templar is literally the only class that uses channeled abilities right now. That means the spell recharge passive is objectively 100% useless on other classes.
7% extra fire damage is a lot now let’s take into account the destro staff passives yes a solo parse on a dk or a flame staff user will be higher with the additional 8% single target damage then say someone using a lightning staff that has 8% increased aoe damage. Now let’s factor in multiple enemies are you gonna use single target or aoe skills? Example hrc final boss if your only using single target skills you areeffecting your entire groups dps but hey you get 7% fire damage plus 8% single target damage so that’s better right?
What? 7% fire damage will always give you more DPS when you are using a flame staff (which you are in the current meta).Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 21, 2019 6:25PM0 -
BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭7% flame damage will only give u more dps if the skill deals flame damage. That only applies to a handful of Templar skills, dks, and destro staff skills with a flame staff equipped.1
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Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
It's absolutely a problem when a passive only benefits one class.
Dunmer passives benefited everyone. You'll need to explain to me how +7% fire damage and +2079 flame resistance only benefited DKs and vampires. There is a reason why Dunmer were BiS for every class.
On the other hand, templar is literally the only class that uses channeled abilities right now. That means the spell recharge passive is objectively 100% useless on other classes.
Every class can use heavy attacks, and has access to channeled or casted abilities. Templar just uses more than other classes. So, literally no.3 -
Rehdaun✭✭✭✭✭Every class can use heavy attacks, and has access to channeled or casted abilities. Templar just uses more than other classes. So, literally no.
In a typical pve boss fight how many heavy attacks and how many channeled attacks does my mNB make? Zero. That's right zero. I think the same can be said for every other class besides Templars who use the puncturing strikes skill and some non-pet Sorc's that must use HA's for sustain. Even with Sorcs, the HA's represent a very small percent of the rotation.
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DarkPicture✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »My altmer templar using cyrodiil's light will have 20% damage reduction while jabbing, channeling execute, and casting heavy attacks.
I think templars will love the racial but a lot of players just think it's unfair that one class benefits so greatly from it.
I dont see the problem. Vampires benefited greatly from dunmer fire resists, and DKs benefitted greatly from dunmer fire damage. So why is it so horrible that mag templars get a good minor racial?
It's absolutely a problem when a passive only benefits one class.
Dunmer passives benefited everyone. You'll need to explain to me how +7% fire damage and +2079 flame resistance only benefited DKs and vampires. There is a reason why Dunmer were BiS for every class.
On the other hand, templar is literally the only class that uses channeled abilities right now. That means the spell recharge passive is objectively 100% useless on other classes.
Every class can use heavy attacks, and has access to channeled or casted abilities. Templar just uses more than other classes. So, literally no.
I have all classes and on bars i dont have any cast ability only acceleration. If u are not templar is useless and stop staying ***, having a casting/channeled ability in trees class doesnt mean u are using them.
And propably u dont know, but trying to get better sustain it means u want to avoid as many HA as u can so another bad argument.Edited by DarkPicture on February 26, 2019 4:14PM1