I am not a Doomsday guy, however I do fear a little for the future

GLP323b14_ESO · February 2019

Console gamers aren't typically committed long term to games (on an MMO time scale) like PC gamers are.

Sylvermynx · February 2019

vamp_emily wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Never happen for me. First, I only have satellite - and NO ONE is going to run fiber and real broadband into here before I die (less than 100 full time residents). Second, if new games are VR only, I can't go there even if I had no lag....

Where do you live, Mars?

Some technology will be created that will enhance data transfers from satellite to your home.

I am visioning, In the future they will have dual fiber going into our houses and gamers will wear gaming suits for more real life interaction for the virtual world we live in. VR will be an option you switch off and on. It won't be mandatory.

Very small.... um.... tiny.... town in the US desert southwest. As I said, less than 100 full time resident families. 80 mile round trip from real shopping. Cleanest air and water in the country. We built here 35 years ago, and love living here - husband doesn't care that we don't have "real" broadband. I do of course (he has NO CLUE about tech.... and refuses to GET a clue; if I die tomorrow he'll have to wait until daughter gets here to even find out the bank balance - then again I'm probably going to outlive him by 30+ years). So really, Mars probably isn't much worse.

GLP323b14_ESO · February 2019

twisttop138 wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

In the era of participation awards, I wish I could agree with this.

I sure wish I knew where this participation trophy narrative came from. I hear it so much. I have a 12 year old girl and a 6 year old boy, and through much soccer and hockey and gymnastics, school science fairs and other things, never have I seen a participation trophy given to anyone. When they lost, they lost and tried to do better next time. So kinda curious, and off topic, but was this ever a real thing.

It's just the fake news they are exposed to from the people who are constantly calling real news "fake".

Or, as is often the case, this "news" will take some single isolated incident of something absurd or excessive going on, and tell their audience that it is representative of an entire ideological wing. And, given that their audience is not particularly fond of critical thinking or the scientific method (as a single anecdote is good enough evidence for them of widespread truth), they are easily persuaded by that actual fake/misleading 'news'.

And so you get... "We live in an era of 'participation trophies". Which, outside of T-ball (or other pre-K sports), I've never seen. Unless of course their whole problem is "We don't kick 4 and 5 year olds in the gonads like we did in the 'good old days' ".

Being they're in love with the King of cowardly bullies, that attitude actually wouldn't surprise me.

ezio45 · February 2019

Band?? Like the app?

People still use that?!?

Discord ppl .... Discord

NekoTashi · February 2019

Stop trying to predict the future and start living in the present lol. Anything can happen in the future.

CrimsonGTX · February 2019

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

I've seen a steady increase in the number of people moving from consoles to PC over the last year.

Yeah, I was one of them who ported over. I never used bandapp while on console so I can't comment on how active it's been.

Lylith · February 2019

GLP323b14_ESO wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

In the era of participation awards, I wish I could agree with this.

I sure wish I knew where this participation trophy narrative came from. I hear it so much. I have a 12 year old girl and a 6 year old boy, and through much soccer and hockey and gymnastics, school science fairs and other things, never have I seen a participation trophy given to anyone. When they lost, they lost and tried to do better next time. So kinda curious, and off topic, but was this ever a real thing.

It's just the fake news they are exposed to from the people who are constantly calling real news "fake".

Or, as is often the case, this "news" will take some single isolated incident of something absurd or excessive going on, and tell their audience that it is representative of an entire ideological wing. And, given that their audience is not particularly fond of critical thinking or the scientific method (as a single anecdote is good enough evidence for them of widespread truth), they are easily persuaded by that actual fake/misleading 'news'.

And so you get... "We live in an era of 'participation trophies". Which, outside of T-ball (or other pre-K sports), I've never seen. Unless of course their whole problem is "We don't kick 4 and 5 year olds in the gonads like we did in the 'good old days' ".

Being they're in love with the King of cowardly bullies, that attitude actually wouldn't surprise me.

odd, there's quite a bit of information available regarding participation trophies, pro and con, on the net.

i don't think they're all fake news.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-powers/science-says-participatio_b_8054046.html

https://news.jrn.msu.edu/2017/03/participation-trophies-becoming-a-hot-topic-in-terms-of-mental-health/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-new-you/201806/should-we-give-our-kids-participation-trophies

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/study-those-participation-trophies-arent-doing-kids-any-good

Beardimus · February 2019

Hallothiel wrote: »

Console player for stupid long time & no idea what Band App is. And never looked at gamerfaqs for eso (rarely look at Reddit). So maybe not so bad.

Guild in game has been growing with new players joining. Always seems busy when playing.

But bring on the usual doom & gloom In which the forum excels!

I agree, there are plenty of new players. Over Christmas you could really notice it, new folks in guild text chats, starter areas more population. People worry about X game killing ESO or what X streamer leaving the game will mean etc. It's over thinking it.

Just play the game, enjoy it. All good things come to an end eventually sure but we can't control it and honestly pop is fine for everything wanna do. Dungeons pop in a few minutes as do BGs, starter areas are busy trader guilds are full. Pvp has enough players the zergs are unhealthy.

wolf486 · February 2019

I find myself having a hard time getting back into the game, and once my ESO+ runs out I might just uninstall, however on PC at least I find the population better than ever

Mayrael · February 2019

What I wish ESO is all the best, but if they won't improve performance to handle all these players, if they don't fix game breaking bugs like stuck in combat, this game will have much worse time.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · February 2019

ArchMikem wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

I've seen a steady increase in the number of people moving from consoles to PC over the last year.

I'd say this, partly because I'm one of them.

Let me be blunt.

ESO does not run on consoles anymore. It went downhill after Morrowind.

Yeah it does?

Barely. Obviously I was exaggerating. If that has to be pointed out, well...

However as someone who has now played the game on both consoles and PC, let me assure you that the performance on console is, quite frankly, unacceptable.

Dominoid · February 2019

Azyle1 wrote: »

Other websites, such as Reddit, gamefaqs are not as active with their ESO related boards.

Reddit is the busiest it's been outside of Chapter release months.

idk · February 2019

Lyserus wrote: »

Well if you search ESO contents on Youtube and compare the like and view number with WOW channels, you'd think ESO is a tiny little game

It is inevitable that MMORPG lose the hype after few years and get into a stablized state, the fact we won all those best MMORPG rewards say nothing to worry about in near future

This comment does not make sense because compared to WoW it is a tiny game. While WoW is a behemoth, it is also a very old looking game. I think most that still play it have issues with playing more complex games like ESO. Heck, I know someone who's favorite game is FF and that is just as bad, if not worse.

Raammzzaa · February 2019

Azyle1 wrote: »

I have noticed a lack of activity on Band App for console players since the summer. Other websites, such as Reddit, gamefaqs are not as active with their ESO related boards.

And what makes me a little nervous was the lack of a collector's edition announcement . That, for whatever reason, makes me think that they just cannot afford to do that, hoping that this xpac can help stabilize them.

Again, I try to be very positive, but the past few weeks, I have been a little more nervous when thinking about this game's future than I did maybe in 2017 or so.

Not trying to argue, just interested in hearing other's opinions.

All of my guilds have migrated from Band to Discord. I still have the app, but ai might as well delete it since it has a fraction of the activity compared to Discord.

Jcarson0408 · February 2019

I think this game may very well pick up in popularity. The game has had massive improvements to this game from launch and since a lot of people have not played the game since the rocky at best launch, hence why the game isn't larger, but keeping in mind current events with the current "king" of the MMO market it is currently losing players due to unpopular design choices that developers of the game seem determined to keep in whether the players like them or not, in addition to that entire company falling apart, we may very well see an increase of players for this game as people abandon that one and search for another. It seems likely people now searching for a new MMO and hearing rumblings that this game is much better than it was at launch may give it a chance and could easily end up loving it. This game or Final Fantasy may very likely end up taking the crown of "king" MMO years after they were predicted to but failed due to an awful launch.

anonymousnobodyb14_ESO wrote: »

The lack of a physical collector's edition probably has a lot more to do with Bethesda (also owned by Zenimax) being currently sued over the whole Fallout 76 canvas/nylon bag thing in that collector's edition than anything having to do with the current health of ESO...

Not so sure about that, they have since agreed to release the product as advertised (Albeit later than they were supposed to.) So I don't think there even would be a case anymore though it could quite possibly be related. The fact they are planning to just sell items that normally would come as a collector's edition physical bonus does indicate it isn't that the company can't afford to make a physical version. It could be this, it could be because the game industry is seemingly moving away from physical copies of games. Could be one of them just had a wacky idea the rest of the dev team just went along with for some reason. (I doubt it's this.)

Raammzzaa · February 2019

Mr_Walker wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

ESO does not run on consoles anymore. It went downhill after Morrowind.

It doesn't? I thought I played on Xbox last night. Well, they DO say LSD comes back to haunt you years later....

Upgrading to the Xbox One X made a huge difference for me, personally. I spend most of my time in Cyrodiil and experience a fraction of the lag that I did before. I used to regularly freeze and disconnect and now only rarely. I upgraded my TV at the same time to a new 4K one, which the game looks great on.

papadog · February 2019

vamp_emily wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Never happen for me. First, I only have satellite - and NO ONE is going to run fiber and real broadband into here before I die (less than 100 full time residents). Second, if new games are VR only, I can't go there even if I had no lag....

Where do you live, Mars?

Some technology will be created that will enhance data transfers from satellite to your home.

I am visioning, In the future they will have dual fiber going into our houses and gamers will wear gaming suits for more real life interaction for the virtual world we live in. VR will be an option you switch off and on. It won't be mandatory.

I don't believe there is going to be any new technology in our lifetimes that will make radio waves travel faster than light.

BloodStorm · February 2019

I switched from PC to PS4 when it came out for console. Never will switch back unless they cancel it for consoles. The game is better and more immersive on console in my opinion and I enjoy how it plays. Wonder if it will work on Ps5. If so maybe will get it on that. Hopefully we get to see Western Skyrim before it ever goes offline. Morrowind expansion was and is beautiful. With the right lighting/ graphics settings on your TV/PC it's the best or among the top 2 best looking zones in the game. Literally Morrowind is a game itself and I think buying ESO just for Morrowind is worth it

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eso_lags · February 2019

Azyle1 wrote: »

I have noticed a lack of activity on Band App for console players since the summer. Other websites, such as Reddit, gamefaqs are not as active with their ESO related boards.

And what makes me a little nervous was the lack of a collector's edition announcement . That, for whatever reason, makes me think that they just cannot afford to do that, hoping that this xpac can help stabilize them.

Again, I try to be very positive, but the past few weeks, I have been a little more nervous when thinking about this game's future than I did maybe in 2017 or so.

Not trying to argue, just interested in hearing other's opinions.

Agreed. Console is treated like garbage by the devs. They will not acknowledge the severe difference in performance, optimization, and over all quality between console and PC. I am slowly trying to level up a character on PC NA, because it seems to be the only platform that works properly. And as a pvp player I cant pvp on xbox. Vivec is unplayable and shor is dead half the time. Sotha sil is dead all the time, and under lv 50 is not an option.

I think zos should offer people, willing to BUY the game again, a transfer to PC NA. Ideally i would like to see them fix some things on console, but thats never going to happen.

Another thing they should do is let you link your account on PC and console. And then let your eso plus work account wide. Its sad that while leveling this character on PC I would have to pay for eso plus again, or live without the craft bag and extra space.. Plus I already would be losing 3+ years of god knows how much stuff, both earned and purchased, just to have it sit on xbox and do nothing. Sad.

Isojukka · February 2019

eso_lags wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

I have noticed a lack of activity on Band App for console players since the summer. Other websites, such as Reddit, gamefaqs are not as active with their ESO related boards.

And what makes me a little nervous was the lack of a collector's edition announcement . That, for whatever reason, makes me think that they just cannot afford to do that, hoping that this xpac can help stabilize them.

Again, I try to be very positive, but the past few weeks, I have been a little more nervous when thinking about this game's future than I did maybe in 2017 or so.

Not trying to argue, just interested in hearing other's opinions.

Agreed. Console is treated like garbage by the devs. They will not acknowledge the severe difference in performance, optimization, and over all quality between console and PC. I am slowly trying to level up a character on PC NA, because it seems to be the only platform that works properly. And as a pvp player I cant pvp on xbox. Vivec is unplayable and shor is dead half the time. Sotha sil is dead all the time, and under lv 50 is not an option.

I think zos should offer people, willing to BUY the game again, a transfer to PC NA. Ideally i would like to see them fix some things on console, but thats never going to happen.

Another thing they should do is let you link your account on PC and console. And then let your eso plus work account wide. Its sad that while leveling this character on PC I would have to pay for eso plus again, or live without the craft bag and extra space.. Plus I already would be losing 3+ years of god knows how much stuff, both earned and purchased, just to have it sit on xbox and do nothing. Sad.

Microsoft won't allow that kind of transfer.

Welkynar · February 2019

Isojukka wrote: »

eso_lags wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

I have noticed a lack of activity on Band App for console players since the summer. Other websites, such as Reddit, gamefaqs are not as active with their ESO related boards.

And what makes me a little nervous was the lack of a collector's edition announcement . That, for whatever reason, makes me think that they just cannot afford to do that, hoping that this xpac can help stabilize them.

Again, I try to be very positive, but the past few weeks, I have been a little more nervous when thinking about this game's future than I did maybe in 2017 or so.

Not trying to argue, just interested in hearing other's opinions.

Agreed. Console is treated like garbage by the devs. They will not acknowledge the severe difference in performance, optimization, and over all quality between console and PC. I am slowly trying to level up a character on PC NA, because it seems to be the only platform that works properly. And as a pvp player I cant pvp on xbox. Vivec is unplayable and shor is dead half the time. Sotha sil is dead all the time, and under lv 50 is not an option.

I think zos should offer people, willing to BUY the game again, a transfer to PC NA. Ideally i would like to see them fix some things on console, but thats never going to happen.

Another thing they should do is let you link your account on PC and console. And then let your eso plus work account wide. Its sad that while leveling this character on PC I would have to pay for eso plus again, or live without the craft bag and extra space.. Plus I already would be losing 3+ years of god knows how much stuff, both earned and purchased, just to have it sit on xbox and do nothing. Sad.

Microsoft won't allow that kind of transfer.

But Microsoft has that "Play Anywhere" thing where certain games you buy you can play on Xbox or PC without losing data.

Grandma · February 2019

i'm not worried about ESO. they've only been increasing player numbers. Reddit is super active, idk what you mean. It's actually nicer compared to here because this is where everyone goes to complain, whereas most people go to reddit to celebrate. thought i'd catch some interesting discussions here but...

anyways, I've seen a HUGE influx of noobs on pc. it's also partially because all those console players who are dropping the game are doing so to move to pc. I know 7 guildies personally who did that within the past 2 months alone, from one guild i'm a part of with 30 people. it's not uncommon at all.

eso_lags · February 2019

Isojukka wrote: »

eso_lags wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

I have noticed a lack of activity on Band App for console players since the summer. Other websites, such as Reddit, gamefaqs are not as active with their ESO related boards.

And what makes me a little nervous was the lack of a collector's edition announcement . That, for whatever reason, makes me think that they just cannot afford to do that, hoping that this xpac can help stabilize them.

Again, I try to be very positive, but the past few weeks, I have been a little more nervous when thinking about this game's future than I did maybe in 2017 or so.

Not trying to argue, just interested in hearing other's opinions.

Agreed. Console is treated like garbage by the devs. They will not acknowledge the severe difference in performance, optimization, and over all quality between console and PC. I am slowly trying to level up a character on PC NA, because it seems to be the only platform that works properly. And as a pvp player I cant pvp on xbox. Vivec is unplayable and shor is dead half the time. Sotha sil is dead all the time, and under lv 50 is not an option.

I think zos should offer people, willing to BUY the game again, a transfer to PC NA. Ideally i would like to see them fix some things on console, but thats never going to happen.

Another thing they should do is let you link your account on PC and console. And then let your eso plus work account wide. Its sad that while leveling this character on PC I would have to pay for eso plus again, or live without the craft bag and extra space.. Plus I already would be losing 3+ years of god knows how much stuff, both earned and purchased, just to have it sit on xbox and do nothing. Sad.

Microsoft won't allow that kind of transfer.

Wrong