It would be boring as we wait for the boss to finish its laughable mechanic before it is burned down to the next hp threshold.

This change would only increase the time it takes to kill a boss, which will make it more boring.

You know what change I'd like to see ?

Damage Dealing is not the Master Class of the game. Damage Dealers who invest everything on dealing as much as they can and can't even be bothered to have self survival tools would be frowned upon. Tanks are actually tanks, not buff monkeys, with proper AoE aggro skills, and their job would be to make sure everyone else is saved from taking most damage. Healers have a support role, not just healing, and by support, I mean THEY are the buff monkeys. Even better, "support" is the 4th class, and they have the buff / debuff / crowd control tools, and I mean real crowd control, not those ridiculous skills that stun an enemy for 2 seconds and then he's immune for 7 seconds...

Basically, I guess I want to go back to the pre-WoW era...

ATomiX96 wrote: »

it would become *** boring as score runs are decided who has better clear on trash adds.

not everything is about "score runs". While going back to pre WOW may be a bit extreme good points by @Uryel overall. Sleeping/sheeping/ etc. would add another layer to what you need to do. Just running in and going pew pew does get old, quick....

I suppose it would depend on the fight. A healthy balance of dps races and mechanic driven fights would be nice.

My favorite boss mechanic in the game is the first boss in Vault's of Madness. Sure, you can burn through him... if you don't need a no death run!

Agenericname wrote: »

I suspect that it would have adverse effect on more casual players. Mechanics are the area where many struggle as is.

Actually, despite having almost 20 years worth of experience in MMOs, I consider myself rather casual. I mean, I never play any high end content and whatnot. I play the game to chill with my wife. We do dungeons and whatnot sometimes, but we can'tbe considered competitive in any way.

Mechanics are not the problem, when they are sensible. Anything as stupid as "if the boss doesn't die within 5 minutes, he will start dealing double damage) is NOT sensible. A sensible mechanic is one that lets people win if they are clever enough, not one that punishes low DPS and rewards learning super efficient rotations by heart.

And I personnaly think that THIS would be what has the most impact on casual players. Most of us can't be arsed performing top notch rotations. I consider myself especially good if I ger anything above 15k DPS on a dummy, and I'm at least 20k below what is considered minimum requirement for trials. My DPS sucks, basically.

Still, my medium armour wearing Bosme nightblade can hold her own without a healer against a good 2/3 world boss, and win solo. It will take her time, but she will win, because she's a good mix of devent sustain, not tank-level damage output (well, maybe tank level if you factor trials, but you should see MY tank level damage output ^^'), and self survival.

We casuals are scrubs when it comes to damage output. Any mechanic that requires to dish ludicrously high damage or else we're being punished, THAT is what has adverse effects on casual players. Being clever enough to roll around, stay alive through attacks that heal somewhat, and whittle it down slowly until the cavalry arrives or until the boss dies of old age, that's pretty easy

For those saying it would mean it would be a challenge not a burn-fest. It is a challenging to actually make the game a burn fest. If not everyone would be burning through all bosses, but they do not because they can not. Because getting your dps that high is not easy and not many are able to do it. The older content is where the burn fest occurs, as in most MMO old content is easier new content is harder. Then when new content comes out the devs make the old more accessible that along with power creep from cp and new sets keep this trend going.

If bosses then became unkillable after a certain health percentage and then did their mechanic. It would just be a yoyo of burn till mechanic wait burn wait burn wait. Not fun or satisfying. It is up to zos to continue to make varied mechanics in their new content which they have been very good at doing with the new 4 man content. And new trials. Look at vAS+2 and compare that to vSA world shaper. Those were just tank and spank now their is so much for the dps healer and tanks to do and be aware of. That even for the groups with the highest dps they still have to worry about mechanics.

So GG zos on fixing this problem without having to go and add artificial barriers to the games content.

Uryel wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

I suspect that it would have adverse effect on more casual players. Mechanics are the area where many struggle as is.

Actually, despite having almost 20 years worth of experience in MMOs, I consider myself rather casual. I mean, I never play any high end content and whatnot. I play the game to chill with my wife. We do dungeons and whatnot sometimes, but we can'tbe considered competitive in any way.

Mechanics are not the problem, when they are sensible. Anything as stupid as "if the boss doesn't die within 5 minutes, he will start dealing double damage) is NOT sensible. A sensible mechanic is one that lets people win if they are clever enough, not one that punishes low DPS and rewards learning super efficient rotations by heart.

And I personnaly think that THIS would be what has the most impact on casual players. Most of us can't be arsed performing top notch rotations. I consider myself especially good if I ger anything above 15k DPS on a dummy, and I'm at least 20k below what is considered minimum requirement for trials. My DPS sucks, basically.

Still, my medium armour wearing Bosme nightblade can hold her own without a healer against a good 2/3 world boss, and win solo. It will take her time, but she will win, because she's a good mix of devent sustain, not tank-level damage output (well, maybe tank level if you factor trials, but you should see MY tank level damage output ^^'), and self survival.

We casuals are scrubs when it comes to damage output. Any mechanic that requires to dish ludicrously high damage or else we're being punished, THAT is what has adverse effects on casual players. Being clever enough to roll around, stay alive through attacks that heal somewhat, and whittle it down slowly until the cavalry arrives or until the boss dies of old age, that's pretty easy

That's possibly because after 20 years of playing MMOs the competitve aspect starts to lose some of its appeal.

I'm only aware of one dungeon that truly needs high DPS to get through and even then its conditional. In the rest, high DPS serves to reduce the exposure, to mostly mechanics. Most of the dungeons in this game have mechanics that will allow for exactly what you have specified.

The fight that the OP is asking for already exists. It's in darkshade caverns 2, the squid. While I don't find it particularly difficult, it's not a wildly popular fight. On vet I would consider that the lower end of the middle tier dungeons or the high end of the lower tier dungeons.

MHK doesn't require an insane amount of DPS to clear it. It's the mechanics that are the issue. Whether or not they're sensible is another story, but it's not about ridiculously high numbers. I've gotten through a fair number of dungeons, on vet, including some of the DLCs, where the group's damage wasn't much higher than your own.

The community would be forced to adapt and as a result...would adapt !


The worst pve players would stick to overland questing and and Worldbosses only. They would queue for randoms dungeons after being kicked enough times.

The medium pve players would refrain from queuing for vet dlc but happily do anything less including normal dlc

the good pve players will prefer the harder content since it guarantees them playes of equal level after the initial adjustment phase. The incapable pve players that still try to sneak in to profit from a group but clearly unable to carry their weight would be kicked as they fail the mechanics and wipe the entire group, preventing progress.

Besides that most pve players would start improving their gameplay because they simply have to now, just as it used to be right after the game's release: Adapt and improve or "THOU SHALLT NOT PASS THIS GATE !"