Elemental Weapon Time Extension

ScruffyWhiskers · February 2019

Is there any chance of adding a few seconds on to the time limit for this skill so that it is more in line with the empower buff?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2019

Eleweapon has that time limit to stop being used with heavys. Though thinking about it, they could just make the skill only proc on light attacks, like some of the sets currently in the game

itsfatbass · February 2019

It already has a 2 second duration. If you haven't fired a light attack by then, extending the duration will not help your dps.

_Ahala_ · February 2019

It doesn’t proc on heavy attacks... only light attacks

SaintSubwayy · February 2019

you can also proc the eleweapon dmg, when casting Ele weapon AFTER the LA has landed.

Just go to a dummy, make a LA and the use eleweapon, you'll have a approx 2-4s timewindow to cast it, super easy IMO

2-4s is the numbermy freinds said you could still get the dmg from ele weapon, I didnt test it myself to such a degree that I can guarantee you the time

Dracane · February 2019

This kind of functionality is the reason elemental weapons is so weird for me and why I prefer force pulse. You can't use it with medium heavy attacks, which would help in pvp. And the duration is really short.

NyassaV · February 2019

Dracane wrote: »

This kind of functionality is the reason elemental weapons is so weird for me and why I prefer force pulse. You can't use it with medium heavy attacks, which would help in pvp. And the duration is really short.

medium heavy attacks are a DPS loss in PvE and are useless in PvP (as of the Morrowind patch)

Dracane · February 2019

@NyassaV

That is wrong. As a Sorcerer, they are my only source for comfortable stuns and a medium heavy attack has the exact same damage as a master staff destructive reach. Players are off balance all the time and take more damage from medium heavies than from light attacks.

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

you can also proc the eleweapon dmg, when casting Ele weapon AFTER the LA has landed.

Just go to a dummy, make a LA and the use eleweapon, you'll have a approx 2-4s timewindow to cast it, super easy IMO

2-4s is the numbermy freinds said you could still get the dmg from ele weapon, I didnt test it myself to such a degree that I can guarantee you the time

As for me this is only way to use this skill on ranged attacks, it even feels more fluid. On the other hand it shows how broken this game is, i mean projectile travel time is so big that you have time to cast quite long animation of eleweapon and that attack will count as LA.

ToRelax · February 2019

Increasing the animation means it becomes a delayed damage skill that almost no one can afford to pass up on.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Eleweapon has that time limit to stop being used with heavys. Though thinking about it, they could just make the skill only proc on light attacks, like some of the sets currently in the game

It specifies it only works with light attacks. There's no way to test it, but why assume otherwise?

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

you can also proc the eleweapon dmg, when casting Ele weapon AFTER the LA has landed.

Just go to a dummy, make a LA and the use eleweapon, you'll have a approx 2-4s timewindow to cast it, super easy IMO

2-4s is the numbermy freinds said you could still get the dmg from ele weapon, I didnt test it myself to such a degree that I can guarantee you the time

As for me this is only way to use this skill on ranged attacks, it even feels more fluid. On the other hand it shows how broken this game is, i mean projectile travel time is so big that you have time to cast quite long animation of eleweapon and that attack will count as LA.

You don't need to complete the animation to have the skill fire off.

Sinolai · February 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

you can also proc the eleweapon dmg, when casting Ele weapon AFTER the LA has landed.

Just go to a dummy, make a LA and the use eleweapon, you'll have a approx 2-4s timewindow to cast it, super easy IMO

2-4s is the numbermy freinds said you could still get the dmg from ele weapon, I didnt test it myself to such a degree that I can guarantee you the time

As for me this is only way to use this skill on ranged attacks, it even feels more fluid. On the other hand it shows how broken this game is, i mean projectile travel time is so big that you have time to cast quite long animation of eleweapon and that attack will count as LA.

The Ele-weapon damage is actually applied immediately, before the animation even starts. That's what makes it so odd.

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

ToRelax wrote: »

Increasing the animation means it becomes a delayed damage skill that almost no one can afford to pass up on.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Eleweapon has that time limit to stop being used with heavys. Though thinking about it, they could just make the skill only proc on light attacks, like some of the sets currently in the game

It specifies it only works with light attacks. There's no way to test it, but why assume otherwise?

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

you can also proc the eleweapon dmg, when casting Ele weapon AFTER the LA has landed.

Just go to a dummy, make a LA and the use eleweapon, you'll have a approx 2-4s timewindow to cast it, super easy IMO

2-4s is the numbermy freinds said you could still get the dmg from ele weapon, I didnt test it myself to such a degree that I can guarantee you the time

As for me this is only way to use this skill on ranged attacks, it even feels more fluid. On the other hand it shows how broken this game is, i mean projectile travel time is so big that you have time to cast quite long animation of eleweapon and that attack will count as LA.

You don't need to complete the animation to have the skill fire off.

This is obvious, but only way to cancel this animation completely is bar swap and if you pre-cast it, then bar swap and only then make LA in the moment when projectile will hit target, eleweapon may already end. Just tested it, it's like 0.1-0.2s of eleweapon left when LA hits after bar swap. Basically the bigger the distance the higher chance to waste it completely. Meanwhile, making LA and then eleweapon and then barswap works always.
First time when i started using and pre-casting it, i felt like this skill is complete trash or something wrong is with my connection or PC. Then on forum i read that you may send LA and then cast eleweapon, and this works like charm.

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

Sinolai wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

you can also proc the eleweapon dmg, when casting Ele weapon AFTER the LA has landed.

Just go to a dummy, make a LA and the use eleweapon, you'll have a approx 2-4s timewindow to cast it, super easy IMO

2-4s is the numbermy freinds said you could still get the dmg from ele weapon, I didnt test it myself to such a degree that I can guarantee you the time

As for me this is only way to use this skill on ranged attacks, it even feels more fluid. On the other hand it shows how broken this game is, i mean projectile travel time is so big that you have time to cast quite long animation of eleweapon and that attack will count as LA.

The Ele-weapon damage is actually applied immediately, before the animation even starts. That's what makes it so odd.

It applies in the timeframe when LA hits the target. Basically it works like short and powerful empower, that's all. So it is not applied to target, it's applied to caster. And of course this is odd, cause it's energy should be in projectile, not in caster. But this is ZOS and ESO and all the kind of nonsense like bow LA which is so short that in reality arrow will just fall on the ground from such small amplitude of bowstring.

NyassaV · February 2019

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

That is wrong. As a Sorcerer, they are my only source for comfortable stuns and a medium heavy attack has the exact same damage as a master staff destructive reach. Players are off balance all the time and take more damage from medium heavies than from light attacks.

no just... I give up. Use a real stun

Wuuffyy · February 2019

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Eleweapon has that time limit to stop being used with heavys. Though thinking about it, they could just make the skill only proc on light attacks, like some of the sets currently in the game

Lol. In the tooltip it clearly states LA only. People like this. Yea the mag morph is fine stam one needs to be 3 seconds

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · February 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Eleweapon has that time limit to stop being used with heavys. Though thinking about it, they could just make the skill only proc on light attacks, like some of the sets currently in the game

Lol. In the tooltip it clearly states LA only. People like this. Yea the mag morph is fine stam one needs to be 3 seconds

_Ahala_ wrote: »

It doesn’t proc on heavy attacks... only light attacks

Reading it closer, you guys are right, I never used the skill, I cant light attack weave to save my life, so thank you for the insight.

Dracane · February 2019

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

That is wrong. As a Sorcerer, they are my only source for comfortable stuns and a medium heavy attack has the exact same damage as a master staff destructive reach. Players are off balance all the time and take more damage from medium heavies than from light attacks.

no just... I give up. Use a real stun

I have none.

And I will not use a master staff. Streak is okay, but more used to annoy enemies, it is not a good combo setup.
Medium heavy attacks work greatly if your setup is right. However, why even bother explaining this to you ? These little pieces of knowledge are what keep me going since years and allow me to split myself from the mainstream.

Torbschka · February 2019

Dracane wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

That is wrong. As a Sorcerer, they are my only source for comfortable stuns and a medium heavy attack has the exact same damage as a master staff destructive reach. Players are off balance all the time and take more damage from medium heavies than from light attacks.

no just... I give up. Use a real stun

I have none. And I will not use a master staff. Streak is okay, but more used to annoy enemies, it is not a good combo setup.
Medium heavy attacks work greatly if your setup is right. However, why even bother explaining this to you ? These little pieces of knowledge are what keep me going since years and allow me to split myself from the mainstream.

@Dracane Hey, could U explain that? U set some1 Off Balance with medium lighning staff attacks? And then stun Thema with what, a heavy Attack? Does that work in no CP and also on a Warden, since I only Play No CP?

Dracane · February 2019

Torbschka wrote: »

plain that? U set some1 Off Balance with medium lighning staff attacks? And then stun Thema with what, a heavy Attack? Does that work in no CP and also on a Warden, since I only Play No CP?

@Torbschka
No. I concuss them with shock effects, then they are set off balance by my wall of shock and then I just do a medium heavy attack with my fire staff instead of a light attack and combine it with my curse, spammable or whatever.

Torbschka · February 2019

Dracane wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

plain that? U set some1 Off Balance with medium lighning staff attacks? And then stun Thema with what, a heavy Attack? Does that work in no CP and also on a Warden, since I only Play No CP?

@Torbschka
No. I concuss them with shock effects, then they are set off balance by my wall of shock and then I just do a medium heavy attack with my fire staff instead of a light attack and combine it with my curse, spammable or whatever.

And they get stuned by that medium fire staff Attack? Does that work on No CP top?

Dracane · February 2019

Torbschka wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

plain that? U set some1 Off Balance with medium lighning staff attacks? And then stun Thema with what, a heavy Attack? Does that work in no CP and also on a Warden, since I only Play No CP?

@Torbschka
No. I concuss them with shock effects, then they are set off balance by my wall of shock and then I just do a medium heavy attack with my fire staff instead of a light attack and combine it with my curse, spammable or whatever.

And they get stuned by that medium fire staff Attack? Does that work on No CP top?

Yes, they do and yes it works in no CP and battle grounds as well. It is a basic game mechanic. It works against NPCs too.

NyassaV · February 2019

Dracane wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

That is wrong. As a Sorcerer, they are my only source for comfortable stuns and a medium heavy attack has the exact same damage as a master staff destructive reach. Players are off balance all the time and take more damage from medium heavies than from light attacks.

no just... I give up. Use a real stun

I have none. And I will not use a master staff. Streak is okay, but more used to annoy enemies, it is not a good combo setup.
Medium heavy attacks work greatly if your setup is right. However, why even bother explaining this to you ? These little pieces of knowledge are what keep me going since years and allow me to split myself from the mainstream.

Streak is amazing

Dracane · February 2019

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

That is wrong. As a Sorcerer, they are my only source for comfortable stuns and a medium heavy attack has the exact same damage as a master staff destructive reach. Players are off balance all the time and take more damage from medium heavies than from light attacks.

no just... I give up. Use a real stun

I have none. And I will not use a master staff. Streak is okay, but more used to annoy enemies, it is not a good combo setup.
Medium heavy attacks work greatly if your setup is right. However, why even bother explaining this to you ? These little pieces of knowledge are what keep me going since years and allow me to split myself from the mainstream.

Streak is amazing

It definately is. I wouldn't want to miss it.
However as I said, it is not a good combo setup like flame reach for example. Flame reach is easily combined with crystal fragments. Streak, due to its very functionality, doesn't really work that way.

I am surprised though, that someone like you knows the potential of streak. Isn't any mainstream sorcerer using ball of lightning because they are afraid to get hit ?

Wuuffyy · February 2019

What not talking about streak here.

NyassaV · February 2019

Dracane wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

That is wrong. As a Sorcerer, they are my only source for comfortable stuns and a medium heavy attack has the exact same damage as a master staff destructive reach. Players are off balance all the time and take more damage from medium heavies than from light attacks.

no just... I give up. Use a real stun

I have none. And I will not use a master staff. Streak is okay, but more used to annoy enemies, it is not a good combo setup.
Medium heavy attacks work greatly if your setup is right. However, why even bother explaining this to you ? These little pieces of knowledge are what keep me going since years and allow me to split myself from the mainstream.

Streak is amazing

It definately is. I wouldn't want to miss it.
However as I said, it is not a good combo setup like flame reach for example. Flame reach is easily combined with crystal fragments. Streak, due to its very functionality, doesn't really work that way.

I am surprised though, that someone like you knows the potential of streak. Isn't any mainstream sorcerer using ball of lightning because they are afraid to get hit ?

I like stunning 6 people