Not only for dps, but can you imagine the combat if you couldn't get out of an animation to block or roll dodge? No thanks.

I enjoy it, and I'm far from perfect at it. It makes combat feel much more dynamic imo.

If they ever remove animation cancelling I will stop playing the game. The combat system is one of the best things that ESO has to offer, it's fast-paced, having a good reaction will reward you, not being able to read the enemy and predict his burst combo will kill you. Basically "get good or die more often", seems fair to me.

People looking to slow down combat can go play turn-based strategy games.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Hey,
I noticed that ppl are apparently still against animation cancelling. This really surprises me, since the system has been in the game for years now. And it's really easy to learn (especially LA weaves and even bash cancelling isn't very hard).

So yeah just curious why people are still opposed to anim cancelling and how many there are who share that opinion.

Personally I support cancelling ofc and since the "macro" argument is hilarious and can easily be debunked, I'd really like to hear a valid reason against animation cancelling.

Let me bookmark this so I can come back to read all the comments by players claiming this feature is exploiting and giggle like a 12 year old.

It makes the combat ugly.
Zos should include the light attack damage as a default when you use a skill which is not block casted and you are in the range for your weapon.

Bashev wrote: »

It makes the combat ugly.
Zos should include the light attack damage as a default when you use a skill which is not block casted and you are in the range for your weapon.

That's a terrible idea.
Why play the game? Just set your controller down and the game can do a light attack and a skill for you.

Taking away weaving would kill this game. Weaving and animation cancelling is a skill. Not an exploit.

Learn to do it and it pays off with higher dps and rewarding competition. Or refuse to learn and complain about your low dps and being killed in pvp on the forums.

Good luck trying to beat VMA, HM trials and dungeons without animation cancelling. Good luck passing any of the dps checks in the game.

ZOS balances content with the assumption we're animation cancelling. They've done that for years. They'll never remove it (they can't) and everything has been scaled to assume it's being used.
TL:DR
L2P.

If you wanted real discourse, you'd have not baked in obviously false absolutes into the option you disagree with while granting the option you do agree with a softer, more positive tone. Your poll is a farce, which means you're only really looking for validation and support of your own viewpoint. But I'll bite, anyway.

I'd like to mention that, for as much as there is little reason to not have animation canceling, there is as much a lack of reason to have it.

Typically, my argument against animation canceling is that it cheapens the entire point of animations. Animations in games give visual representation to actions taken. When an animation, and thus seemingly the action in its whole, is cut off, but the effect of the action still plays out as though it were uninterrupted, it breaks a very fundamental immersion. It makes it feel like cause and effect - that the action causes the result - does not apply to the game world, or worse, only applies to the game world in some arbitrary cases, making it feel foreign and unrelatable. When an ability is used to cause damage, but the ability is visually cut off but mechanically completes and the damage is dealt, there's this disconnect between what you see and what happens. And it's that disconnect I don't like.

So, it's not the mechanics of animation canceling that I dislike. If animations could be changed in such a way to where you could have the same gameplay mechanics of animation canceling without the interrupted animations, then I'd be perfectly okay with them. It is primarily that it FEELS wrong (due to that disconnect) that drives me to hate it.

In most games where animation canceling is present, there is also a selection of gameplay related issues that almost always arise. For example, in many games, certain skills can only be animation canceled with certain other skills. This is a problem because it grants that specific combo of abilities a huge boon, given that other skills would take longer to get off to achieve a similar result. If Ability A animation cancels ONLY into Ability C well, then why would anyone ever use Ability B, D, E, or F directly after A? Ability C becomes the only ability ever worth using after Ability A, or is otherwise balanced for it's ability to animation cancel by having its effect reduced and is useless when NOT used to animation cancel out of Ability A.

ESO does a good job minimizing the impact of this issue, however. With it's very unique GCD system; in which you can use an ability, light attack, AND bash once each in every GCD; there's never a point where you're forced to chain two specific abilities together to be effective. Instead, you have the ability to light attack and the option to bash alongside every single ability use. In ESO, animation canceling doesn't cause the game mechanics to suffer dramatically. It's very cleverly done in that regard.

Though even if animation canceling fares well mechanically in ESO, it still suffers that visual-effect disconnect, and so I dislike it and do not think it should be part of the game.

I've never learned how to cancel animations from others, but I guess that I am doing it for a long time in situations like when I cast endless hail and roll dodge, without even seeing how my char shoots arrows. It is like you are shooting arrows but also cleaving with swords at the same time which is ridiculous, but it is the way the game is played. I don't see how it would work if you would not be able to cancel animations. It will be like watching someone playing instead of you. I like animations, but they are great for single player games, not mmo's.

would animation canceling being removed (which I acknowledge wont happen) make the game better or worse?

the answer is neither

what it would simply do is make the game different

traditionally a longer animation or cast time was associated with an increase in an actions effect, they lasted longer or did more damage

canceling out of any such action logically should of resulted in either a failed action/no effect or a reduced action/effect

Didn't vote because the poll is useless. However, is it too farfetched to imagine that the bulk of lag in the game could be solved by not allowing animation canceling? I think the combat being modified a tad too fast-paced due to animation cancels could be a likely culprit responsible for game/server lag/dropped frames/crashes...just spit-ballin here.

As others have pointed out, your poll is flagrantly biased. If you really want an open and positive dialogue from people on why they are against AC, can I suggest you dismount before typing.

Played a lot of DC online in the past so I'm used to it as a technique. With the skillset of the char I'm currently playing I mainly use it for hail/caltrops anyway. Gives me that extra bit of time to close the gap.

To me, it feels like a broken mechanic and an exploit that has become accepted.

some skilled players can pull off riddiculous bursts because of this but only problem with this for me is that game was never properly balanced around this 'feature', skills that can't be weaved/cancelled properly should see increase in values to offset this(e.g. channel skills), also all animations should be sped up so they are visible more often.
it's riddiculous how you have to cancel some deliberately long animations just for them to be usefull.

Biased pool though... I would really want to see them doing something about this, but I guess it is a mistake they did like 4 years ago, and now it is too late to fix it, as a flawed mechanic has become the main mechanic... (funny because like 3 months ago I would totally vote "yes").

Look a Dark Souls game series for example. There, there is also something like "animation cancelling", but it is mostly regarded as a exploit/cheat, especially in Dark Souls PvP.

Given they are going to be adding this.

Added a Loading Screen Tip: "Once you've begun a light attack, you can immediately activate an ability from your skill bar without interrupting that light attack."

I think they support the feature. Given they are going to give a tip in how to do it.with light attacks. Wiether you like it or not its basically a feature even if at first it was unintended. Its a Intended feature now.
Had they fixed it when it was discovered I think it wouldn't be so much of an issue, but since so many use this for dps.
Its more or less become a feature. I think its the reason why they added those stupid block shield indicators that gives that ugly gold shield floaty thing. So Zenimax clearly is okay with it, enough to put it into the game with a load screen tip. I don't think we will see its removal. I might start using it because I don't really use it. If it helps with pvp and pve. Its up to the player really if they use it or they don't use it.

Now that they add a tip, I think people that don't use it might start using it.