Free crown crates remind me why I won’t buy crown crates.

Eyesinthedrk

I want to start off by saying that these were a free item and I do appreciate that. I’m not mad at all and have no sour grapes about what I got.

There are quite a few items i really want in this batch. More so than any time before. But with my three crates I got a purple lipstick to match my blue from dwarves crates, and a dress. I have 8 male charicters and will never use these. This is in addition to a bunch of useless potions, Scrolls, food , and mimic stones.

Had these rewards be offered for sale in the crown store I would have deffinatly bought a flame atro horse. I would have most likely bought the skin and some of the hats. Depending on how much all that cost me, I may even buy a couple of the costumes too.

But since I’m more likely to get what I don’t want than I am to get what I do want, my wallet and my crowns are going to stay right we’re they are.

Please consider adding these items for outright purchase.

Voxicity

Ok

SisterGoat

If they were for outright purchase, there would be no point to buy the crates, no? Better to do away with the crates in the first place.

MaddPowered

You can out right purchase them. If you have gems.
Got em.

Eyesinthedrk

SisterGoat wrote: »

If they were for outright purchase, there would be no point to buy the crates, no? Better to do away with the crates in the first place.

If they wanted too, they could make it work. A mount outright for 2k crowns or 1.5k for 4 chances to get a mount and other goodies.

SisterGoat

Eyesinthedrk wrote: »

SisterGoat wrote: »

If they were for outright purchase, there would be no point to buy the crates, no? Better to do away with the crates in the first place.

If they wanted too, they could make it work. A mount outright for 2k crowns or 1.5k for 4 chances to get a mount and other goodies.

Nah, nobody would buy the crates at all if you could buy them outright. It's not worth the risk.

Drakkdjinn

Oh my, a common-sensical post on crowncrates?

[Snip].

[Edited to remove bait]

iiYuki

I recommend to most people to not actively go for the apex mounts or worse the ultra rare only crate mounts, I tried on the harvest crates to get the plague horse and after 200 crates I still hadn't even got all the costumes, I ended up with several hundred gems so ended up buying all the things that I hadn't already got and said *** it to the apex mounts and my dreams of seeing that beast.
My main stopping point was the dude who posted about opening close to 1000 crates and never seeing the Plague Horse, even getting a duplicate of one of the other "ultra, super, mega, rare only in lootbox" *(tm) mounts.

Samadhi

Eyesinthedrk wrote: »

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There are quite a few items i really want in this batch. More so than any time before. But with my three crates I got a purple lipstick to match my blue from dwarves crates, and a dress. I have 8 male charicters and will never use these. This is in addition to a bunch of useless potions, Scrolls, food , and mimic stones.
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Was largely indifferent to the prizes in the crates
Freckled Guar was the only thing with any real appeal for me
did not receive one in my free crates

got a Mages Guild Sentry Cat
which is kind of cute, and nice due to not having any cat pets yet
a Flame Pixie emote, and some Mage's Guild robes

Converted all the rest of the consumables into gems and got myself the Guar
no more interest in the crates
chalk it up to a win this month

none of the mounts look like anything any of my characters would ever actually ride
really not clear on the appeal of the elemental skins for people
may have bought the Cyrod Patrician Formal Gown had it been in the regular store, but no desire for it otherwise

DaveMoeDee

The OP's logic is incredibly flawed. If he would have pulled a fancy mount from a crate, would he now be talking about how wonderful they are? The outcomes from 3 crates should have no impact on your views of the crates. Your views should be based on the overall probabilities, which suck.

If the odds for the desirable stuff were really favorable, some people would still get a sack of rocks at times.

Cillion3117

I completely agree with OP. I might impulse but some of that stuff, but would never gamble hoping to get what I want.

Eyesinthedrk

I’m right here you know.

And no, it wouldn’t have changed my mind. I want the horse. Not the bear, or the calmel, wolf, senche, or guar. I don’t want to “step right up and test your luck”
I just want to buy the horse. And maybe a couple other items if the price is right.

olsborg

I would buy crown crates if you could eventually be guaranteed the rare mounts.

LonePirate

ZOS has zero incentive to put these mounts up for sale on their own because they generate more revenue by placing them at the end of a stick which very few players ever capture. Even if the mounts were priced at 6000 crowns like the (white) elk mount from many months ago, that is far less revenue than is generated by people buying hundreds of crates simply for a chance at receiving the mount.

Until people stop buying these crates with their reward rates that even shady Atlantic City casinos would consider unfair, then ZOS will never allow these mounts to be purchased with crowns. I suppose contacting your representatives in Congress is also an option.

Balamoor

I think it's cool that you can get most f them with gems anyway, and all the stuff is cosmetic so no big deal

zaria

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

The OP's logic is incredibly flawed. If he would have pulled a fancy mount from a crate, would he now be talking about how wonderful they are? The outcomes from 3 crates should have no impact on your views of the crates. Your views should be based on the overall probabilities, which suck.

If the odds for the desirable stuff were really favorable, some people would still get a sack of rocks at times.

Yes, getting an cool mount from free crates is very cool.
However knowing it will cost you 60 crates of 14K crowns in average will discourage most from gambling.
That is unless this has been nerfed.

You will get one blue or better item each round, but yes the issue is that you will get stuff you don't need.
I either have or don't realy need any of the 16 or 40 gem items and 3 items 100 gem is stuff I would buy for 2K crowns. but not 10K for an decent chance of getting some of them.

SisterGoat

A guildie told me 2 people who happened to be college students spent thousands of dollars to try to get radiant apex mounts and they're already in debt to student loans. Why would you do that??

Wreuntzylla

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

The OP's logic is incredibly flawed. If he would have pulled a fancy mount from a crate, would he now be talking about how wonderful they are? The outcomes from 3 crates should have no impact on your views of the crates. Your views should be based on the overall probabilities, which suck.

If the odds for the desirable stuff were really favorable, some people would still get a sack of rocks at times.

More importantly, a small percentage of people bring in the vast majority of money. Exclusivity is a decent part of what draws that percentage.

People should look at it this way. The game is literally changed to cater to a small percentage of the player base and if you aren't in that percentage, your value is solely as environmental fluff. The only time what you think matters is when most players feel the same way and it's a big enough issue to result in a population problem.

I would bet real money that every post from every whale in these forums is instantly tracked and evaluated, while most everyone else is ignored.

Mureel

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

The OP's logic is incredibly flawed. If he would have pulled a fancy mount from a crate, would he now be talking about how wonderful they are? The outcomes from 3 crates should have no impact on your views of the crates. Your views should be based on the overall probabilities, which suck.

If the odds for the desirable stuff were really favorable, some people would still get a sack of rocks at times.

More importantly, a small percentage of people bring in the vast majority of money. Exclusivity is a decent part of what draws that percentage.

People should look at it this way. The game is literally changed to cater to a small percentage of the player base and if you aren't in that percentage, your value is solely as environmental fluff. The only time what you think matters is when most players feel the same way and it's a big enough issue to result in a population problem.

I would bet real money that every post from every whale in these forums is instantly tracked and evaluated, while most everyone else is ignored.

That's all this stuff from the crates is anyway!

cbdfarm

All we can hope for is that whatever country each of us live in bans "loot boxes" as it is 100 percent gambling.

monktoasty

It's sad they make the chances so low just to extort more money.

Crates would be awesome if they were fair. And REMOVE THE JUNK

Sadly those spending thousands do ruin t for us. I'm eso plus that used to be enough...15 a month got you everything in game.

woe

cbdfarm wrote: »

All we can hope for is that whatever country each of us live in bans "loot boxes" as it is 100 percent gambling.

Better ban card games too.

swippy

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I would bet real money that every post from every whale in these forums is instantly tracked and evaluated, while most everyone else is ignored.

this is funny! i mean, not "funny haha" but a really interesting idea. too hard to automate, i think, but someone browsing for other reasons could have a special flag to check. it would take a particular set of skills to match some of these forum accounts to their game accounts, but i assume enough people give up enough info to cross-reference. i'm sure i do.

it's interesting because it's almost conspiratorial except we all submitted to it. neato

eklhaftb16_ESO

I got a pocket mammoth, imperial officer uniform, mage guild dress robe, a rebreather cowl, and a flame facepaint. Not a bad haul really, but (1) nothing I'd buy willingly, except perhaps for the cowl, and (2) it could've been so much better if the crates weren't stuffed with useless consumables. I guess they are supposed to be a consolation prize, but they give me no consolation of any sort.... all they do is annoy me.

The crates would be so much better deal if they got rid of the lowest two tiers of "rewards".

cbdfarm

deflorate wrote: »

cbdfarm wrote: »

All we can hope for is that whatever country each of us live in bans "loot boxes" as it is 100 percent gambling.

Better ban card games too.

lol comparing card games to fake items hidden behind "loot boxes" im dying of laughter. People like you ruin the gaming industry. Hell you probably support EA and their loot system in battlefront 2.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

This is why the game needs to go back to subs only. They could then eliminate Crown Crates and make everything purchasable with Crowns. They would make more money (I'm guessing) and we might even get a more mature player-base.

Ihatenightblades

Eyesinthedrk wrote: »

I want to start off by saying that these were a free item and I do appreciate that. I’m not mad at all and have no sour grapes about what I got.

There are quite a few items i really want in this batch. More so than any time before. But with my three crates I got a purple lipstick to match my blue from dwarves crates, and a dress. I have 8 male charicters and will never use these. This is in addition to a bunch of useless potions, Scrolls, food , and mimic stones.

Had these rewards be offered for sale in the crown store I would have deffinatly bought a flame atro horse. I would have most likely bought the skin and some of the hats. Depending on how much all that cost me, I may even buy a couple of the costumes too.

But since I’m more likely to get what I don’t want than I am to get what I do want, my wallet and my crowns are going to stay right we’re they are.

Please consider adding these items for outright purchase.

Its called luxury items. Anything luxurious in life will cost money. And nobody in the gaming industry forces anybody to buy anything its all freedom of choice. I myself am lucky enough to buy 24 crown crates i got a mount but no skin.

as for the being able to purchase directly i disagree. Skins are supposed to be a rare/achievement i always believe you should earn every skin you get.

Buying skins overall shouldnt be a thing but since it is im glad its a rare item that not everyone will have.

Zos likes to keep things exclusive. Even though they recycle old crown store items into the crown crates they still dont come around very often.

pdebie64b16_ESO

I cant understand why people spend money on (overpriced) crown crates with a small chance to get cosmetic items.

Probably my age...

Eyesinthedrk

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Its called luxury items. Anything luxurious in life will cost money. And nobody in the gaming industry forces anybody to buy anything its all freedom of choice. I myself am lucky enough to buy 24 crown crates i got a mount but no skin.

No one is asking for a free hand out. I’m willing to spend money on what I want. Just not willing to spend money on a slight chance of what I want.

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

as for the being able to purchase directly i disagree. Skins are supposed to be a rare/achievement i always believe you should earn every skin you get.

They sold the first skin back when ic came out 2 years ago. There is no crown crate RNG achievement. so I’m not sure where you’re coming from on this one.

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Buying skins overall shouldnt be a thing but since it is im glad its a rare item that not everyone will have.

I don’t disagree with you on the fact that skins shouldn’t be sold. But hiding it behind an RNG like some shady character playing Three Card Monte on a New York street corner doesn’t make it better.

srfrogg23

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Eyesinthedrk wrote: »

I want to start off by saying that these were a free item and I do appreciate that. I’m not mad at all and have no sour grapes about what I got.

There are quite a few items i really want in this batch. More so than any time before. But with my three crates I got a purple lipstick to match my blue from dwarves crates, and a dress. I have 8 male charicters and will never use these. This is in addition to a bunch of useless potions, Scrolls, food , and mimic stones.

Had these rewards be offered for sale in the crown store I would have deffinatly bought a flame atro horse. I would have most likely bought the skin and some of the hats. Depending on how much all that cost me, I may even buy a couple of the costumes too.

But since I’m more likely to get what I don’t want than I am to get what I do want, my wallet and my crowns are going to stay right we’re they are.

Please consider adding these items for outright purchase.

Its called luxury items. Anything luxurious in life will cost money. And nobody in the gaming industry forces anybody to buy anything its all freedom of choice. I myself am lucky enough to buy 24 crown crates i got a mount but no skin.

as for the being able to purchase directly i disagree. Skins are supposed to be a rare/achievement i always believe you should earn every skin you get.

Buying skins overall shouldnt be a thing but since it is im glad its a rare item that not everyone will have.

Zos likes to keep things exclusive. Even though they recycle old crown store items into the crown crates they still dont come around very often.

Justifying gambling as a virtue requires some pretty hardcore mental gymnastics.

MercyKilling

MaddPowered wrote: »

You can out right purchase them. If you have gems.

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Where do you get gems from? Crates? If so.......then no. You can't outright purchase them, you still have to buy crates.

If gems do not come from crates, then yes indeed, you did get him.

Edited to add:

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

i always believe you should earn every skin you get.

Getting skins in crates isn't "earning" them, it's buying them. Earning skins would imply that you get them by accomplishing things in game, like say....achievements?