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Eiron77 wrote: »

"ZOS saw these concerns and would work on creating more options/systems for stealth gameplay outside of race.". forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456997/class-reps-update-meeting-notes-jan-30-2019/p1

Zos to Bosmer players, “Don’t worry, we will fix it later. Soon-ish... Someday... Down the road... When, um, we get to it... We have it on a whiteboard in someone’s office, we promise... Just don’t ask when or how... Tell you what we’ll do it after we finish all the other pressing changes, ok?”

Eiron77 wrote: »

After thinking about it even more, I felt this issue deserves a poll. Especially after the Jan.30th Class Reps Update & Meeting notes where their response to our feedback was, "ZOS saw these concerns and would work on creating more options/systems for stealth gameplay outside of race.". -forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456997/class-reps-update-meeting-notes-jan-30-2019/p1

What were the options you were going to provide? Even without a poll mechanic we can discuss solutions to the problem.
My proposed solution is at: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5804607#Comment_5804607

In short, it would be to move 2m of hiding bonus to the legerdemain skill 'Improved Hiding' so everyone would have access to it at .5m per level of the skill; put a fixed 1m hiding bonus on the Bosmer skill 'Acrobat'; scale back the Khajiit hiding bonus (which would be on top of the legerdemain bonus) to .5/1/2m. This would meet the goals that the devs had listed: stealth would be more open to everyone, the Khajiit and Bosmer skills would be distinct, and part of the current bonus would be preserved for both.

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Eiron77 wrote: »

"ZOS saw these concerns and would work on creating more options/systems for stealth gameplay outside of race.". forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456997/class-reps-update-meeting-notes-jan-30-2019/p1

Zos to Bosmer players, “Don’t worry, we will fix it later. Soon-ish... Someday... Down the road... When, um, we get to it... We have it on a whiteboard in someone’s office, we promise... Just don’t ask when or how... Tell you what we’ll do it after we finish all the other pressing changes, ok?”

frost magic is on that board.

LoL, stop trolling, frost Magic is OP as it is, and with ice conjurer it Will get out of hands

What were the options you were going to provide? Even without a poll mechanic we can discuss solutions to the problem.
My proposed solution is at: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5804607#Comment_5804607

In short, it would be to move 2m of hiding bonus to the legerdemain skill 'Improved Hiding' so everyone would have access to it at .5m per level of the skill; put a fixed 1m hiding bonus on the Bosmer skill 'Acrobat'; scale back the Khajiit hiding bonus (which would be on top of the legerdemain bonus) to .5/1/2m. This would meet the goals that the devs had listed: stealth would be more open to everyone, the Khajiit and Bosmer skills would be distinct, and part of the current bonus would be preserved for both.

Options were a simple Yes/No. That's fine for your separate discussion, but the inspiration for this poll was due to the large number of comments I've seen in the Public Test Server forums to replace the stealth detection passive with a more useful bonus that improves stealth. The idea was to condense that feedback because it seems so far ZOS is ignoring it. But alas, for whatever reason, the poll failed to load.

I agree, situational niche racial passives need to go.

The problem is, you have 5 years of an established playerbase making wood elves and khajits as stealth characters due to their racials. ESO made an entire justice system for stealth player's--further solidifying these races and players into stealth characters.

Adding a new system to increase one's stealth for any race is fine, as they announced for some future, unknown date... But to completely pull the stealth benefits from one race and not the other is going to be quite upsetting for a lot of players. It already is on these forums.

As the PTS build currently stands, a stealth racial that actually benefits stealth needs to be added to Bosmers.


Stealth discussion aside, I personally dislike a racial being tied to an ability that costs 3.6k stamina to cast, and is only cast situationally.... Wait, isn't this the same problem as stated above?

The movement speed after a roll dodge is not all that great, especially when one can already get the same thing from the bow skill line. I don't want to cast 3.6k stam for a small added benefit. If they want to add a utility racial, that's fine, but they really need to come up with something more creative and way more thought out.

If they really cannot think of something better, I'd prefer a roll dodge racial like this:

Your next roll dodge costs no stamina and increases your movement speed by x%. This ability has an internal cool down of X seconds..
(If no stamina seems too high, then reduced by 50%).

- Add a small, flat increase to crit dmg/healing or to wpn/spl pen that is not tied to the roll dodge casting.

This makes it feel like a natural choice rather than a high cost, resource intensive decision.

I feel sorry for teasing the devs "i'm a bosmer, my passives underperform to any other race, u can't nerf me".