eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

Galen15 wrote: »

Does anyone here have any historical background who could tell us if any armor IRL ever had such hip flaps? Does it have any functional basis?

Actually yes, many armors used to have "sideskirts" and they did serve important purpose: to protect your hip joint and pelvis from shattering damage (imagine an axe hit from the side, for example). Even today, those are extremely difficult fractures to mend - and back in medieval times, when the medicine was a lot lousier than today, such an injury meant that you will never walk again.



Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the realism. I just don't consider it strictly necessary, considering that many other aspects of the game are very much non-realistic (for example, most ESO bow designs would be more useful as a blunt weapon).

You are referring here to a KNIGHT armour, which was fighting from a horse. The armour is designed and constructed for horseback combat. That's why it does not have a crotch guard, like some of the infantry units. If you are referring to a historical context, then each period and geographic location has its own armour types and set-ups because the way armours were made and used, reflected the type of weapons they had to protect from. So they were very much linked to how warfare was carried in that time.

The side guards on the hips legs were to protect the knight from spear or sword blows. Some armours even protected the legs completely. Armour like the one pictures was extremely expensive so only a noble or king could afford such a suit. Most knights were not able to get a full suit in their combat life. Also the 14-15th century armours had 3 layers.. the one you see, under that the knight would wear chain mail or leather, and under the chain, he would have some gambeson which was a padded clothing designed to absorb heavy blows from blunt weapons. The chain was to stop piercing weapons, like arrows, or warhammer (which had a tip like a pick-axe). The armor plate alone was not strong enough to stop all those, it was meant to deflect blows.

Infantry had armour in a similar way, but it was lighter, and you can see the crotch and hips were protected evenly with gambeson and chainmail. Some mercenaries or regular armies had plate armour for their troops, but this was very expensive.



So, even if ESO is a fantasy game, the armour has to look useful (like it is meant to protect) or because it is a game, to look fun, fashionable, unique, magical. The floating hips don't serve as any of this... there is some magic to them since they float, but they look silly and for me they are breaking the immersion.

What I really don't like are the flaps for cloth armour, which really serve no purpose. At times I believe the designers imagined these flaps to be some sort of "anchor" for side weapons, like daggers or swords, but the cloth wearers use a staff, which "magically" floats on their backs. One of the styles I really like, the Psijic, has some useless flaps on the side, which serve no purpose for a psijic monk. Cloth armour should be more decorative rather than to look protective. I hope to see more creative and fun cloth armours with Elseweyr.

Hip armour makes sense on armour. Adding hip plates to a robe doesn't.

And the obsession continues to where the Fang Lair armours have books dangling at the hips instead of functional plates, just because they can't leave that location unoccupied. There's probably a genuine reason, such as covering seams between slots, but I can't see how actual belts, instead of just buckles, wouldn't have that aspect covered (pun intended). If you want to hide a waist seam, give us belts that do so. If you want to add hip ornamentation, hang it off that belt, so we can choose a belt with or without it. And then give us "hide belt", too.

YOB wrote: »

Hips don't lie

Years back this pic may have been arousing but when I see it now as I get older all I can think of is that if I tried that I'd find a way to pull that muscle in my back I'm prone to pulling once a year that lays me up for a few days.

Ohtimbar wrote: »

Agreed. We need toggles for hip flaps and crotch flaps. They're painfully tacky.

We may dream of such things... :sigh:

I like the hip flaps. Can guys stop giving their opinions on things then saying their opinion is universal?

You can't just say your thought is universal and watch it become so. Your thoughts and words don't dictate reality.

They were supposed to mitigate 50% fall damage- Hasn't worked P

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Need option to hide

Actually i wrote just remove them, but that was a bit dumb ;D I agree, an option to hide would be the best, since they can be the crown or the death of an outfit.

I agree. I haven't bought any ESO products recently because I wan't them to implement the "hide tasset" option. I won't be buying any ESO products until they do. If they don't implement it, I guess I will never buy another ESO product. this includes the elsweyr chapter or dlc or whatever you want to call it. I didn't buy the clockwork DLC, and I make as few crown purchases as possible. In the future I am expecting to not make any crown purchases because the more and more I look at the "cool new stuff" in the crown store, the less and less interested in anything offered I am. the abilities the necromancer has, by themselves, arent so interesting to make the DLC or chapter worth it. many classes and skill trees have a "shoot a buff zone on the floor, when standing in buff zone, get a buff" and many have a "shoot a damage over time zone on the floor, when enemies stand in the DOT zone, they take damage" and Sorcerer and dragonknight both have "put on super cool armor and get a buff" abilities so anything the necromancer can do, the dragonknight and sorcerer do something similar. If ESO wants my business from here on. they will have to put in that hide tassets and butt/crotch flaps option.

I do wish I could hide hip and shoulder pieces, but I'm more bothered by the fact that they always float inches away from my characters.

I presume that the bone weights on the floaty-pieces (non-technical term) don't match the weights on any of the clothing vertices underneath, so they're able to drift apart or collide, and they chose to err on the side of drifting apart.

Those flaps that everyone complains about are actually on real armor. Although they are attached to the chest piece and hang down as an attempt to keep your legs from being chopped off at the hip. Que Monty Python’s Holly Grail. “It’s just a flesh wound”.
These flaps were found on armor from samurai to knights of the crusade. It was standard equipment on armor found around the globe. After all nobody wants their legs hacked off or their pelvis broken not to mention the veins and large muscles that are exposed in that area! So yes they are there for a reason. They are just not attached quite right in the game, so use your imagination.