[Eidetic Memory] Can't access a book after quest completion

derpzort · April 2017

Not sure how to resolve this. During Blindsided quest the enemy camp in Eastmarch is hostile and you can walk into the barracks where the "ORDERS TO HALSKAR" book is. I completed the quest as normal but didn't read the note and can't get into the barracks now. There's no prompt to enter the building and the camp is friendly.

Is this book lost to my character? Normally you can find a book outside of an unobtainable area or back in a guild hall but on this one.

Shadowshire · April 2017

derpzort wrote: »

Not sure how to resolve this. During Blindsided quest the enemy camp in Eastmarch is hostile and you can walk into the barracks where the "ORDERS TO HALSKAR" book is. I completed the quest as normal but didn't read the note and can't get into the barracks now. There's no prompt to enter the building and the camp is friendly.

Is this book lost to my character? Normally you can find a book outside of an unobtainable area or back in a guild hall but on this one.

First, if you are using the Lorebooks add-on, then put the mouse cursor on the symbol for the book and it will disclose the quest, if any, with which it is associated.

Also, on the Journal UI, use the feature to access the Libraries. Then enter the lore book's title in the search feature field to find the description for it. If the entry says "associated with a quest" (it also discloses the name of the quest), then the lore book will become available only if and when a PC undertakes that quest.

That said, usually a PC can return to the location of any lore book and read it, regardless of whether the PC read it during an associated quest. However, there are several lore books in locations throughout Tamriel which become inaccessible after the PC accepts the reward for the associated quest. Apparently, you have discovered one of them. :-(

Another such lore book is associated with a quest in Arenthia, which is located in the northeastern part of Reaper's March (Aldmeri Dominion). The lore book is in a building in a district of the city which a PC cannot access after accepting the reward for the quest.

On the face of it, in the vast majority of quests where this occurs, there is no evident reason for the location of the lore book to become inaccessible after the associated quest ends. Also, I've never found, or been apprised of, a quest which it was possible to repeat in order to gain access to the lore book.

So, evidently this situation is an oversight in the design and/or implementation of the associated quest in the software.

Also note that Eidetic Memory lore books do not appear on the Map unless and until the player enables the Eidetic Memory filter on the Map UI (for each respective PC). But the Eidetic Memory filter pin does not take effect unless and until the PC has completed the Mages Guild quest and received the reward of eidetic memory.

Regardless, of course a PC can still search for and find Shalidor's Library lore books and Eidteic Memory documents, respectively, during the course of play. When the Eidetic filter is enabled, it reveals all of the documents which the player overlooked during play, before their PC completed the Mages Guild quest and since. What a nice surprise!

derpzort · April 2017

I'm a new player to ESO so I guess good follow-up questions are: is this considered an issue to ZMO? do they correct these over time?

I know Eidetic Memory is not an achievement and most don't care much, but to completionists it's disheartening to know you might never be able to get that book if ZMO doesn't see it as an issue. This one quest taking place in Eastmarch tells me it's been in the game for a while now, but it's still not "fixed".

Enodoc · April 2017

derpzort wrote: »

I'm a new player to ESO so I guess good follow-up questions are: is this considered an issue to ZMO? do they correct these over time?

Yes, they do. Every Eidetic Memory book that is associated with a quest and ends up getting locked behind a quest door should be available somewhere else once the quest is complete. This is usually either outside the locked location, or near the quest turn-in NPC. If it's not there, that's a bug that can be reported.

Shadowshire · April 2017

Enodoc wrote: »

derpzort wrote: »

I'm a new player to ESO so I guess good follow-up questions are: is this considered an issue to ZMO? do they correct these over time?

Yes, they do. Every Eidetic Memory book that is associated with a quest and ends up getting locked behind a quest door should be available somewhere else once the quest is complete. This is usually either outside the locked location, or near the quest turn-in NPC. If it's not there, that's a bug that can be reported.

@Enodoc : Do you have any examples of this?

So far, I have yet to see a lore book (that becomes inaccessible after a quest ends) appear in any other location afterward. All I find are ones that remain inaccessible, when I check from time-to-time. Also, I've been replaying the main quest lines for the AD on an alt. Sometimes a lore book appears on the Map with an Eidetic filter pin that I did not find before, only to discover that it is inaccessible, and a few do not exist where the Map pin shows them to be, if they exist at all.

For example, there is a very long list of documents associated with the Marbruk (Greenshade) quest "The Artisan", at least some of which are located behind a locked gate inside the bank. Apparently, at some point in the quest, the PC should be given a key to unlock the gate, but that never happens. I could not find any of them anywhere else either during the quest or afterward. Some on the list associated with the quest simply aren't shown by a Map pin, if they exist at all. I've reported this bug in-game recently, but the first time that I reported this same bug in-game was several months ago.

In my humble opinion, ZOS will not correct more than a few flaws that currently exist in the base game and DLCs while they work on the Morrowind expansion. After they release that, then they have very little incentive to repair any flaws in the base game or the DLCs, regardless of whether Morrowind is a financial success. They'll be working on their next project in the pipeline instead -- unless and until their revenue stream dies because the accumulation of flaws increasingly renders the game unplayable. You know what will happen then, right?

derpzort · April 2017

@Shadowshire @Enodoc

Came across a new annoying part in this unobtainable Eidetic Memory items. Sometimes you can loot quest items that go into your inventory that are read-able and count to Eidetic Memory, but your character does not read them when picking them up (think looting a journal from a boss). So they're inventory books, not world books.

So you turn in the quest without reading the quest item, and without realizing it lose out on that eidetic memory entry because the quest item is no longer in your inventory and the quest is done forever on that character. These are not locked behind any doors really, but still not obtainable. I don't think I've ever seen these inventory quest books remade as world books sitting near the quest turn-in NPCs or anything. I wonder how many quest item entries I've missed now just because I paid no attention to the quest item tab in my inventory.

A good example is Agolas's Journal in Wrothgar. The quest giver is literally the journal and you loot it, but after turning in the quest (One Ugly Mug) they journal is gone from the world and you can't unlock that memory entry. A copy of the book is nowhere to be found now. It's just mildly infuriating that Orsinium has been in the ESO for 1.5 years now and this is still an issue.

Shadowshire · April 2017

derpzort wrote: »

@Shadowshire @Enodoc

Came across a new annoying part in this unobtainable Eidetic Memory items. Sometimes you can loot quest items that go into your inventory that are read-able and count to Eidetic Memory, but your character does not read them when picking them up (think looting a journal from a boss). So they're inventory books, not world books.

So you turn in the quest without reading the quest item, and without realizing it lose out on that eidetic memory entry because the quest item is no longer in your inventory and the quest is done forever on that character. These are not locked behind any doors really, but still not obtainable. I don't think I've ever seen these inventory quest books remade as world books sitting near the quest turn-in NPCs or anything. I wonder how many quest item entries I've missed now just because I paid no attention to the quest item tab in my inventory.

A good example is Agolas's Journal in Wrothgar. The quest giver is literally the journal and you loot it, but after turning in the quest (One Ugly Mug) they journal is gone from the world and you can't unlock that memory entry. A copy of the book is nowhere to be found now. It's just mildly infuriating that Orsinium has been in the ESO for 1.5 years now and this is still an issue.

For what it is worth, I cannot recall any specific document which one of my PCs obtained as a quest item, that I have subsequently found among those in the Eidetic Memory Library. Currently, one of my PCs has the quest "One Ugly Mug" that he has not submitted yet for the reward, so perhaps Agolas's Journal is still among the quest items in his bags. (I've made a note to check.

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So, now I wonder -- as you do -- whether I've "missed" any eidetic memory documents acquired as quest items because my PC did not "read" them. When a document per se begins a quest, the PC usually does "read" it, or at least examine it, in the context of the dialog that ensues after the player uses the Interactive Prompt to acquire the document. However, some documents which a PC must obtain during a quest are simply acquired by using the Interactive Prompt, much like gathering herbs, wood, or ore. Occasionally, an NPC gives a document to the PC (usually during a dialog), and it is automagically stored in the bags.

Regardless, I have read many documents acquired as quest items, and I cannot recall any time that the "Lore Book" announcement has been displayed when my PC has "read" one. For some quests, vital information is recorded in the document(s) stored as a quest item, so it is a good habit to examine them (as well as other quest items) after they are acquired. I'm looking forward to what Enodoc has to say about this issue.

derpzort · April 2017

Shadowshire wrote: »

@Shadowshire @Enodoc
Regardless, I have read many documents acquired as quest items, and I cannot recall any time that the "Lore Book" announcement has been displayed when my PC has "read" one. For some quests, vital information is recorded in the document(s) stored as a quest item, so it is a good habit to examine them (as well as other quest items) after they are acquired. I'm looking forward to what Enodoc has to say about this issue.

For what it's worth I tested Agolas's Journal on an alt just recently (easy to beeline to Wrothgar with the invite cart and start it). Interacted with the journal to start the quest, but it only did the "lore book discovery" text when I read the book from the quest items inventory. I can confirm my alt has the eidetic entry and my main character without the memory did the whole quest and cannot access this eidetic memory book at any location, not quest start nor turn in nor location, nor along my journeys throughout Wrothgar.

Either ZMO does not consider this stuff an issue, or they do and just really suck at correcting it for so long. I almost want a mod that hides eidetic tab altogether if ZMO is going to treat it as a one-time thing or a novelty. Weird things like this killed things like wildstar and other mmos for me in the past.

Artemiisia · April 2017

im at around 2900 books, and I have seen lots in the past couple of weeks where books that was looked behind quest content thankfully is now accessible close to the place normally.

There are however some I haven't been able to get my hand on yet, but ill make a thread with those, once im closer to the having 3174 books

AbbieGoth · April 2017

There is an official Eidetic Memory Bug Megathread already, which can be found HERE. Look through the Google Doc to see if your missing books have been found or are in fact still bugged!

Shadowshire · April 2017

derpzort wrote: »

For what it's worth I tested Agolas's Journal on an alt just recently (easy to beeline to Wrothgar with the invite cart and start it). Interacted with the journal to start the quest, but it only did the "lore book discovery" text when I read the book from the quest items inventory. I can confirm my alt has the eidetic entry and my main character without the memory did the whole quest and cannot access this eidetic memory book at any location, not quest start nor turn in nor location, nor along my journeys throughout Wrothgar.

Thank-you for sharing that information.

UPDATE: As I mentioned previously, one of my alts has the quest "One Ugly Mug" that he has almost completed. "Agolass's Journal" is still with other quest items in his bags. I "used" the journal and the game client displayed the text, then announced that it was a Lore Book -- to my surprise! Whether this has ever happened before with another quest item, I cannot recall, but if it ever did, then it was almost certainly well over a year ago and it has not been a commonplace event.

derpzort wrote: »

Either ZMO does not consider this stuff an issue, or they do and just really suck at correcting it for so long. I almost want a mod that hides eidetic tab altogether if ZMO is going to treat it as a one-time thing or a novelty. Weird things like this killed things like wildstar and other mmos for me in the past.

Yeah, some players who began when the ESO beta went online have told me that the Lore Books feature was really a mess in the beginning, and many traces of the chaos still remain. Occasionally, they have corrected some problems that I've reported, for example, when one was under the corner of a crate and the Interactive Prompt for the document was greyed. Whether ZOS has continued or will resume remedying the errors we discover and report is unclear.

Collecting Lore Books and Eidetic documents is a popular past-time for many ESO players. Finding them, and reading them when time and circumstance permit, adds "culture" to the world of Tamriel and contributes to an "immersive" experience of playing the game. The literacy of its inhabitants is often interesting, enlightening, and entertaining.

However, if you want to remove the eidetic document pins from the Map, then access the Map UI and select the "filters" icon in the heading to the right of the map to display a list of filters. Remove the checkmark(s) for the Eidetic documents filter. No add-on needed. (Note: as far as I know, the Map always displays pins for Shalidor's Library lore books.)

If memory serves (sometimes the service hasn't been very good recently), the Lorebooks add-on changes the native Lore Book tool-tip on the Map UI to include information about the lore book or the eidetic document which the native tool-tip does not display. Instead, the player would have to search for the Lore Book or eidetic document in the respective library to find it and obtain the same data.

Jazby · April 2017

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, they do. Every Eidetic Memory book that is associated with a quest and ends up getting locked behind a quest door should be available somewhere else once the quest is complete. This is usually either outside the locked location, or near the quest turn-in NPC. If it's not there, that's a bug that can be reported.

Regarding to the books you can´t access after certain questlines.. "A Plea For Help" by Darien Gautier in the Temple of Ire library in Orsinium. I have tried everything, searched for every possible solution, yet nothing found.

So is there anything that could help with the issue with Darien Gautier´s "A Plea For Help"? The book/letter is supposed to be at the Temple of Ire library in Orsinium - but only during the quests for the orc King! If you have completed all temple -related quests (as I have), there is no more access to the library. No more access to the letter.

Anything that could help? Could the letter be moved (or perhaps it will be moved) elsewhere? Anything, any bits of information would enormously help as my characher (and most definitely I as well) is missing Darien greatly *sobs*

Edt: This also means I can´t trigger Gabrielle to tell me where to search for Darien (as I have no information of his letter), and at the moment she just keeps searching for the information, or (if I travel to Hollow City) sobs by the dead king Laloriaran Dynar. Nothing I can do. I really really would love to complete that, as well

Ilsabet · May 2017

BlackPearlII wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, they do. Every Eidetic Memory book that is associated with a quest and ends up getting locked behind a quest door should be available somewhere else once the quest is complete. This is usually either outside the locked location, or near the quest turn-in NPC. If it's not there, that's a bug that can be reported.

Regarding to the books you can´t access after certain questlines.. "A Plea For Help" by Darien Gautier in the Temple of Ire library in Orsinium. I have tried everything, searched for every possible solution, yet nothing found.

So is there anything that could help with the issue with Darien Gautier´s "A Plea For Help"? The book/letter is supposed to be at the Temple of Ire library in Orsinium - but only during the quests for the orc King! If you have completed all temple -related quests (as I have), there is no more access to the library. No more access to the letter.

Anything that could help? Could the letter be moved (or perhaps it will be moved) elsewhere? Anything, any bits of information would enormously help as my characher (and most definitely I as well) is missing Darien greatly *sobs*

Edt: This also means I can´t trigger Gabrielle to tell me where to search for Darien (as I have no information of his letter), and at the moment she just keeps searching for the information, or (if I travel to Hollow City) sobs by the dead king Laloriaran Dynar. Nothing I can do. I really really would love to complete that, as well

I need to revisit this thread to plead for this door to be opened or the missive within to be made available after finishing the Wrothgar storyline. For personal reasons elaborated upon in a certain fanfic thread, I've been looking forward to the moment of reading that letter in-character for like a year now. I didn't really want to do it while I was preoccupied with the already swirling emotions of the questline, so I didn't nose around too much while I was in there trying to solve puzzles. But it'd be reeeeeaaaal nice if I could wander in and discover that letter and not have to retcon that moment after Googling a screenshot somewhere.

*goes to retcon moment after Googling screenshot*

Spoiler-marked if necessary, could someone tell me what bookshelf that letter was on? (I'm guessing "Miscellaneous" buuuut I can't check now.) And as the person above me said, are the dialogue options for Gabrielle in the Gold Coast actually gimped if your character hasn't read and registered the letter?

Pasha_Redrobe · February 2019

orders to halskar, please fix it

Ilsabet · February 2019

Ilsabet wrote: »

[wall of angst and unanswered questions]

*hugs past Ilsabet*

It all worked out okay in the end.