Why are players allowed to log out in a flagged keep and return when its flipped?

kenjiblaster25 · February 2019

In pvp we are constantly seeking groups of players disappear, often reappearing after a keep flips. We assume they are cheating scum who either power off Xbox instantly or disconnect from router and reconnect, hoping they can cheat and retake the keep because they don’t have the basic skills to defend or take one contested.

ZeniMax - is this the game working as intended?

Ertosi · February 2019

Woah? That's a thing? It certainly shouldn't be. Sounds like they need to add a check to boot such players back to their starting gates.

Raammzzaa · February 2019

What you describe is usually what happens when you lag out. Seen it many times, and have had it happen to me many times... one second we’re all fighting, the next gone and back again. I don’t think it’s anyone trying to cheat. Honestly, it’s a lot better than it used to be. Last year right after Summerset dropped this was a regular thing happening all the time for about a month. It’s improved now, but still happens sometimes.

Intextio · February 2019

That happens when your group lags out. It is not a cheat.

evoniee · February 2019

you know something called sneak ?

oXI_Viper_IXo · February 2019

If you try and log back in and the keep has flipped factions, you will just respawn back at the gate. Chances are they were hiding somewhere in sneak and you didn't sweep the keep well enough.

Coggo · February 2019

The number of times I've disconnected and hastily rebooted the game desperate not to miss that D/O Tick!?!?

Shadow_Akula · February 2019

I once lagged out in middle of defending a keep, restarted game just as I spawned back in, reds flipped it right at that moment and I had to run and failed to escape through the still open door. Never forget that day, my friends laughing at me when I spawned back in, being chased by an army of reds...

good times.

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

If you try and log back in and the keep has flipped factions, you will just respawn back at the gate. Chances are they were hiding somewhere in sneak and you didn't sweep the keep well enough.

I agree with this likely scenario, it was probably a stealthy enemy, waiting for their moment.

kenjiblaster25 · February 2019

Raammzzaa wrote: »

What you describe is usually what happens when you lag out. Seen it many times, and have had it happen to me many times... one second we’re all fighting, the next gone and back again. I don’t think it’s anyone trying to cheat. Honestly, it’s a lot better than it used to be. Last year right after Summerset dropped this was a regular thing happening all the time for about a month. It’s improved now, but still happens sometimes.

It’s NOT lagging out- who is stupid enough to make a thread about that. This is large groups of players stacked and often hidden who disappear and then come back many minutes later

kenjiblaster25 · February 2019

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

If you try and log back in and the keep has flipped factions, you will just respawn back at the gate. Chances are they were hiding somewhere in sneak and you didn't sweep the keep well enough.

No no no no no. Who wastes the time to write and say there’s cheating going on with stealth. This is deliberate cheating of a hole in the code.

Brrrofski · February 2019

It's when you game client crashes. If you open it again pretty much straight away you end up in the keep you DCed from. If you leave it like 5 or more minutes you end up at your gate or out of PvP entirely if PvP is full. Happens a lot on Xbox (ESO doesn't run too well on a potato).

I fully imagine you could recreate this by manually crashing your client. Never tried it, but can't see why it wouldn't happen.

White wabbit · February 2019

Normally it's because you DCed after being zerged down by EP

kenjiblaster25 · February 2019

White wabbit wrote: »

Normally it's because you DCed after being zerged down by EP

Voice of experience.

kenjiblaster25 · February 2019

Brrrofski wrote: »

It's when you game client crashes. If you open it again pretty much straight away you end up in the keep you DCed from. If you leave it like 5 or more minutes you end up at your gate or out of PvP entirely if PvP is full. Happens a lot on Xbox (ESO doesn't run too well on a potato).

I fully imagine you could recreate this by manually crashing your client. Never tried it, but can't see why it wouldn't happen.

This is pretty close I think. People have suggested they unplug routers- I find that far fetched. I simply wonder if they turn their Xbox off and restart it with no log out procedure.

Knootewoot · February 2019

kenjiblaster25 wrote: »

In pvp we are constantly seeking groups of players disappear, often reappearing after a keep flips. We assume they are cheating scum who either power off Xbox instantly or disconnect from router and reconnect, hoping they can cheat and retake the keep because they don’t have the basic skills to defend or take one contested.

ZeniMax - is this the game working as intended?

We did this on PC-EU a lot. Not by cheating... but if the battle went the wrong way a group op 12 would use the commotion to hide and sneak somewhere in a corner. Sometimes it failed. Most time it worked.

SugaComa · February 2019

To all those claiming lag outs ... Not true ...

On a lag out some players remain and can kill the toon that's left stationary

What is happening here is as the doors go in the players just disconnect from being up stairs pouring oils to reloading as doors are being repaired.

They spawn in at the wayshrine, seen it twice on PS4 EU ... First time I put it down to unlucky timing of fast travel , second time I recognised names of people who were fighting from above but oddly gone once we entered the keep

Haven't figured out how it's done but o suspect it's from the PS4 setting similar to the old Crota glitch on Destiny

Moonsorrow · February 2019

evoniee wrote: »

you know something called sneak ?

This.

If we have a zerg taking our keep like 30+ vs 4, and there is only that few of us, we sometimes hide inside to hit it from inside after the zerg is gone. Not our fault they are not looking for us but just fast running to zerg the next keep.

Sneaking and hiding tactically is a legit way if outnumbered badly.

And it works.

Logging out will get you spawn at your gate. Only when bad lag disconnects can happen crazy things.

Maybe try search the people you saw inside instead of immediately thinking they using some cheat?

kenjiblaster25 · February 2019

Moonsorrow wrote: »

evoniee wrote: »

you know something called sneak ?

This.

If we have a zerg taking our keep like 30+ vs 4, and there is only that few of us, we sometimes hide inside to hit it from inside after the zerg is gone. Not our fault they are not looking for us but just fast running to zerg the next keep.

Sneaking and hiding tactically is a legit way if outnumbered badly.

And it works.

Logging out will get you spawn at your gate. Only when bad lag disconnects can happen crazy things.

Maybe try search the people you saw inside instead of immediately thinking they using some cheat?

[edit] It’s been observed over 50 times in the last 3-4 campaigns. It’s not just on the spawn point. A group of AD players, including some with temporary bans for cheating, all appear on top of each other over a 1-2 min period, stacked behind statues.

[edited for flaming]

kenjiblaster25 · February 2019

Knootewoot wrote: »

kenjiblaster25 wrote: »

In pvp we are constantly seeking groups of players disappear, often reappearing after a keep flips. We assume they are cheating scum who either power off Xbox instantly or disconnect from router and reconnect, hoping they can cheat and retake the keep because they don’t have the basic skills to defend or take one contested.

ZeniMax - is this the game working as intended?

We did this on PC-EU a lot. Not by cheating... but if the battle went the wrong way a group op 12 would use the commotion to hide and sneak somewhere in a corner. Sometimes it failed. Most time it worked.

[edit]. They spawn back in over about a minute - it’s not a surprise attack from stealth.

White wabbit · February 2019

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kenjiblaster25 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

evoniee wrote: »

you know something called sneak ?

This.

If we have a zerg taking our keep like 30+ vs 4, and there is only that few of us, we sometimes hide inside to hit it from inside after the zerg is gone. Not our fault they are not looking for us but just fast running to zerg the next keep.

Sneaking and hiding tactically is a legit way if outnumbered badly.

And it works.

Logging out will get you spawn at your gate. Only when bad lag disconnects can happen crazy things.

Maybe try search the people you saw inside instead of immediately thinking they using some cheat?

Lol troll. It’s been observed over 50 times in the last 3-4 campaigns. It’s not just on the spawn point. A group of AD players, including some with temporary bans for cheating, all appear on top of each other over a 1-2 min period, stacked behind statues.

Yeah if it's going to be any faction it does seem to be Ad on xbox Eu

TequilaFire · February 2019

A group hiding is common practice. Logging out gets you the gate.
Please post your video of 50 times evidence exaggeration.

macsmooth · February 2019

That happens all the time when the game crashes on Xbox when your taking or defending a keep and by the time you reload the game you’ve either lost the ap from taking the keep or you spawn back in the middle of 50 enemy players who all welcome you with open knives

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · February 2019

This has been a thing since release. Logging out will get you out of the game but force closing does not depending on the duration of the log out.

kenjiblaster25 · February 2019

And yes, next time we’ve dealt with the cheaters I will try and clip it. It’s hard when you’re in the middle of a battle to stop a group of players killing you so you can soothe the curiosity of randoms

White wabbit · February 2019

I have seen but sadly didn't record 3 players that where under the keep door at warden, couldn't target or hit them ! Awhile later they got out from under the keep , so it is possible that some have found ways to glitch and exploit these

Katahdin · February 2019

If you're in combat you can't log out, unless you pull the Internet plug out of the wall or reboot your modem.

jaws343 · February 2019

kenjiblaster25 wrote: »

And yes, next time we’ve dealt with the cheaters I will try and clip it. It’s hard when you’re in the middle of a battle to stop a group of players killing you so you can soothe the curiosity of randoms

If you are going to come to the forums with insane accusations, you should probably bring actual proof. You should also try to not call everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Just because you think something is happening a certain way doesn't mean you are right. And if all you are trying to do is get a bunch of people to agree with you, go away.

Hallothiel · February 2019

If you get blue screened (usually in middle of big fight) on PS4 & disconnect but immediate log back in, you go back to where you were rather than one of the main gates.

Had it happen a couple of times - but when relog am usually dead on the floor if was in middle of fight - but if just near can log back in keep / wherever. So it can be done, just not sure how to do it deliberately - would mean yanking out internet cable or stupid hard machine shut down - neither of which can be good.

jaws343 · February 2019

kenjiblaster25 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

kenjiblaster25 wrote: »

And yes, next time we’ve dealt with the cheaters I will try and clip it. It’s hard when you’re in the middle of a battle to stop a group of players killing you so you can soothe the curiosity of randoms

If you are going to come to the forums with insane accusations, you should probably bring actual proof. You should also try to not call everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Just because you think something is happening a certain way doesn't mean you are right. And if all you are trying to do is get a bunch of people to agree with you, go away.

jaws343 wrote: »

kenjiblaster25 wrote: »

And yes, next time we’ve dealt with the cheaters I will try and clip it. It’s hard when you’re in the middle of a battle to stop a group of players killing you so you can soothe the curiosity of randoms

If you are going to come to the forums with insane accusations, you should probably bring actual proof. You should also try to not call everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Just because you think something is happening a certain way doesn't mean you are right. And if all you are trying to do is get a bunch of people to agree with you, go away.

I’m not trying to get toads to croak. I’m raising it to point out to the developers there’s a flaw. I’ve raised a ticket for it too. I’m uninterested in your approval.

Apparently you are interested in approval. Why else would you make a public forum post with outrageous claims. You claim to have seen this 50+ times and we are somehow supposed to take your word on it. You sound crazy because people who probably PVP far more than you have never seen this happen. Instead, we are all trying to tell you that what you are seeing is common lag disconnects. But no, you seem to have a need find nefariousness in every interaction you have apparently.

It's hard to take this discussion seriously when you are calling players who are AFK at towns cheaters:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454322/cheating-at-town-wayshrines#latest

oXI_Viper_IXo · February 2019

This is such a huge issue for you and it happens that often yet you never once thought to clip it? It's really easy to do so on Xbox. Have you any proof whatsoever that it's "cheating?" If you've already made a ticket, then what's the point of this thread? You are being unnecessarily combative to people who are just trying to understand what you're on about.

Raammzzaa · February 2019

kenjiblaster25 wrote: »

Raammzzaa wrote: »

What you describe is usually what happens when you lag out. Seen it many times, and have had it happen to me many times... one second we’re all fighting, the next gone and back again. I don’t think it’s anyone trying to cheat. Honestly, it’s a lot better than it used to be. Last year right after Summerset dropped this was a regular thing happening all the time for about a month. It’s improved now, but still happens sometimes.

It’s NOT lagging out- who is stupid enough to make a thread about that. This is large groups of players stacked and often hidden who disappear and then come back many minutes later

I’m pretty sure that you made a thread about it... 🤦‍♂️

Now post the video!