Hips on Armor: Let's Get Serious

Galen15

All right, developers: It seems pretty universal that the players absolutely hate those hip flaps on the armor.

Time to redesign them and make everyone happy.

What is it going to take?

KhajiitFelix

They will add it as a 60$ dlc.

Banana

Yes. The anti gravity on many needs to end. Im all for removal. Or at least the option

Tabbycat

I think hip flaps are to ESO what giant shoulders were to WoW.

Everyone hates them but we're used to it by now.

I just wear hip flapless armor (Abah's Watch).

Chronocidal

Tabbycat wrote: »

I think hip flaps are to ESO what giant shoulders were to WoW.

Everyone hates them but we're used to it by now.

I just wear hip flapless armor (Abah's Watch).

Using a female character in ESO brings back a lot of WoW shoulder trauma

Earrindo

Ideally they would add a toggle in the outfit station, that would make everybody happy.

Ohtimbar

Agreed. We need toggles for hip flaps and crotch flaps. They're painfully tacky.

ShadowHvo

#NoMoreFlaps!

kind_hero

They started going in a good direction with the outfit pages (which you can buy with event tickets) that leaves many options for the future. We need more pages like that with simple pieces, like chest piece without flaps, invisible shoulders or very small ones, like the honour guard shoulders, unique weapons, and so on.

I started to give up on outfits, because I need to find a shoulder that is not ridiculous, a chest without huge floating flaps, belts, gloves, etc... and started using costumes more. To be honest I don't mind the flaps, but I dislike the ones that float. The flaps might give some protection for medium/heavy armor, but for robes, I don't see their purpose. You have crotch flaps for the redguard robe.. what is the point?

Nestor

There are a few chest pieces that don't have those flaps, Order of the Hour is one, that also go with most every other armor out there. So, I use that.

I bet performance in Cyrodiil would improve if they didn't have to render those flipping flippity flaps.

Tapio75

Tabbycat wrote: »

I think hip flaps are to ESO what giant shoulders were to WoW.

Everyone hates them but we're used to it by now.

I just wear hip flapless armor (Abah's Watch).

Nonono.. They serve a purpose.

Do you know how planes can fly slower when they land? They use flaps to extend wing size.

The armor flaps help to slow down the fall when we jump to the well or from a mountain so we dont die. The huge shoulders in WOW served the same purpose. They worked as wings.

Yes. I want an option to hide them if i so choose. Some like them so removal is not an option, but hiding them should be easy enough to make as they are separate from the armor itself.

Besides why cant we use the clothes we steal as a outfit style?

kind_hero wrote: »

I started to give up on outfits, because I need to find a shoulder that is not ridiculous, a chest without huge floating flaps, belts, gloves, etc... and started using costumes more. To be honest I don't mind the flaps, but I dislike the ones that float. The flaps might give some protection for medium/heavy armor, but for robes, I don't see their purpose. You have crotch flaps for the redguard robe.. what is the point?

You seem to be driven to the direction ZOS wants. More bad options in outfit system sells more costumes.. Costumes are sometimes an option, but i dont find many of them very well done. Colors go to wrong places and they have too few color slots. 3 is not enough for a costume.

Kuramas9tails

I am more bothered by strips that go down the middle and back. It's like I have a junk and butt flap just in case something goes wrong.

Vaerth

Galen15 wrote: »

All right, developers: It seems pretty universal that the players absolutely hate those hip flaps on the armor.

Time to redesign them and make everyone happy.

What is it going to take?

They are really annoying, I must say. They do not bother me a ton, but their removal would be welcomed. Or, at least, an option to hide them would be nice.

Galen15

There are so many otherwise attractive pieces that we have to avoid because of these pieces. It really is a shame.

I would think that toggling them on and off would be more work for a re-design than simply eliminating them. Who wants them on? Anybody?

Does anyone here have any historical background who could tell us if any armor IRL ever had such hip flaps? Does it have any functional basis?

In terms of the crotch flaps, I can see a functional basis for them. When I first took tactical training over a decade ago there was firing with real guns but ammo replaced with wax-based bullets. The things left nasty bruises even through a few layers of clothing, and some even bled and left marks I could see a year later. Some of the gentlemen in the class wore towels hanging down from their belts and when I asked them why, they either turned red or outright guffawed and said something about "protection". And this was even with athletic protectors in place. Apparently the loose-hanging towel absorbed impact.

So -- even though they are ugly, and swing dangling in the breeze, perhaps the crotch flaps could be at least optional, at least on male characters...

Tigerseye

Nestor wrote: »

There are a few pants that don't have those flaps, Order of the Hour is one, that also go with most every other armor out there. So, I use that.

I bet performance in Cyrodiil would improve if they didn't have to render those flipping flippity flaps.

They're not actually on the pants - even though they sit on the hips, so you would think they would be - they're a part of the chests.

Only hip flaps I quite like, so far, are the ones on the light, Dead-Water chest and that is only because they look more like pockets than floating hip guards.

In general, you need to be able to hide them, as you do belt buckles and shoulders.

Jthomas56

Haters gonna hate, but flaps are great!

Tigerseye

Tabbycat wrote: »

I think hip flaps are to ESO what giant shoulders were to WoW.

Everyone hates them but we're used to it by now.

I just wear hip flapless armor (Abah's Watch).

Yeah, but think how many more options you would have if you could hide them?

Datthaw

I mean they are a real thing. Just look up tasset.

But yeah the anti gravity and the size is rather ugly.

EvilAutoTech

They aren't going anywhere on existing armor styles. The best we can hope for is that they will leave them off future styles.

SirCassiusClay

Let us hide hip flaps and shoulders.

barney2525

Nestor wrote: »

There are a few pants that don't have those flaps, Order of the Hour is one, that also go with most every other armor out there. So, I use that.

I bet performance in Cyrodiil would improve if they didn't have to render those flipping flippity flaps.

usually the hip flap is off the chest piece, not the pants. I got pants that are fine. Its the chest pieces that bring in the flaps.

Nestor

Tigerseye wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

There are a few pants that don't have those flaps, Order of the Hour is one, that also go with most every other armor out there. So, I use that.

I bet performance in Cyrodiil would improve if they didn't have to render those flipping flippity flaps.

They're not actually on the pants - even though they sit on the hips, so you would think they would be - they're a part of the chests.

Only hip flaps I quite like, so far, are the ones on the light, Dead-Water chest and that is only because they look more like pockets than floating hip guards.

In general, you need to be able to hide them, as you do belt buckles and shoulders.

You right, they are on the chest. However, the Order chest does not have this.

rexagamemnon

I say make hip and crotch flaps interchangable like the rest of the armor on the outfit/transmog system with the option to remove them completely

Ragged_Claw

I'm no fan of dangly flaps but I don't mind having my crotch covered as some of those pants are uhhhgly.

eklhaftb16_ESO

I wouldn't even mind them, if they weren't causing such obvious visual glitches.

Some clipping while mixing and matching different motifs is understandable, though not welcome; however, when parts belonging to the same motif are clipping with each other, it's obvious that something needs to change.

How hard could it be to give us a switch to make these flappy parts invisible?

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Toggle would certainly be appreciated.

Personally I quite like them on my Imperial armour, but I only speak for myself, of course.

A toggle means that everyone wins.

lardvader

SirCassiusClay wrote: »

Let us hide hip flaps and shoulders.

YES!

Shoulders most important as there are a few nice armors without flipflops. Anyway more options is always nice.

Camb0Sl1ce

I personally like them

SkillzMFG

I like them!

Ilithyania

would not mind seen those hip flaps gone.

ghastley

The flaps are definitely part of the ESO standard style, as they appear even on the costumes. e.g.
At least in the sewn-in cases, they don't float.

I've never understood why they're part of chest slot, and not waist. Doing the latter, and giving us a general "hide slot" in the outfit system could fix a lot of birds with one stone.