If they removed the daily cap on horse training do you think anyone will miss it?

Bigevilpeter · February 2019

I'm still surprised horse daily training is still a thing after all the game has been through. So many changes and updates and you still have to log every single day with every single character to get 1% max run speed or bag space.

Its purpose was clear at first, make people log in everyday and make an extra $ on the side for those who are too lazy to.

Now lets look at what the game has become now, there are crown crates, houses, and a ton of crown store items and should make way more than horse riding lessons ever did, also I think most people will prefer to use their crowns on better items than horse lessons, so the $ value of those lessons are really not that big. Also now there are daily log in rewards which are actually much better then horse riding lesson to keep people logging in, the end of month rewards are most of the time really worth logging in everyday.

So why is this still a thing? Only thing it accomplishes atm is discouraging players from making new characters, I personally am still considering all the pain I will go through to train my 2 necromamcers when Elswyr comes out, even considering making just one and switching roles.

Just make it possible to train as many points as you want per day or even make it like 10 points per day or something.

Plz ZOS @ZOS_GinaBruno try to send this feedback to those in charge of this business model. It is just hurting the game at this point.

Leeched · February 2019

ZO$ would miss it cause they make money with those riding lessons. Lots of people buy em (even I did for some characters).

KhajiitFelix · February 2019

Rilis wrote: »

ZO$ would miss it cause they make money with those riding lessons. Lots of people buy em (even I did for some characters).

Ewwwwww....

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

Rilis wrote: »

ZO$ would miss it cause they make money with those riding lessons. Lots of people buy em (even I did for some characters).

Actually I think ZOS may lose money on this. I mean each time I have idea of some new cool build, I wanna go create new char and even buy slot for this, and then I remember about horses and magic guild levels, and i just stop, cause it's unbearable.

Bigevilpeter · February 2019

Rilis wrote: »

ZO$ would miss it cause they make money with those riding lessons. Lots of people buy em (even I did for some characters).

Don't you think they are making a ton more money from other sources already? back in the beginning there wasnt too much stuff to use your crowns on, and in the past I did by some lessons, but now I would never spend crowns in lessons there is a lot more valuble stuff to spend my money on, no matter how tedious horse training us.

Again this also discourages people from making new characters so it hurts the game.

Leeched · February 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Rilis wrote: »

ZO$ would miss it cause they make money with those riding lessons. Lots of people buy em (even I did for some characters).

Don't you think they are making a ton more money from other sources already? back in the beginning there wasnt too much stuff to use your crowns on, and in the past I did by some lessons, but now I would never spend crowns in lessons there is a lot more valuble stuff to spend my money on, no matter how tedious horse training us.

Again this also discourages people from making new characters so it hurts the game.

Ofc they make enough money from other sources but why should they stop selling this one when it clearly makes em earn even more $? Their goal is to make as much money as possible so I really can't see em removing the horse feeding cap.

Bigevilpeter · February 2019

Rilis wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Rilis wrote: »

ZO$ would miss it cause they make money with those riding lessons. Lots of people buy em (even I did for some characters).

Don't you think they are making a ton more money from other sources already? back in the beginning there wasnt too much stuff to use your crowns on, and in the past I did by some lessons, but now I would never spend crowns in lessons there is a lot more valuble stuff to spend my money on, no matter how tedious horse training us.

Again this also discourages people from making new characters so it hurts the game.

Ofc they make enough money from other sources but why should they stop selling this one when it clearly makes em earn even more $? Their goal is to make as much money as possible so I really can't see em removing the horse feeding cap.

Not everything is about making a quick buck, there are QoL changes that can increase customer satisfaction and thus make more money on the long run

Knootewoot · February 2019

I only do stamina on my new characters. I just go to cyrrodill 5 seconds to get rapid manoeuvres for speed.

vesselwiththepestle · February 2019

I would be even happy if I could buy the training for a whole week at once, even if it gets on a 7-day-timer then.

I'd even more happy if I could just throw lots of gold at the horse trainer to level my horse faster.

However, it's 1000 crowns (!) for 10 riding lessons. So I guess there should be still a timer, so buyers of crown lessons don't have a reason to be totally angry.

What about: Pay 200k for 10 riding lessons, which set the horse on a 7-day-timer?

1. This is far less character micro management, thus an increase in QoL, and it's faster.
2. Due to the high cost (200k instead of 2k) and the still existing timer it doesn't render crown riding lessons totally useless.

But tbh, I think crown riding lessons are the reason we will never see a QoL improvent regarding training horses

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Gythral · February 2019

Yes the suit that thinks it is needed to get players to log in every 21hrs for nearly 6 months...

Tandor · February 2019

Some people attribute too much importance to mount training. They seem to think that a character is useless until it has maxed all the mount stats (and unlocked all the skyshards). Allowing such things to determine whether or not you roll another character is absurd. You don't have to log all your characters in every day to complete training any more than you have to do all the dailies with them every day. Just play the game and these things will all fall into place over time, and time is what MMOs are all about rather than instant achievement.

Bigevilpeter · February 2019

Tandor wrote: »

Some people attribute too much importance to mount training. They seem to think that a character is useless until it has maxed all the mount stats (and unlocked all the skyshards). Allowing such things to determine whether or not you roll another character is absurd. You don't have to log all your characters in every day to complete training any more than you have to do all the dailies with them every day. Just play the game and these things will all fall into place over time, and time is what MMOs are all about rather than instant achievement.

While stamina and carry capacity are optional, mount speed without upgrades is horrible and I dont want to always have rapid maneuver on my bar while im doing overland or quests or skyshard hunting or psijic order.

Also 60% speed with rapid maneuver is def better than 10 speed with rapid maneuver

TheShadowScout · February 2019

Rilis wrote: »

ZO$ would miss it cause they make money with those riding lessons.

^This!^

Horse training is only so annoying to tempt people into spending money as a shortcut.

And that's why it won't change. because anyone who were to suggest they forego those profits would be laughted out of the ZOS boardroom.
Accept that as one of those things we just have to live with, much like death and taxes.

MornaBaine · February 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I'm still surprised horse daily training is still a thing after all the game has been through. So many changes and updates and you still have to log every single day with every single character to get 1% max run speed or bag space.

Its purpose was clear at first, make people log in everyday and make an extra $ on the side for those who are too lazy to.

Now lets look at what the game has become now, there are crown crates, houses, and a ton of crown store items and should make way more than horse riding lessons ever did, also I think most people will prefer to use their crowns on better items than horse lessons, so the $ value of those lessons are really not that big. Also now there are daily log in rewards which are actually much better then horse riding lesson to keep people logging in, the end of month rewards are most of the time really worth logging in everyday.

So why is this still a thing? Only thing it accomplishes atm is discouraging players from making new characters, I personally am still considering all the pain I will go through to train my 2 necromamcers when Elswyr comes out, even considering making just one and switching roles.

Just make it possible to train as many points as you want per day or even make it like 10 points per day or something.

Plz ZOS @ZOS_GinaBruno try to send this feedback to those in charge of this business model. It is just hurting the game at this point.

Could not agree more. It's the only thing that is actually making me dread the long awaited necromancer class. It's just depressing. My suspicion is that they still do it in order to force us into the crown store for scrolls, which I adamantly will not do. I already give ZO$ a ton of money and the fact that they want still more, for THIS, of all things, is obscene. I don't even want them to do away with the gold cost. Just the darn timer! I'll pony up the gold to do away with my slow pony. No problem. But htere's no darned way I'm paying real money for it. It's a bad mechanic at this point that only breeds resentment among players. It's past time it was done away with. And for those with more crowns to burn than gold, make "master" scrolls that do all of the training at one go....but only cost about what a single scroll or two currently costs. Because THAT would be reasonable. Current prices, for what little they do, are NOT.

Bigevilpeter · February 2019

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Rilis wrote: »

ZO$ would miss it cause they make money with those riding lessons.

^This!^

Horse training is only so annoying to tempt people into spending money as a shortcut.

And that's why it won't change. because anyone who were to suggest they forego those profits would be laughted out of the ZOS boardroom.
Accept that as one of those things we just have to live with, much like death and taxes.

I doubt it really makes that much money anymore, I can't imagine using my crowns on horse training anymore, as will the majority of the playerbase now, they will mostly have to suffer through leveling 1 point everyday.

Noctus · February 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Rilis wrote: »

ZO$ would miss it cause they make money with those riding lessons. Lots of people buy em (even I did for some characters).

Actually I think ZOS may lose money on this. I mean each time I have idea of some new cool build, I wanna go create new char and even buy slot for this, and then I remember about horses and magic guild levels, and i just stop, cause it's unbearable.

i absolutely feel u on this one. for me its the skyshards and the psijik skill line i hate it so much. just have world and guild skill lines be the same on every character like cp. if someone wanna od the quest again then fine but dont force people to

srfrogg23 · February 2019

As a player, I wouldn't miss horse training at all.

MornaBaine · February 2019

Tandor wrote: »

Some people attribute too much importance to mount training. They seem to think that a character is useless until it has maxed all the mount stats (and unlocked all the skyshards). Allowing such things to determine whether or not you roll another character is absurd. You don't have to log all your characters in every day to complete training any more than you have to do all the dailies with them every day. Just play the game and these things will all fall into place over time, and time is what MMOs are all about rather than instant achievement.

I have to regretfully disagree with you here. What you say would make sense IF there was no PVP. For PVP you need both speed and stamina maxxed out. It's a "small" detail perhaps but it can be crucial to your survival rate in Cyrodiil. For most PVE folks it's just tedious and very annoying. For the PVP crowd though it's MUCH worse.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · February 2019

Crown store mount upgrade developers would miss it for sure

AlnilamE · February 2019

Or have them let you train one point per skill line each day.

But you are not going back far enough in time. The game didn't start with a Crown Store. In the beginning, we had to buy multiple horses on each character if different stats were important to us. You could train each horse once per day, but you could only train each horse 50 times. You could buy more expensive horses that already started with 10 base stats, so the max you could possibly get was 60.

When they decided to sell mounts in the crown store they made the "mount skill" a "riding skill" and amalgamated all of them so that players could max all the stats on each character.

I've never bought a crown training lesson, though I've gotten some from crates we got for free.

idk · February 2019

I don’t think Zos will remove the daily cap on horse training because Of the crown store training. I expect they provide a nice revenue stream for Zos.

Fortunately I saved my training from the free crates we used to get so I am set for a good part of the training for a necromamcer.

Alinhbo_Tyaka · February 2019

I think ZOS could at least give some type of training benefit to ESO+ players. Maybe 2 or 3 upgrades per day where we get to decide the distribution. They could even leave the price the same at 250 gold each as far as I'm concerned. Though I don't think this would have much of an impact ZOS could up the Crown store benefit as well if they think it would hurt sales.

Vermethys · February 2019

Increasing the daily limit for lessons (to maybe 3 or 5), even with an increasing cost per lesson (250 for the first, 500 for 2nd, 1000... etc) , would be amazing in my opinion. I'm unfortunately one of those who feel that a character is incomplete when they have below 60 speed.

Mettaricana · February 2019

I wouldn't even lose a moment of sleep over that being gone im never gonna buy the crown lessons

Kiralyn2000 · February 2019

Tandor wrote: »

Some people attribute too much importance to mount training. They seem to think that a character is useless until it has maxed all the mount stats (and unlocked all the skyshards). Allowing such things to determine whether or not you roll another character is absurd. You don't have to log all your characters in every day to complete training any more than you have to do all the dailies with them every day. Just play the game and these things will all fall into place over time, and time is what MMOs are all about rather than instant achievement.

Yep.

Honestly, I'm shocked to hear people say they actually pay crowns for those lesson things. They seem like such a waste of money.

(but yeah - I don't pvp, and I've never bothered to train Stamina on any of my characters. I train to 60/0/60.)

majulook · February 2019

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Some people attribute too much importance to mount training. They seem to think that a character is useless until it has maxed all the mount stats (and unlocked all the skyshards). Allowing such things to determine whether or not you roll another character is absurd. You don't have to log all your characters in every day to complete training any more than you have to do all the dailies with them every day. Just play the game and these things will all fall into place over time, and time is what MMOs are all about rather than instant achievement.

Yep.

Honestly, I'm shocked to hear people say they actually pay crowns for those lesson things. They seem like such a waste of money.

(but yeah - I don't pvp, and I've never bothered to train Stamina on any of my characters. I train to 60/0/60.)

I get a allowance of crowns with ESO+ sub, not much in the crown store interests me. So when I make a new character they get fully horsed up.

Bigevilpeter · February 2019

majulook wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Some people attribute too much importance to mount training. They seem to think that a character is useless until it has maxed all the mount stats (and unlocked all the skyshards). Allowing such things to determine whether or not you roll another character is absurd. You don't have to log all your characters in every day to complete training any more than you have to do all the dailies with them every day. Just play the game and these things will all fall into place over time, and time is what MMOs are all about rather than instant achievement.

Yep.

Honestly, I'm shocked to hear people say they actually pay crowns for those lesson things. They seem like such a waste of money.

(but yeah - I don't pvp, and I've never bothered to train Stamina on any of my characters. I train to 60/0/60.)

I get a allowance of crowns with ESO+ sub, not much in the crown store interests me. So when I make a new character they get fully horsed up.

Im surprised that intrests you more than everything else on the crown store

starkerealm · February 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Its purpose was clear at first, make people log in everyday and make an extra $ on the side for those who are too lazy to.

Fun trivia: The daily training cap predates the crown store by ten months. So, clearly, it's just there, "to make an extra dollar on the side."

Ratzkifal · February 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Its purpose was clear at first, make people log in everyday and make an extra $ on the side for those who are too lazy to.

Fun trivia: The daily training cap predates the crown store by ten months. So, clearly, it's just there, "to make an extra dollar on the side."

@starkerealm Just shows that ZOS can plan ahead when it comes to money.

But back to the topic, there is a reason why ZOS doesn't want players to get everything unlocked instantly and horse training as well as research is a reason to keep players logging in daily. The thought behind it is probably along the lines of if 10% of the players that log in "just to train my horse real quick" get their attention caught on a quest, we can increase the number of active players during peak hours by X%.

What I would like is to allow people to purchase multiple trainings per day, but at an ever increasing price which gets reset on the next day to the usual 250g. It's a gold sink, it's alt-friendly, it reduces "grindiness" and still leaves a reason for horse upgrades to be sold.

Ertosi · February 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I'm still surprised horse daily training is still a thing after all the game has been through. So many changes and updates and you still have to log every single day with every single character to get 1% max run speed or bag space.

Its purpose was clear at first, make people log in everyday and make an extra $ on the side for those who are too lazy to.

Now lets look at what the game has become now, there are crown crates, houses, and a ton of crown store items and should make way more than horse riding lessons ever did, also I think most people will prefer to use their crowns on better items than horse lessons, so the $ value of those lessons are really not that big. Also now there are daily log in rewards which are actually much better then horse riding lesson to keep people logging in, the end of month rewards are most of the time really worth logging in everyday.

So why is this still a thing? Only thing it accomplishes atm is discouraging players from making new characters, I personally am still considering all the pain I will go through to train my 2 necromamcers when Elswyr comes out, even considering making just one and switching roles.

Just make it possible to train as many points as you want per day or even make it like 10 points per day or something.

Plz ZOS @ZOS_GinaBruno try to send this feedback to those in charge of this business model. It is just hurting the game at this point.

Massively missing the point of this system. The gold needed for training is so minimal that time is the only real cost. Seriously, at 250g a training session, that's only 45k gold to fully train at the stables, which is nothing. So asking to remove the daily horse training limit is essentially the same as asking for the minimum horse speed to just be automatically raised to the maximum, with the same for stamina and carry capacity. No thank you.

It's fantastic there's a reward system for doing in-game dailies. The alternative would be nothing to look forward to because everyone automatically gets everything from the start. That alternative sounds like a pretty pointless way to play. So play the game as intended and please stop with these threads asking for free handouts.

Edit: Seriously, I think that anyone asking for such things should have to go back to the old way of horse training, where they had to train every single mount separately.

Bigevilpeter · February 2019

Ertosi wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I'm still surprised horse daily training is still a thing after all the game has been through. So many changes and updates and you still have to log every single day with every single character to get 1% max run speed or bag space.

Its purpose was clear at first, make people log in everyday and make an extra $ on the side for those who are too lazy to.

Now lets look at what the game has become now, there are crown crates, houses, and a ton of crown store items and should make way more than horse riding lessons ever did, also I think most people will prefer to use their crowns on better items than horse lessons, so the $ value of those lessons are really not that big. Also now there are daily log in rewards which are actually much better then horse riding lesson to keep people logging in, the end of month rewards are most of the time really worth logging in everyday.

So why is this still a thing? Only thing it accomplishes atm is discouraging players from making new characters, I personally am still considering all the pain I will go through to train my 2 necromamcers when Elswyr comes out, even considering making just one and switching roles.

Just make it possible to train as many points as you want per day or even make it like 10 points per day or something.

Plz ZOS @ZOS_GinaBruno try to send this feedback to those in charge of this business model. It is just hurting the game at this point.

Massively missing the point of this system. The gold needed for training is so minimal that time is the only real cost. Seriously, at 250g a training session, that's only 45k gold to fully train at the stables, which is nothing. So asking to remove the daily horse training limit is essentially the same as asking for the minimum horse speed to just be automatically raised to the maximum, with the same for stamina and carry capacity. No thank you.

It's fantastic there's a reward system for doing in-game dailies. The alternative would be nothing to look forward to because everyone automatically gets everything from the start. That alternative sounds like a pretty pointless way to play. So play the game as intended and please stop with these threads asking for free handouts.

Edit: Seriously, I think that anyone asking for such things should have to go back to the old way of horse training, where they had to train every single mount separately.

people like you is why we dont get nice things, there is a difference between reward for actually doing something worthwhile and what horse training is, there is a ton of more rewarding things in the game and the mentality of everything needs to be a tedious chore is what is wrong with mmos. you dont do anything special to earn this, you just do a mind numbing task more frequently