idk wrote: »

Rungar wrote: »

there is no one against defensive animation cancelling which consists of block and dodge roll. Its an integral part of the game and is what makes the game feel fast and responsive. No ones against ultimate because it cant be used every 0.5 seconds.

light attack spam which is offensive clockwork animation cancelling, which has the capacity and more importantly perception for macroing, comes across as buttonmashing , is what most dont like.

it is important not to confuse these as they are completely separate.

Once again you are inaccurate to even suggest one is separate from the other if you actually understand the system. I pointed this out above and to say the same thing with different words as I quoted here is still just as inaccurate.

I am not going to continue this silly argument as it is clear to anyone who understands the design that you are wrong. Good day.

Edit, that you are wrong the two are separate.

Okay, no. You're full of crap, and I'm calling you out on it. You're trying to talk from a position of authority, but you obviously have only the slightest idea of what you're talking about. I would have no problem with that if you had remained respectful with the person you were debating with, but instead you attempt to use your nonexistent expertise on the subject to belittle them and try to pull the rug out from under their argument.

I actually do have substantial experience in software development and some experience in game design, and I can tell you with certainty that not only is it possible to change ESO's animation canceling to only allow what Rungar describes as defensive canceling, but that the effort required would be near inconsequential.

Here's an example of how it could be done, depending on the specifics of how ESO is programmed:

There are already skills that cannot be canceled into one another (the skillbar abilities). The logic for disallowing these abilities to animation cancel into one another is already built into the function of the GCD. All you would need to do is add Light Attack, Heavy Attack, and Bash to the game as that class (literally, the programmatic "Class") of ability, and point the current keybinds for Light Attack, Heavy Attack, and Bash at the new version of those abilities instead of the current versions. The GCD ruleset would handle the rest, no longer allowing them to animation cancel with one another nor with skillbar abilities while still allowing defensive canceling through dodging and blocking.

Of course, the above makes a few assumptions about the exact mechanisms of how ESO is programmed. It could differ slightly, but it would not change what would need to be done to only allow defensive canceling by anything more than the minor details; the essence would remain the same, as the following are definitely true and prove the possibility of the change:

1. The logic for disallowing abilities to animation cancel is already built into the game.
2. The logic allowing you to use LA/HA and Bash alongside an ability every GCD is already built into the game.
3. LA/HA are essentially 0-cost abilities that provide a buff/resource gain on use.
4. Bash is essentially an ability that inflicts the target with a channeling interrupt.

The four above facts in tandem prove that tying LA/HA and Bash to the same GCD rules that skillbar abilities are tied to is possible, because the ruleset exists and LA/HA and Bash are all effectively compatible with the skillbar ability class. And since nothing would change with Dodge/Block, the ability to defensive cancel would remain exactly the same.

I mean, heck, it could even be as simple as setting a flag for LA/HA and Bash. The quote-formatted example I gave above actually assumes that ESO is programmed in one of the most inefficient ways it could possibly be done (without being an incomprehensible mess). It's most likely even simpler than that.

I'll wrap this up with a nice little quote that describes your posts on this matter perfectly:

idk wrote: »

it is clear to anyone who understands the design that you are wrong. Good day.

AC isn’t going anywhere...as they couldn’t fix it when it originally became obvious people were using it...so ZOS just decided that if you can’t beat em join em...and it became a “feature”.

So any discussion about “removing” it is rather pointless...

If you do a simple forum search, you will see ENDLESS other posts about this exact thing. It's a dead horse that has already been CONFIRMED by zos to be an integral part of the game play. Don't believe me? Read the TIPS on your load screens, they literally tell you to animation cancel your light attack with an ability.

If there was no animation canceling the gap between good and bad players would decrease a lot. Also game would be slow af

Once I learned how to effectivley animation cancel, I never went back to the old ways.

Didn't read the whole answer lol. You can do a lot of stuff without macro. Like teleport strike + LA + Ult + Execute in a moment.
On the other hand I prefer games where you commit to your attacks, like dark souls, hell, even Skyrim.

The entitlement among some players is frankly obnoxious. If you find yourself in the lowest common denominator of players who can’t perform a core game mechanic, the onus is on you to improve and raise to the bar....not drag the entire game down to your level.

For the record this entire discussion is pointless because ZOS has already done a pass on cancelling and given the mechanic their blessing. Learn to either play the game properly, or refuse to do so and accept lower performance.

I choose other.

If it was equal across all classes and weapons then keep it but on my 2H Imperial I tend to do it by accident and all it results in is an awkward swing. It is almost like he changes his mind in mid swing and waists two or three seconds flailing about and doesn't hit a thing or do any damage.

If it was intended and not a bug it would always result in increased damage and not something that just looks like bad animation.