Bigevilpeter wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Some people attribute too much importance to mount training. They seem to think that a character is useless until it has maxed all the mount stats (and unlocked all the skyshards). Allowing such things to determine whether or not you roll another character is absurd. You don't have to log all your characters in every day to complete training any more than you have to do all the dailies with them every day. Just play the game and these things will all fall into place over time, and time is what MMOs are all about rather than instant achievement.
Yep.
Honestly, I'm shocked to hear people say they actually pay crowns for those lesson things. They seem like such a waste of money.
(but yeah - I don't pvp, and I've never bothered to train Stamina on any of my characters. I train to 60/0/60.)
I get a allowance of crowns with ESO+ sub, not much in the crown store interests me. So when I make a new character they get fully horsed up.
Im surprised that intrests you more than everything else on the crown store
Bigevilpeter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »I'm still surprised horse daily training is still a thing after all the game has been through. So many changes and updates and you still have to log every single day with every single character to get 1% max run speed or bag space.
Its purpose was clear at first, make people log in everyday and make an extra $ on the side for those who are too lazy to.
Now lets look at what the game has become now, there are crown crates, houses, and a ton of crown store items and should make way more than horse riding lessons ever did, also I think most people will prefer to use their crowns on better items than horse lessons, so the $ value of those lessons are really not that big. Also now there are daily log in rewards which are actually much better then horse riding lesson to keep people logging in, the end of month rewards are most of the time really worth logging in everyday.
So why is this still a thing? Only thing it accomplishes atm is discouraging players from making new characters, I personally am still considering all the pain I will go through to train my 2 necromamcers when Elswyr comes out, even considering making just one and switching roles.
Just make it possible to train as many points as you want per day or even make it like 10 points per day or something.
Plz ZOS @ZOS_GinaBruno try to send this feedback to those in charge of this business model. It is just hurting the game at this point.
Massively missing the point of this system. The gold needed for training is so minimal that time is the only real cost. Seriously, at 250g a training session, that's only 45k gold to fully train at the stables, which is nothing. So asking to remove the daily horse training limit is essentially the same as asking for the minimum horse speed to just be automatically raised to the maximum, with the same for stamina and carry capacity. No thank you.
It's fantastic there's a reward system for doing in-game dailies. The alternative would be nothing to look forward to because everyone automatically gets everything from the start. That alternative sounds like a pretty pointless way to play. So play the game as intended and please stop with these threads asking for free handouts.
Edit: Seriously, I think that anyone asking for such things should have to go back to the old way of horse training, where they had to train every single mount separately.
people like you is why we dont get nice things, there is a difference between reward for actually doing something worthwhile and what horse training is, there is a ton of more rewarding things in the game and the mentality of everything needs to be a tedious chore is what is wrong with mmos. you dont do anything special to earn this, you just do a mind numbing task more frequently
starkerealm wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Its purpose was clear at first, make people log in everyday and make an extra $ on the side for those who are too lazy to.
Fun trivia: The daily training cap predates the crown store by ten months. So, clearly, it's just there, "to make an extra dollar on the side."
@starkerealm Just shows that ZOS can plan ahead when it comes to money.
But back to the topic, there is a reason why ZOS doesn't want players to get everything unlocked instantly and horse training as well as research is a reason to keep players logging in daily.
Facefister wrote: »People keep parroting "They sell them, they make money with them!". Show some data on them. Vamp and WW skilllines are also on the store since ages. Are they keeping those because they sell so much?
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Actually I think ZOS may lose money on this. I mean each time I have idea of some new cool build, I wanna go create new char and even buy slot for this, and then I remember about horses and magic guild levels, and i just stop, cause it's unbearable.
starkerealm wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Its purpose was clear at first, make people log in everyday and make an extra $ on the side for those who are too lazy to.
Fun trivia: The daily training cap predates the crown store by ten months. So, clearly, it's just there, "to make an extra dollar on the side."
@starkerealm Just shows that ZOS can plan ahead when it comes to money.
But back to the topic, there is a reason why ZOS doesn't want players to get everything unlocked instantly and horse training as well as research is a reason to keep players logging in daily.
I realize the first part of the post is tongue ams cheek but the second part is spot on.
What I would like is to allow people to purchase multiple trainings per day, but at an ever increasing price which gets reset on the next day to the usual 250g. It's a gold sink, it's alt-friendly, it reduces "grindiness" and still leaves a reason for horse upgrades to be sold.
yes its also the original daily login initiative.ZO$ would miss it cause they make money with those riding lessons. Lots of people buy em (even I did for some characters).
starkerealm wrote: »The thing I can give you without question is, auto-queuing upgrades would be a fantastic ESO+ perk. Pay now, and have them click in over time?
I mean, the big thing, getting players to log in, is now handled by the daily reward system anyway.
vesselwiththepestle wrote: »What about: Pay 200k for 10 riding lessons, which set the horse on a 7-day-timer?
Bigevilpeter wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »I'm still surprised horse daily training is still a thing after all the game has been through. So many changes and updates and you still have to log every single day with every single character to get 1% max run speed or bag space.
Its purpose was clear at first, make people log in everyday and make an extra $ on the side for those who are too lazy to.
Now lets look at what the game has become now, there are crown crates, houses, and a ton of crown store items and should make way more than horse riding lessons ever did, also I think most people will prefer to use their crowns on better items than horse lessons, so the $ value of those lessons are really not that big. Also now there are daily log in rewards which are actually much better then horse riding lesson to keep people logging in, the end of month rewards are most of the time really worth logging in everyday.
So why is this still a thing? Only thing it accomplishes atm is discouraging players from making new characters, I personally am still considering all the pain I will go through to train my 2 necromamcers when Elswyr comes out, even considering making just one and switching roles.
Just make it possible to train as many points as you want per day or even make it like 10 points per day or something.
Plz ZOS @ZOS_GinaBruno try to send this feedback to those in charge of this business model. It is just hurting the game at this point.
Massively missing the point of this system. The gold needed for training is so minimal that time is the only real cost. Seriously, at 250g a training session, that's only 45k gold to fully train at the stables, which is nothing. So asking to remove the daily horse training limit is essentially the same as asking for the minimum horse speed to just be automatically raised to the maximum, with the same for stamina and carry capacity. No thank you.
It's fantastic there's a reward system for doing in-game dailies. The alternative would be nothing to look forward to because everyone automatically gets everything from the start. That alternative sounds like a pretty pointless way to play. So play the game as intended and please stop with these threads asking for free handouts.
Edit: Seriously, I think that anyone asking for such things should have to go back to the old way of horse training, where they had to train every single mount separately.
people like you is why we dont get nice things, there is a difference between reward for actually doing something worthwhile and what horse training is, there is a ton of more rewarding things in the game and the mentality of everything needs to be a tedious chore is what is wrong with mmos. you dont do anything special to earn this, you just do a mind numbing task more frequently