Free crown crates remind me why I won’t buy crown crates.

Yagorn · November 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I've never bought a loot box, but I know people who have spent thousands of dollars on them. Their addiction helps keep the servers running.

So now taking advantage of people's addictions is justifiable as long as they keep your entretainment going.

Smh...

Doctordarkspawn · November 2017

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

This is why the game needs to go back to subs only. They could then eliminate Crown Crates and make everything purchasable with Crowns. They would make more money (I'm guessing) and we might even get a more mature player-base.

It is not why the game needs to go back to sub only.

Sub only wont fix the problem. The problem is greed. Keeping the servers on is fine and dandy and fairly easy if you budget yourself correctly, but the problem is either they're not, or it's not about the budget.

Your wishfull thinking will drive the game to ruin as the sudden exodus of players creates more problems than it solves.

Raideen · November 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

This is why the game needs to go back to subs only. They could then eliminate Crown Crates and make everything purchasable with Crowns. They would make more money (I'm guessing) and we might even get a more mature player-base.

It is not why the game needs to go back to sub only.

Sub only wont fix the problem. The problem is greed. Keeping the servers on is fine and dandy and fairly easy if you budget yourself correctly, but the problem is either they're not, or it's not about the budget.

Your wishfull thinking will drive the game to ruin as the sudden exodus of players creates more problems than it solves.

^ This. ESO was not hurting with subs. The choice to go scam crates was to make more money off the customer, or to make money faster. The downside will be a shorter lifespan for the game as customers will (and already have) left due to greedy business practices.

People leaving MMO's starts a nasty downward spiral of people quitting as their online friends list gets shorter and shorter and shorter.

dsalter · November 2017

check my sig, theres already a movement

oh and adding this reply from another thread i posted in cause it's more evidence that shows foul play:

they need to make the consumable crap actually worth wanting... atm i cringe whenever i get a soulgem... mimic stone... poison or potion (in my last session of 15 crates EVERY SINGLE ONE had either poisons or potions, sometimes multiples of both!) and it just adds to the rage of getting them...

i know its intended and the way "pacrooti" eggs you on to try again doesnt help it. this type of dirty play is what gambling addicts are vulnerable to.
and the free crates may seem good will. but really its intended to grab at those resisting their addiction. its foul play and cant wait for UK gambling laws to take it serious.

dsalter · November 2017

SantieClaws wrote: »

mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

No one we communicate with here has the power to change this. The crates are an intentional monetization policy that comes from suit daedra at ZOS who have probably never even set foot in Tamriel - or any other realm beyond their own.

Surely if Battlefront II crate outrage can put EA in complete nightmare mode, then if enough people yell loudly enough, ZOS has to listen, yes?
We don't even need to yell as loud as Battlefront II players. That got the governments involved. Even yelling 50% as loud as them should turn some heads. Unfortunately there's no yelling. Just bickering.

Heck a multi-guild protest in-game, on a single server, if big enough, would get game journalists involved. And that does things.

This one does believe there were some attempts to gain the interest of the media, and indeed some media reports at the time, regarding the crates.

Suit daedra tend to care little about bad publicity if travellers keep buying the crates. The only way to defeat the crates is to stop buying them.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

agreed santie, but saddly theres alot of foul play so they are grabbing the addicts they aim at

MasterSpatula · November 2017

Jade1986 wrote: »

The thing is, all the good cosmetics are in those damned scam crates, and there is NO possibility to get new hair, new makeup, new mounts, etc IN game. Scam crates are a perfect measurement of a gaming companies greed. Anyone who does it should be ashamed. The day is coming tho where they will no longer be allowed. what ever happened to the days of earning this stuff in game? Crown crates should be presents that ESO+ members get each month for subbing. The items in them should be available to all as direct purchase.

If you think society is moving towards companies not being allowed to scam their customers or engage in dishonest business practices, I'm afraid you need to pay a little more attention to the news.

MasterSpatula · November 2017

Giraffon wrote: »

billp_ESO wrote: »

I'd prefer that things go back to the "good old days", where if you had a fantastic mount, it meant you accomplished a fantastic thing. Only the best and most accomplished players had the top stuff.

In ESO today, when you see someone with a fancy mount, you know they either just paid for it, or gambled for it.

Well yes, that's true. I can only think of a few things that you can earn in game that generally get respect from the player base as a whole:

High PvP Rank
Pot Head (done all quests in all factions)
Master Fisherman title (what a pain that must be)
Vet Maelstrom Arena Title (can't remember what it is at moment)
Top level CP is pretty common, but still deserves some credit as well
Tiger Mount (first year subs only)
Monkey (beta tester)

I have five of those, and believe me, the only thing I've done that was "fantastic" was the patience I showed.

Nightfall12 · November 2017

Ok all the people that think the government should get involved in this should take a look at how they really feel about gambling. Last time I checked it seemed like more and more state governments are trying to get casinos. The government wants businesses to make profits, they don't care about the people who fall victim to gambling addictions. And I would venture to guess most people playing this don't care either they just want the shiny stuff that they can't get.

VycDarkshadow · January 2018

Ouch. I actually got 2 mounts from one free Crown Crate.

https://twitter.com/VycDarkshadow/status/935637980617826305

Easily_Lost · January 2018

Streega wrote: »

I fully agree with OP, but I must admit I caved in a bit... I've purchased 750 Crowns to buy 2 Crates, because I needed few more gems for this beauty:
I'm very ashamed of myself, but in the end I was quite lucky with the contents. I have my sweet kitty now, and the red lipstick which looks fantastic on my Vampire Dunmer. However, it was a very calculated risk, because I knew I will get what I want for a price I would spend in the Store anyway. I would NEVER gamble for something I'm not sure I will get in the end.
I'm a disgrace for PAWS, but I'll remain your huge supporter - please forgive me this moment of weakness, but... the little Khajiit with those flappy ears!... She is soo... irresistible!

She looks so cute. You made a CHOICE to buy the Crown Crates. You were not forced to.
I don't know about you, but I don't want the government to tell me what I can spend my money on in a MMO type game. Bottom line, if you don't want to buy crates then don't. You are not being forced to. Again It's your CHOICE.

monktoasty · January 2018

SantieClaws wrote: »

This one is entirely in agreement with the sentiments of the original poster.

Not a single thing obtained that this one would have wanted or has a use for yes.

The overwhelming feeling is one of 'well this is nice but this one is glad she didn't pay out for this'.

All the junk cashed in for gems to possibly obtain something more desirable at some point in the future.

Would it not be better business yes to just sell travellers things that they want? Khajiit is not putting down the fact that the crates were free but that in the past, and maybe in the future, there have been things this one would have paid for if they were not in the crates. They were in crates though so Khajiit kept her coin to herself.

Even those travellers Khajiit knows who previously were very excited for new crates are now becoming wise to their poor value.

As a trader this one knows that if someone waves their coin at you and asks to buy something you have then you sell it to them - gladly. This is just good sense. Keep a well stocked store full of many items and you will surely see the coin roll in.

The crates were not good sense to begin with and as time goes on more travellers know this and are less willing to take a chance on them.

Keep them going if you feel you must but do not rely on them as your main source of income. A well stocked store with many more items than at present will serve you better in the long run.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Santie paws for president

Stewart1874 · January 2018

I buy a game to play the game and enjoy the content. I go to the bookies to gamble.

Big difference and I don't believe games companies which share a consumer market of kids and adults should be allowed implement systems which encourage gambling.

The 'you should be more responsible' argument is utter horseshit. Gambling, Alcohol and drugs are all vices which are highly addictive and have a very damaging impact on society. Should they be banned? No, but they should be restricted in who is allowed sell those vices.

Elder scrolls is a game series with dragons, elves and orcs. It quite obviously shares a market made up of both kids and adults, as does Star Wars. Gambling has no place in this game (either game for that matter). Kids extend to young people - Students, its no surprise that immature people with credit cards are plunging themselves into debt off the back of this gambling and for no monetary reward - Snake oil salesmen would be jealous!

The free creates despite the seemingly nice gesture makes it all the seedier, its like a crack dealer giving you a free rock 'just to try'. Its blatantly to try and flick that switch in your head to encourage repeat purchases.

If Bethesda want to be viewed as an ethical company they will go over Zenimaxs head on this one and put the brakes on it. Its their brand which is being damaged by this practise and my immediate fear is that this will find a way into the Fallout series too. Its telling they haven't done anything to stop it.

JamilaRaj · January 2018

mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

No one we communicate with here has the power to change this. The crates are an intentional monetization policy that comes from suit daedra at ZOS who have probably never even set foot in Tamriel - or any other realm beyond their own.

Surely if Battlefront II crate outrage can put EA in complete nightmare mode, then if enough people yell loudly enough, ZOS has to listen, yes?
We don't even need to yell as loud as Battlefront II players. That got the governments involved. Even yelling 50% as loud as them should turn some heads. Unfortunately there's no yelling. Just bickering.

Heck a multi-guild protest in-game, on a single server, if big enough, would get game journalists involved. And that does things.

Games journalists are all gone pal. Somewhere along the way, they have been replaced by bizarre clowns writing about games that neither exist nor are they ever going to be released, or covering what is on sale in which e-shop or casino.
Moreover, if ZOS's gambling AI was a bit less stupid, it would throw something else, not purple lipstick, at a player with characers all male, and OP would shut up and buy the fraking crates.

Eyesinthedrk · January 2018

I would, huh?

Theration · February 2019

Just don't complain on the forums about the free crown crates. Because of posts like this, ZOS removed them entirely from daily rewards/eso+ free trials

Atallanta · February 2019

Theration wrote: »

Just don't complain on the forums about the free crown crates. Because of posts like this, ZOS removed them entirely from daily rewards/eso+ free trials

I don’t think it’s the reason, but it sucks we have no more free crates. I used to look forward to these free eso + trials just because of free crates. I pay for eso+, and while others can enjoy its benefits for free for the next 5 days, I get nothing to compensate my loyalty

Eyesinthedrk · February 2019

This was never about the “free” crown crates. This was about the concept of crown crates in general.

If I go to the grocery store I don’t want to pay my monthly grocery bill only to walk out with 2 meats, 4 pack of veggies and 30 bottles of ketchup. The free crown crates were just a quarterly reminder that this was what Zos thought my money would be worth.

But thanks to nerfmire, constant grinding and nightblade being the only viable damage class for PvP and PvE for well over a year, none of this has mattered to me since October.