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Every Skill has a counter except Reflect...
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Come on ZOS, put on your thinking hats...
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If you break something, you can glue it back together and fix it, but, it will always be broken...
If you break something, you can glue it back together and fix it, but, it will always be broken...
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The counter are skills that do not reflect. It doesn’t reflect everything. Put on your thinking hat.Edited by idk on February 16, 2019 8:44PM83 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Reflect itself is a counter to other skills. Counters for reflect abilities, off the top of my head:
Oblivion damage,
Bleeds,
Any melee skills,
Channeled skills,
Several projectiles that specifically can't be reflected,
I see plenty of counters......Edited by Siohwenoeht on February 16, 2019 8:46PM"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard23 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This weekend seems to have an abnormal amount of useless forum threads ... this thread being no different.25 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭The counter are skills that do not reflect. It doesn’t reflect everything. Put on your thinking hat.
it stupid to have to redo you build to combat 1 skill. it reflects all the good things in a ranged build, it should at least let some damage through. At least shield you can beat down the shield and get rid of it. Reflect just negates all the damage and even sends it back, then they just cast it again or you get snared and and whipped and dawnbreakered to death while you realize the best option is just to flee.Edited by GarnetFire17 on February 16, 2019 9:23PM2 -
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✭✭✭As a magblade I have to keep alert. Sometimes I have to blink to prevent dry eyes. I recommend roll dodging while blinking. Hopefully you will never have to sneeze. You don't have enough stam for that.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Add AoE's and DoTs to the list too...
OP, you're doing it wrong.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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✭✭✭✭Reflect IS the counter. You want a counter to a counter? You want... counterception.6 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Add AoE's and DoTs to the list too...
OP, you're doing it wrong.
aoe? seriously? the just step out of it. and what Dot? cripple? entropy? They aren't good answers. Right for Magblades this skill means auto lose and just run away. anti-fun.Edited by GarnetFire17 on February 16, 2019 9:34PM0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »The counter are skills that do not reflect. It doesn’t reflect everything. Put on your thinking hat.
it stupid to have to redo you build to combat 1 skill. it reflects all the good things in a ranged build, it should at least let some damage through. At least shield you can beat down the shield and get rid of it. Reflect just negates all the damage and even sends it back, then they just cast it again or you get snared and and whipped and dawnbreakered to death while you realize the best option is just to flee.
Any build is not good for everything. It must be good overall.
With that, a great many of us have figured all this out, especially after the multiple nerfs wings has gotten over the years. So to suggest Zos needs to put on their thinking caps when you refuse to do so seems rather not so bright. Especially when you suggest the skill doesn’t have a counter when it does then there see,s to be something missing on your side of the equation.
If you think Zos doesn’t see that with a very uninformative OP with inaccurate information then your mistaken. If you are interested in changes to the skill than I’d suggest an informative and intelligent approach to creating the thread.7 -
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✭✭Imagine complaining about things as a Nightblade lol. #1 class in PvP and PvE.Edited by templesus on February 16, 2019 9:36PM8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭All sorts of proc sets.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.0 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »The counter are skills that do not reflect. It doesn’t reflect everything. Put on your thinking hat.
it stupid to have to redo you build to combat 1 skill. it reflects all the good things in a ranged build, it should at least let some damage through. At least shield you can beat down the shield and get rid of it. Reflect just negates all the damage and even sends it back, then they just cast it again or you get snared and and whipped and dawnbreakered to death while you realize the best option is just to flee.
Any build is not good for everything. It must be good overall.
With that, a great many of us have figured all this out, especially after the multiple nerfs wings has gotten over the years. So to suggest Zos needs to put on their thinking caps when you refuse to do so seems rather not so bright. Especially when you suggest the skill doesn’t have a counter when it does then there see,s to be something missing on your side of the equation.
If you think Zos doesn’t see that with a very uninformative OP with inaccurate information then your mistaken. If you are interested in changes to the skill than I’d suggest an informative and intelligent approach to creating the thread.
Just because something has a counter it doesn't make it balanced or fair. 1 skill should not be able to completely shut down 1 style of play. It's just needs to let some damage through. It can keep the return damage at full amount. It's like you are saying just don't play ranged. just don't play magblade. Just put a bunch of bad skills on your bar just so DK can laugh as you try to tickle them to death. Seriously, screw that.Edited by GarnetFire17 on February 16, 2019 9:41PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »GarnetFire17 wrote: »The counter are skills that do not reflect. It doesn’t reflect everything. Put on your thinking hat.
it stupid to have to redo you build to combat 1 skill. it reflects all the good things in a ranged build, it should at least let some damage through. At least shield you can beat down the shield and get rid of it. Reflect just negates all the damage and even sends it back, then they just cast it again or you get snared and and whipped and dawnbreakered to death while you realize the best option is just to flee.
Any build is not good for everything. It must be good overall.
With that, a great many of us have figured all this out, especially after the multiple nerfs wings has gotten over the years. So to suggest Zos needs to put on their thinking caps when you refuse to do so seems rather not so bright. Especially when you suggest the skill doesn’t have a counter when it does then there see,s to be something missing on your side of the equation.
If you think Zos doesn’t see that with a very uninformative OP with inaccurate information then your mistaken. If you are interested in changes to the skill than I’d suggest an informative and intelligent approach to creating the thread.
Just because something has a counter it doesn't make it balanced or fair. 1 skill should not be able to completely shut down 1 style of play. It's just needs to let some damage through. It can keep the return damage at full amount. It's like you are saying just don't play ranged. just don't play magblade. Just put a bunch of bad skills on your bar just so DK can laugh as you try to tickle them to death. Seriously, screw that.
Just because you are challenged with a skill doesn not mean it’s unbalanced or unfair.
Amd again, am informative and intelligent approach is much more likely to get the attention from Zos than what the OP here will get.4 -
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✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »GarnetFire17 wrote: »The counter are skills that do not reflect. It doesn’t reflect everything. Put on your thinking hat.
it stupid to have to redo you build to combat 1 skill. it reflects all the good things in a ranged build, it should at least let some damage through. At least shield you can beat down the shield and get rid of it. Reflect just negates all the damage and even sends it back, then they just cast it again or you get snared and and whipped and dawnbreakered to death while you realize the best option is just to flee.
Any build is not good for everything. It must be good overall.
With that, a great many of us have figured all this out, especially after the multiple nerfs wings has gotten over the years. So to suggest Zos needs to put on their thinking caps when you refuse to do so seems rather not so bright. Especially when you suggest the skill doesn’t have a counter when it does then there see,s to be something missing on your side of the equation.
If you think Zos doesn’t see that with a very uninformative OP with inaccurate information then your mistaken. If you are interested in changes to the skill than I’d suggest an informative and intelligent approach to creating the thread.
Just because something has a counter it doesn't make it balanced or fair. 1 skill should not be able to completely shut down 1 style of play. It's just needs to let some damage through. It can keep the return damage at full amount. It's like you are saying just don't play ranged. just don't play magblade. Just put a bunch of bad skills on your bar just so DK can laugh as you try to tickle them to death. Seriously, screw that.
Unless you're bow/bow wings (which is what this thread is really about) shouldn't be shutting down your style of play. Even if you're a bow/bow nb, you've got things in your class abilities to cope. When wings are up don't use skills that can be reflected, wait for them to drop then go offensive. Dk's can't constantly have wings up without sacrificing some damage output. Honestly I'm starting to think some folks just like playing from a distance and don't want to get their hands dirty up close......"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard8 -
Matthros✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »The counter are skills that do not reflect. It doesn’t reflect everything. Put on your thinking hat.
it stupid to have to redo you build to combat 1 skill. it reflects all the good things in a ranged build, it should at least let some damage through. At least shield you can beat down the shield and get rid of it. Reflect just negates all the damage and even sends it back, then they just cast it again or you get snared and and whipped and dawnbreakered to death while you realize the best option is just to flee.
I don’t want to redo my build to counter cloak but I have to.Edited by Matthros on February 16, 2019 9:52PM13 -
Slack✭✭✭✭✭Every Fish is a Fish, except jellyfish
Every hat sits on a head, except an ass-hatEdited by Slack on February 16, 2019 10:19PMPC EU
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✭✭Only reflects 4 projectiles for 6 seconds...not and end all be all skill making the user unkillable. Try harder.6 -
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✭✭✭The counter is a skill with an animation that draws essence from an enemy...like Swallow Soul...oh wait it can be reflected.
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✭JumpmanLane wrote: »Only reflects 4 projectiles for 6 seconds...not and end all be all skill making the user unkillable. Try harder.
I think that depends on the matchup. Even a top notch flame reach spamming Sorc (seems to be the Sorc Meta) is never going to kill a well played MDK if the DK has decent recovery. I've literally watched some of the best Sorcs on PS4 just run away when they realize the opponent is a halfway decent MDK. Maybe if Total Dark could have 100% uptime my Magtemp would have a chance against those Sorcs or be able to make them run away too.Edited by itscompton on February 16, 2019 10:32PM1 -
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✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »The counter are skills that do not reflect. It doesn’t reflect everything. Put on your thinking hat.
it stupid to have to redo you build to combat 1 skill. it reflects all the good things in a ranged build, it should at least let some damage through. At least shield you can beat down the shield and get rid of it. Reflect just negates all the damage and even sends it back, then they just cast it again or you get snared and and whipped and dawnbreakered to death while you realize the best option is just to flee.
I don’t want to redo my build to counter cloak but I have to.
Except there aren't any anti-reflect potions.Dalek-Rok - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Shād - Argonian Nightblade || Dalek-Shul - Argonian Templar || Dalek-Xal - Argonian Dragonknight || Mounts-the-Snout - Argonian Warden || Dalek-Xul - Argonian Necromancer || Two-Spires - Argonian Arcanist || Dalek-Nesh - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Kör - Argonian DragonknightJudas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.1 -
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✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »The counter are skills that do not reflect. It doesn’t reflect everything. Put on your thinking hat.
it stupid to have to redo you build to combat 1 skill. it reflects all the good things in a ranged build, it should at least let some damage through. At least shield you can beat down the shield and get rid of it. Reflect just negates all the damage and even sends it back, then they just cast it again or you get snared and and whipped and dawnbreakered to death while you realize the best option is just to flee.
I don’t want to redo my build to counter cloak but I have to.
Except there aren't any anti-reflect potions.
Ooh that sounds like fun.1 -
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Ruckly✭✭✭✭The counter to reflect is to spam light attacks and low cost projectile skills to make it go away. Or to fight in melee.1
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✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »The counter are skills that do not reflect. It doesn’t reflect everything. Put on your thinking hat.
it stupid to have to redo you build to combat 1 skill. it reflects all the good things in a ranged build, it should at least let some damage through. At least shield you can beat down the shield and get rid of it. Reflect just negates all the damage and even sends it back, then they just cast it again or you get snared and and whipped and dawnbreakered to death while you realize the best option is just to flee.
I don’t want to redo my build to counter cloak but I have to.
Except there aren't any anti-reflect potions.
There are no anti-cloak potions either. Detect pots only increase stealth detection, cloak is total invisibility, you could have every stealth detection buff in the game going at the same time and a cloak spamming Nightblade could still do a jig on your head and you wouldn't know it.
Cloak is the single most powerful ability in PVP and EVERYONE has to build to deal with it. So if you don't like having to change your build to deal with DK wings my response is, tough expletive.Edited by Conduit0 on February 16, 2019 10:58PM11 -
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✭✭itscompton wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »Only reflects 4 projectiles for 6 seconds...not and end all be all skill making the user unkillable. Try harder.
I think that depends on the matchup. Even a top notch flame reach spamming Sorc (seems to be the Sorc Meta) is never going to kill a well played MDK if the DK has decent recovery. I've literally watched some of the best Sorcs on PS4 just run away when they realize the opponent is a halfway decent MDK. Maybe if Total Dark could have 100% uptime my Magtemp would have a chance against those Sorcs or be able to make them run away too.
True enough Sorcs run. Even when I run something like Spinner’s Julianos with horrible sustain has them streaking away. I don’t chase generally so if I don’t know and hate said sorc we both live to fight another day. Must every encounter end in death?
If the Sorc stuck around chances are I’d kill him. If he stuck around and timed things right he could kill me. I think folks want to fire 1 or two skills and 1 or 2 shot everyone. If they can’t they cry for nerfs.3
