Werewolf and Warden Buffs
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I've seen a number of posts regarding higher dps with pet sorcs, in particular with Maw of the Infernal due to the new pet scaling. Has anyone more number savy than I confirmed if werewolf dps has changed significantly with the pet changes? Or stam/mag Warden for that matter.
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alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭I've seen a number of posts regarding higher dps with pet sorcs, in particular with Maw of the Infernal due to the new pet scaling. Has anyone more number savy than I confirmed if werewolf dps has changed significantly with the pet changes? Or stam/mag Warden for that matter.
Consider that the pet for Warden is just the bear I doubt it will make that large of a difference at this point. The Betty is the only other pet that not an "attack".0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Magden DPS is still ***.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 20, 2019 2:49AM2 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?0 -
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✭✭✭alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
It mostly synergizes with frost damage and you are more than welcome to run a Frost stave in PVE as a DD if you want to because a complete endgame pariah.0331
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✭✭✭✭✭alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
1. Not enough DPS skills (only 4 to choose from)
2. The class was designed around frost damage, but ZOS made frost a tanking element
3. No utility when you play DD (all their DPS skills only deal damage, they have no secondary effects)\
Magicka warden is by far the weakest DPS class in the game.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 20, 2019 3:16AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
It mostly synergizes with frost damage and you are more than welcome to run a Frost stave in PVE as a DD if you want to because a complete endgame pariah.
It only does 6% more frost damage and has a bit more chilled proc chance on winter's embrace skills which was indirectly nerfed with blast's destruction. It mostly synergises with magic because it does increased magic damage and its animal companions passives (only magic damage) give it many more effects like a heal, ulti gen, regen while slotted AND more damage. If it had more synergy with frost that'd be great. But its not very synergised. Endgame pariah is absolutely correct though. We need more magden dps skills and winter's embrace is right there just waiting for reworks to its underpowered and underperforming morphs. Ffs people want cryomancers that can dps and magden needs more damage skills. WHAT is zos's problem with frost?
They broke their "frost is a strictly a tanking element" rule already. Frost dps skills on magden is beneficial. And no. Im not asking for more snares and soft cc. I'm talking damage abilities that help us with our(magden) specific group utility and give us a unique damage synergy.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on February 20, 2019 4:32AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX
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alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
1. Not enough DPS skills (only 4 to choose from)
2. The class was designed around frost damage, but ZOS made frost a tanking element
3. No utility when you play DD (all their DPS skills only deal damage, they have no secondary effects)\
Magicka warden is by far the weakest DPS class in the game.usmcjdking wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
It mostly synergizes with frost damage and you are more than welcome to run a Frost stave in PVE as a DD if you want to because a complete endgame pariah.
There are so inherently tank though. However after more pvp today i noticed that it seems like dps wise you cant seem to hit hard enough to kill anyone with any real kinda sustain2 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
1. Not enough DPS skills (only 4 to choose from)
2. The class was designed around frost damage, but ZOS made frost a tanking element
3. No utility when you play DD (all their DPS skills only deal damage, they have no secondary effects)\
Magicka warden is by far the weakest DPS class in the game.usmcjdking wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
It mostly synergizes with frost damage and you are more than welcome to run a Frost stave in PVE as a DD if you want to because a complete endgame pariah.
There are so inherently tank though. However after more pvp today i noticed that it seems like dps wise you cant seem to hit hard enough to kill anyone with any real kinda sustain
They do better in PvP because tankiness is important there. But they are awful in PvE.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 20, 2019 4:29AM1 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
1. Not enough DPS skills (only 4 to choose from)
2. The class was designed around frost damage, but ZOS made frost a tanking element
3. No utility when you play DD (all their DPS skills only deal damage, they have no secondary effects)\
Magicka warden is by far the weakest DPS class in the game.usmcjdking wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
It mostly synergizes with frost damage and you are more than welcome to run a Frost stave in PVE as a DD if you want to because a complete endgame pariah.
There are so inherently tank though. However after more pvp today i noticed that it seems like dps wise you cant seem to hit hard enough to kill anyone with any real kinda sustain
They do better in PvP because tankiness is important there. But they are awful in PvE.
well maybe if they got rid of the stupid gates and arctic wind move we would be in better shape lol.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
1. Not enough DPS skills (only 4 to choose from)
2. The class was designed around frost damage, but ZOS made frost a tanking element
3. No utility when you play DD (all their DPS skills only deal damage, they have no secondary effects)\
Magicka warden is by far the weakest DPS class in the game.usmcjdking wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
It mostly synergizes with frost damage and you are more than welcome to run a Frost stave in PVE as a DD if you want to because a complete endgame pariah.
There are so inherently tank though. However after more pvp today i noticed that it seems like dps wise you cant seem to hit hard enough to kill anyone with any real kinda sustain
They do better in PvP because tankiness is important there. But they are awful in PvE.
well maybe if they got rid of the stupid gates and arctic wind move we would be in better shape lol.
These are decent taking skills. But you can rework arctic blast and frozen retreat to be dps skills. Blast could have the arctic wind master plan implemented and Frozen Retreat can be reworked to be a burst trap that doesn't teleport enemies. Keep the unique synergy though.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX
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alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
1. Not enough DPS skills (only 4 to choose from)
2. The class was designed around frost damage, but ZOS made frost a tanking element
3. No utility when you play DD (all their DPS skills only deal damage, they have no secondary effects)\
Magicka warden is by far the weakest DPS class in the game.usmcjdking wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
It mostly synergizes with frost damage and you are more than welcome to run a Frost stave in PVE as a DD if you want to because a complete endgame pariah.
There are so inherently tank though. However after more pvp today i noticed that it seems like dps wise you cant seem to hit hard enough to kill anyone with any real kinda sustain
They do better in PvP because tankiness is important there. But they are awful in PvE.
well maybe if they got rid of the stupid gates and arctic wind move we would be in better shape lol.
These are decent taking skills. But you can rework arctic blast and frozen retreat to be dps skills. Blast could have the arctic wind master plan implemented and Frozen Retreat can be reworked to be a burst trap that doesn't teleport enemies. Keep the unique synergy though.
as far as pve goes if they worked like the mines that scorc has, they would be "ok". if artic wind acted like a volatile armor it would be better but at the end of the day we dont have a spamable that is worthwhile. pve or pvp. Also the hardest hitting move can be easily avoided due to the detection on the Z access it has. It would be better if it was a target seeking a move at this point.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
1. Not enough DPS skills (only 4 to choose from)
2. The class was designed around frost damage, but ZOS made frost a tanking element
3. No utility when you play DD (all their DPS skills only deal damage, they have no secondary effects)\
Magicka warden is by far the weakest DPS class in the game.usmcjdking wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
It mostly synergizes with frost damage and you are more than welcome to run a Frost stave in PVE as a DD if you want to because a complete endgame pariah.
There are so inherently tank though. However after more pvp today i noticed that it seems like dps wise you cant seem to hit hard enough to kill anyone with any real kinda sustain
They do better in PvP because tankiness is important there. But they are awful in PvE.
well maybe if they got rid of the stupid gates and arctic wind move we would be in better shape lol.
These are decent taking skills. But you can rework arctic blast and frozen retreat to be dps skills. Blast could have the arctic wind master plan implemented and Frozen Retreat can be reworked to be a burst trap that doesn't teleport enemies. Keep the unique synergy though.
as far as pve goes if they worked like the mines that scorc has, they would be "ok". if artic wind acted like a volatile armor it would be better but at the end of the day we dont have a spamable that is worthwhile. pve or pvp. Also the hardest hitting move can be easily avoided due to the detection on the Z access it has. It would be better if it was a target seeking a move at this point.
Frozen retreat trap is a pvp skill. Blast was made a pvp skill by ZOS but was pve for us. Our crys slab rework idea is intended to be a proc skill for both pve and pvp. And we're still working on expansive frost cloak. Likely for both pvp and pve.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on February 20, 2019 4:53AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX
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Witar✭✭✭✭✭Pets from item sets are not getting your crit chance and other stuff your pets are getting. So maw wasn't actually buffed at all.Edited by Witar on February 20, 2019 4:53AMIt cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt,
It lies behind stars and under hills,
And empty holes it fills,
It comes first and follows after,
Ends life, kills laughter.0 -
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✭alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
1. Not enough DPS skills (only 4 to choose from)
2. The class was designed around frost damage, but ZOS made frost a tanking element
3. No utility when you play DD (all their DPS skills only deal damage, they have no secondary effects)\
Magicka warden is by far the weakest DPS class in the game.usmcjdking wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
It mostly synergizes with frost damage and you are more than welcome to run a Frost stave in PVE as a DD if you want to because a complete endgame pariah.
There are so inherently tank though. However after more pvp today i noticed that it seems like dps wise you cant seem to hit hard enough to kill anyone with any real kinda sustain
They do better in PvP because tankiness is important there. But they are awful in PvE.
well maybe if they got rid of the stupid gates and arctic wind move we would be in better shape lol.
These are decent taking skills. But you can rework arctic blast and frozen retreat to be dps skills. Blast could have the arctic wind master plan implemented and Frozen Retreat can be reworked to be a burst trap that doesn't teleport enemies. Keep the unique synergy though.
as far as pve goes if they worked like the mines that scorc has, they would be "ok". if artic wind acted like a volatile armor it would be better but at the end of the day we dont have a spamable that is worthwhile. pve or pvp. Also the hardest hitting move can be easily avoided due to the detection on the Z access it has. It would be better if it was a target seeking a move at this point.
Uuummm that bird is a darn good spam.1 -
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✭MagDen DPS in PvE is plagued by the bear. If they had not nerfed it for murkmire and left the other changes and now the pet buff the magDen would be in a solid spot. But the bear needs to be dual slotted and deals single Target damage on the ultimate. It's fine but when mag is brought in they are expected to have AOE destro ulti. By Nerfing the bear they made wardens more able to ditch it for destro ulti BUT that also means that the ultimate their damage is tied to is destroyed. They were supposed to move that damage to other skills not just remove it.
StamDen is in a solid place now though in pve. And with magDens able to slot prey on their front bar next patch it will be a nice buff. Along with the pet buffs. But not enough.
MagDen PvP is fantastic though. They have so many options they are fantastic especially this slow patch. MagDen is a powerhouse in PvP.0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭cpuScientist wrote: »MagDen DPS in PvE is plagued by the bear. If they had not nerfed it for murkmire and left the other changes and now the pet buff the magDen would be in a solid spot. But the bear needs to be dual slotted and deals single Target damage on the ultimate. It's fine but when mag is brought in they are expected to have AOE destro ulti. By Nerfing the bear they made wardens more able to ditch it for destro ulti BUT that also means that the ultimate their damage is tied to is destroyed. They were supposed to move that damage to other skills not just remove it.
StamDen is in a solid place now though in pve. And with magDens able to slot prey on their front bar next patch it will be a nice buff. Along with the pet buffs. But not enough.
MagDen PvP is fantastic though. They have so many options they are fantastic especially this slow patch. MagDen is a powerhouse in PvP.
pvp wise i feel like they just need more options when it comes to the frozen gates. the artic blast is kinda meh0 -
sneakymitchell✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Magden DPS is still ***.
What exactly do people say is wrong with Warden? To tanky? Too little/much dps?
1. Not enough DPS skills (only 4 to choose from)
2. The class was designed around frost damage, but ZOS made frost a tanking element
3. No utility when you play DD (all their DPS skills only deal damage, they have no secondary effects)\
Magicka warden is by far the weakest DPS class in the game.
Frost can still be used as damage. Helps give out minor maim to mobs so the tank won’t use heroic slash on them just taunts.
But there is a lack of frost damage in the tree now just only one winters revenge. The rest is mostly tools and support.NA-Xbox one- Ebonheart Pact- Nord Tank DK
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Namarkas✭✭✭I've seen a number of posts regarding higher dps with pet sorcs, in particular with Maw of the Infernal due to the new pet scaling. Has anyone more number savy than I confirmed if werewolf dps has changed significantly with the pet changes? Or stam/mag Warden for that matter.
As somebody else already said, item set pets don't get all the buffs (but I didn't check which ones exactly).
About werewolves: I made some tests on the pts, and my damage went up by 5k to 50k on average, selbuffed (so no fracture and stuff). However, this doesn't all come from the pets.
I was on a bosmer sorc, meaning the new Amplitude passive played a part, so did the bosmer buffs (apart from getting more stamina, they get raw stamina now which scales with ww stam increase). So I wouldn't call it a "significant" buff to ww pets alone.
I think the real deal is the crit inheritance (which ww has very little in comparison) and the 5pc bonuses on pets now like necro (which ww has none usually). Don't forget that pets already gained certain buffs.
I think it will be more interesting to see in a raid environment, when you get stuff like berserk and warhorn (which I had no access to in my tests
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