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How will character progression work in Elsweyr?
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Agree an low level power creep is good for a game, does not have to be much however.It is probably an unpopular opinion on these forums but I actually have no problem with power creep. It is an easy way to make older content more accessible to people that may not have the skill to complete hard mode or no death achievements. The hard core, top end players are always only ever playing the newer harder stuff anyway so who really cares if vMA, older DLC or older trials becomes easier. Constantly raising CP and the associated power creep seemed fine to me. I'm also ok with newer more powerful sets being added to keep that power creeping upwards. What I find bizzare is the constant nerfing that seems to be designed to make content harder for no apparent reason. As someone over the CP cap for the last few releases I definitely feel like my characters "power" has plateaued. I know it is an illusion but it would be nice to see my imaginary numbers continue to increase. My main concern at the moment is that they are going to gut CP and replace it with something that makes my character feel weaker rather than stronger. The jury is still out whether the upcoming racial passive changes will do just that.
New content tend to be harder anyway.
You also have players doing harder and harder content.
You however have the problem with endgame.
End game seems to be: Leaderboard scores for trials, pvp, bgs. Achievement hunting. Grinding PvP levels. Crafting. Housing. I don't think mild power creep affects any of those adversely.I've hidden your signature.0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They are chasing this non-existent thing they call "balance". Balance will finally be achieved when everything is the same. Race, wont matter. Class, wont matter. Character progression, doesn't exist. Gear, who cares, have another proc set that does the same thing with some new animations and particle effects.
I agree. More people will leave the game when it gets to the point where everyone is equal, except for their faces and clothes. There used to be a challenge in experimenting and finding the best, most powerful race/class/skills/gear combo. And you were rewarded with more victories than the person who didn't care and just half-fast their way through it. Now, they are dead set on slowing everyone down and making them equal. Nobody wants to play like that. Except the people who just want to run around looking pretty.
Winning used to motivate people to try harder, get faster, hit harder than the next guy, etc. But it appears the game is devolving into something where everyone lines up to receive a participation trophy and a free pet once a month instead.
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✭✭I think to expand on the rpg aspect the game should have more systems in which characters can interact with the world. That's what makes elder scroll games feel special.0 -
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✭Edit: I honestly have no clue how the first quote got here, as I’m pretty sure I didn’t hit the quote buttonWifeaggro13 wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »Now that CP is being halted, what is the point of the expansion beyond just the story? The whole purpose of playing an MMORPG (and any RPG really) is to progress your character, they should have never gotten rid of VP.
the Problem here is the CP system was never expanded upon. its a rudimnetary system it was really just a base to build upon which they never did. By 5 years post launch All MMO's have true vertical alternate advancement system with many layers that define your build. The CP system does nothing of the sort but make you a comic book hero. ZOS did not want to make the gamers chase levels or VR ranks thats why they were removed because its to expensive and time consuming to create content that way, now they are paying the price. ZOS has made the mistake of trying to make this game a flat progression system to appease their churn base and sell copies. but they hid their grind behind gear sets and trait RNG. i think with the sweeping changes they made in their combat leads they hope to fix some broken half finished systems . I hate to say it but the guy they should be letting go is Frior. He is the guy that had a diffrent vision to make this a online single player RPG with loby esque multiplayer options. ESO has gone down a a dead end road for 2 years now . i dont think they can win back the MMO community and make a game with longevity players. They started milking the churn base way to early and now that milk has gone sour.ESO is profitable but they have figured out its not anymore profitable then if they had stayed a sub base and held 500 to 600 k active subs if they made a MMO with vertical progression. They lost subs because they were not producing content for the game and focused on console sales. corporate america likes to abuse the gaming comsumer with predatory tactics and force development teams to make a game based on how fast they can make money in a shorter period of time . rather then make a game that keeps people playing.Neoicelord wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »You'll progress through the story, as in every other DLC.
But i could care less about the game's story, the only reason i play mmorpgs is to make my character stronger.
Then you obviously picked the wrong game dude, cause most people didn’t buy this game cause it was a MMORPG, they got it because it was an Elder Scrolls title.Neoicelord wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »
Besides the fact that new gear cap would be a useless change anyway as players are autoleveled to the world and gear at your level is just as strong regardless of *what* level you are, I dare you;
Tell people they need to refarm maelstrom weaps and perfect rele. I'll wait over here out of the blast zone xD
Do not get me started on the stupidity that is infecting every mmorpg (except the great Final Fantasy XIV) that is called "Level Scaling" or "i am a casual and do not have the time to actually play the game, let me do end game stuffs"
Yeah. What is the point in making games the way people want to play them? Games should be designed to only be enjoyable for 50 people at most.
if people do not have the time to commit to an MMORPG, perhaps they should just NOT PLAY THEM. Sick of casuals causing devs to water down games just because there are a few idiot casuals who are just riding the mainstream train because video games are popular.
Also? No, they won’t refund Elsweyr for you. They don’t refund digital purchases, working or not. So too bad so sad.Neoicelord wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »Now that CP is being halted, what is the point of the expansion beyond just the story? The whole purpose of playing an MMORPG (and any RPG really) is to progress your character, they should have never gotten rid of VP.
The CP System gets reworked atm. That doesnt mean progression will stop. Progression is only stopped temporarily.
It's all empty promises. You think it will get reworked? I think these upcoming changes are the start and end to the death of vertical progression, and player choice. They are chasing this non-existent thing they call "balance". Balance will finally be achieved when everything is the same. Race, wont matter. Class, wont matter. Character progression, doesn't exist. Gear, who cares, have another proc set that does the same thing with some new animations and particle effects.
Don't get me wrong, CP was a very poorly executed system, but it was a system... I honestly do not see it being "reworked". It will be forgotten... like spell crafting, and so much more. I don't think they have the ability to actually create any systems that are of any depth.
Then why should i continue to play?
Thankfully Microsoft has a great refund system and i can get a full refund on ESO plus the day before my sub expires
and a full refund on Elsweyr collector's edition pre order.
Edited by Reistr_the_Unbroken on February 7, 2019 9:13AM0 -
Chirru✭✭✭✭Neoicelord wrote: »ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »How much more do you need really after you reach 9000?
You see a smart company would have capped the CP off each new dlc/expansion so people could not store up 90000000 points and get bored. Maybe give people a small amount of gold or something when they reach an exp milestone...but clearly the CP system was not well thought out.
Yep...I agree.
And that is why the CP System has been put on hold and they are deliberating what to do with it.
Just let us hope that any system change will be worthwhile.
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Neoicelord✭✭✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »Edit: I honestly have no clue how the first quote got here, as I’m pretty sure I didn’t hit the quote buttonWifeaggro13 wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »Now that CP is being halted, what is the point of the expansion beyond just the story? The whole purpose of playing an MMORPG (and any RPG really) is to progress your character, they should have never gotten rid of VP.
the Problem here is the CP system was never expanded upon. its a rudimnetary system it was really just a base to build upon which they never did. By 5 years post launch All MMO's have true vertical alternate advancement system with many layers that define your build. The CP system does nothing of the sort but make you a comic book hero. ZOS did not want to make the gamers chase levels or VR ranks thats why they were removed because its to expensive and time consuming to create content that way, now they are paying the price. ZOS has made the mistake of trying to make this game a flat progression system to appease their churn base and sell copies. but they hid their grind behind gear sets and trait RNG. i think with the sweeping changes they made in their combat leads they hope to fix some broken half finished systems . I hate to say it but the guy they should be letting go is Frior. He is the guy that had a diffrent vision to make this a online single player RPG with loby esque multiplayer options. ESO has gone down a a dead end road for 2 years now . i dont think they can win back the MMO community and make a game with longevity players. They started milking the churn base way to early and now that milk has gone sour.ESO is profitable but they have figured out its not anymore profitable then if they had stayed a sub base and held 500 to 600 k active subs if they made a MMO with vertical progression. They lost subs because they were not producing content for the game and focused on console sales. corporate america likes to abuse the gaming comsumer with predatory tactics and force development teams to make a game based on how fast they can make money in a shorter period of time . rather then make a game that keeps people playing.Neoicelord wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »You'll progress through the story, as in every other DLC.
But i could care less about the game's story, the only reason i play mmorpgs is to make my character stronger.
Then you obviously picked the wrong game dude, cause most people didn’t buy this game cause it was a MMORPG, they got it because it was an Elder Scrolls title.Neoicelord wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »
Besides the fact that new gear cap would be a useless change anyway as players are autoleveled to the world and gear at your level is just as strong regardless of *what* level you are, I dare you;
Tell people they need to refarm maelstrom weaps and perfect rele. I'll wait over here out of the blast zone xD
Do not get me started on the stupidity that is infecting every mmorpg (except the great Final Fantasy XIV) that is called "Level Scaling" or "i am a casual and do not have the time to actually play the game, let me do end game stuffs"
Yeah. What is the point in making games the way people want to play them? Games should be designed to only be enjoyable for 50 people at most.
if people do not have the time to commit to an MMORPG, perhaps they should just NOT PLAY THEM. Sick of casuals causing devs to water down games just because there are a few idiot casuals who are just riding the mainstream train because video games are popular.
Also? No, they won’t refund Elsweyr for you. They don’t refund digital purchases, working or not. So too bad so sad.Neoicelord wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »Now that CP is being halted, what is the point of the expansion beyond just the story? The whole purpose of playing an MMORPG (and any RPG really) is to progress your character, they should have never gotten rid of VP.
The CP System gets reworked atm. That doesnt mean progression will stop. Progression is only stopped temporarily.
It's all empty promises. You think it will get reworked? I think these upcoming changes are the start and end to the death of vertical progression, and player choice. They are chasing this non-existent thing they call "balance". Balance will finally be achieved when everything is the same. Race, wont matter. Class, wont matter. Character progression, doesn't exist. Gear, who cares, have another proc set that does the same thing with some new animations and particle effects.
Don't get me wrong, CP was a very poorly executed system, but it was a system... I honestly do not see it being "reworked". It will be forgotten... like spell crafting, and so much more. I don't think they have the ability to actually create any systems that are of any depth.
Then why should i continue to play?
Thankfully Microsoft has a great refund system and i can get a full refund on ESO plus the day before my sub expires
and a full refund on Elsweyr collector's edition pre order.
[snip]. i already got the refund from Xbox. Not hard, cause it's a preorder. [snip]
https://ibb.co/mRmfHZJ
[edited for insulting comment]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on February 7, 2019 3:13PM0 -
So it was just a disguised "i quit" thread all along. Now, can I have your stuff plz?
Also, on a more serious note: If you don't enjoy story/lore etc. in this game and you just look to be the mule behind the carrot, then just play another game like FF XIV or WoW. There are many soulless level grinder games out there. Just don't make a fuss about it.
[edited quoted content]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on February 7, 2019 3:14PM3 -
Neoicelord✭✭✭Skjarbrand wrote: »LOL idiot. i already got the refund from Xbox. Not hard, cause it's a preorder. So sad. man you millennial twits are amusing sometimes
https://ibb.co/mRmfHZJ
So it was just a disguised "i quit" thread all along. Now, can I have your stuff plz?
Also, on a more seriouslynote: If you don't enjoy story/lore etc. in this game and you just look to be the mule behind the carrot, then just play another game like FF XIV or WoW. There are many soulless level grinder games out there. Just don't make a fuss about it.
Never said i was quitting, just refunded the pre order and ESO plus for the time being until closer to the expansion launch. i just posted that pic for the man beard who said it was impossible to get a refund.1 -
profundidob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Neoicelord wrote: »Now that CP is being halted, what is the point of the expansion beyond just the story? The whole purpose of playing an MMORPG (and any RPG really) is to progress your character, they should have never gotten rid of VP.
OP is missing the point entirely.
"How will character progression work in Elsweyr?" => it will not ! And this is no mistake, it' properly intended this way and for good reasons. Mainly so that new players entering the game get a chance to catch up and become viable in veteran dungeons and content.
If you design a keep about a forever increasing level cap (be in in levels or cp) you end up with an unplayable situation where players can no longer group up because the casual new players entering the game can NEVER catch up to the highest levels that still keep leveling up forever. And then people complaint they cannot find equally levelled people for their group activities such as vet dungeons, trials, pvp, ...
Therefore good mmo design always provides vertical progression ('leveling up') until a fixed a ceiling and then continues in a horizontal progression model (gathering more titles, achievs, gear, cosmetics, ...) which is essentially the endgame.
In addition to all of this there is the problem that if gear is shareable all the way up to max level (e.g cp 810 now) it means that people never are able to trade gear of the same level. This problem is solved by setting a much lower ceiling for gear level than character level (cp 160 gear lvl vs cp810 char lvl in this game) so that new players can very quickly catch up to that gear level ceiling and can be accepted in public normal trials in order for them to be able to share the loot they find. Below that ceiling people are simply rejected in group activities purely for inability to provide gear of the maximum gear lvl, which is against the principles of an MMO in hte first place.
Then there is the problem of zones being locked behind level walls as we used to have in the beginning with the VR system. ZOS solved it by unifying the levels of zones in the "One Tamriel" update so that all levels could enjoy zone content together regardless of level
I hope this explains to you why the current situation is really better. In fact we originally used to have the situation you ask in the past and it brought with it all these problems. In response ZOS implemented the caps to fix them and allow more people to enjoy the Massive Multiplayer Online experience of being able to play together (relatively) regardless of gear and char level.4 -
Joker99✭✭✭If you were playing just for that 30cp increase you're probably better off spending your time on something else.PC-EU
DPS Slave:
StamNB, MagNB, MagPlar, MagDK, StamDK, StamWarden
Mostly just a scrub. Not even max CP.Actually max CP.2 -
Reistr_the_Unbroken✭✭✭✭✭
✭Neoicelord wrote: »Skjarbrand wrote: »LOL idiot. i already got the refund from Xbox. Not hard, cause it's a preorder. So sad. man you millennial twits are amusing sometimes
https://ibb.co/mRmfHZJ
So it was just a disguised "i quit" thread all along. Now, can I have your stuff plz?
Also, on a more seriouslynote: If you don't enjoy story/lore etc. in this game and you just look to be the mule behind the carrot, then just play another game like FF XIV or WoW. There are many soulless level grinder games out there. Just don't make a fuss about it.
Never said i was quitting, just refunded the pre order and ESO plus for the time being until closer to the expansion launch. i just posted that pic for the man beard who said it was impossible to get a refund.
Hmm, cause the first time I tried refunding an add on or something from Microsoft they gave me a big “SCREW YOU!” Even when it didnt work at all.0 -
Reistr_the_Unbroken✭✭✭✭✭
✭Neoicelord wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »You'll progress through the story, as in every other DLC.
But i could care less about the game's story, the only reason i play mmorpgs is to make my character stronger.
And I could give a flying flip less about making my character stronger
Also hope the thread gets locked because clearly it’s clickbaitEdited by Reistr_the_Unbroken on February 7, 2019 12:03PM0 -
Neoicelord✭✭✭The whole point of an MMORPG is to level and explore the zone, leveling scaling ruins the entire experience. People should have to play the way the game was intended to play, not because a bunch of late to the party casuals are crying. THIS IS AN MMORPG, it is meant to be played for years, just because YOU started to play the game 5 years into its life does not mean you should be able to just jump in and do stuff with vets. Makes me sick what gaming has become over the last 5/10 years. Ever since the 2000s children have grown up, nothing but mainstream garbage EVERYWHRERE, music, tv shows, books, movies, GAMES....the day i end my own life grows closer each hour i use the internet.1
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Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭When you have a game that scales to your level, if you are not a particularly skilled player, sometimes the only way that you can advance is through the Champion Point system.
I have noticed that my character gets stronger the more champion points I acquire and that helps me to survive content I would have struggled with before.
If ZOS plans to alter champion points, I hope that do not nerf it to such a degree that it prevents us casual players from progressing through game content.
I also hope that ZOS will take a look at Blizzard's mistakes and takes that into consideration as well.
I like a challenge but I don't want it to become tedious. Tedious unrewarding combat and diminished leveling rewards is one of the main reasons I stopped playing WoW. At one time I was subscribed to ESO and WoW at the same time. Now only ESO gets my money.Edited by Tabbycat on February 7, 2019 1:01PMFounder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Neoicelord✭✭✭When you have a game that scales to your level, if you are not a particularly skilled player, sometimes the only way that you can advance is through the Champion Point system.
I have noticed that my character gets stronger the more champion points I acquire and that helps me to survive content I would have struggled with before.
If ZOS plans to alter champion points, I hope that do not nerf it to such a degree that it prevents us casual players from progressing through game content.
For me, an mmorpg without forward progression is just spinning in circles, trying to get as many whales (big spenders) to shove money down their throats until the server shutdown. Zeni is TRYING to make me install WoW again with their backwards way of thinking. BUT, they cannot spend all their tring to improve the game, they have to make new mounts, pets, costumes and other things to milk the remaining playerbase.1 -
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✭Elsweyr will bring about a Huge Nuclear Event that will Mutant and transform all of the known Races into a new Flashpoint timeline where Khajiit rule the World.1 -
dovakiin5574✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »imo the story is the biggest point of playing this game.
but i'm sure you'll find gear to hunt, motifs to steal and dragons to fight. or is that not character progression?
Well with new gear sets you will not technically be Progressing as you will have to forfeit something to get something else of equal value.
Why dont they just increase the gear level to 320? or extended the level cap to 60? idk...
Screw that idea and shame on you for suggesting it. Why would people want to farm all their gear again???Neoicelord wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »You'll progress through the story, as in every other DLC.
But i could care less about the game's story, the only reason i play mmorpgs is to make my character stronger.
Well tough luck. Your playing the wrong MMO then. This one has a large focus on progression through storylines.Neoicelord wrote: »Contemplating cancelling my pre order and giving Black Desert a try when it comes to Xbox in a few weeks.
Ok, take care then. Bye.
Uh.... I LOVE farming gear. That was the raison d'etre in WoW and RIFT, and it was fun. I just don't really get the whole thing here.... Sure, I can go make more gear for every few CP levels.... but it's not fun....
This isn't WoW or Rift.... I don't like you and your ideas of what ESO should bePAPSMEAR - Positively Against Paws SMEAR campaign - Say YES to crown crates0 -
Neoicelord✭✭✭dovakiin5574 wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »imo the story is the biggest point of playing this game.
but i'm sure you'll find gear to hunt, motifs to steal and dragons to fight. or is that not character progression?
Well with new gear sets you will not technically be Progressing as you will have to forfeit something to get something else of equal value.
Why dont they just increase the gear level to 320? or extended the level cap to 60? idk...
Screw that idea and shame on you for suggesting it. Why would people want to farm all their gear again???Neoicelord wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »You'll progress through the story, as in every other DLC.
But i could care less about the game's story, the only reason i play mmorpgs is to make my character stronger.
Well tough luck. Your playing the wrong MMO then. This one has a large focus on progression through storylines.Neoicelord wrote: »Contemplating cancelling my pre order and giving Black Desert a try when it comes to Xbox in a few weeks.
Ok, take care then. Bye.
Uh.... I LOVE farming gear. That was the raison d'etre in WoW and RIFT, and it was fun. I just don't really get the whole thing here.... Sure, I can go make more gear for every few CP levels.... but it's not fun....
This isn't WoW or Rift.... I don't like you and your ideas of what ESO should be
Which is why WoW is still the number 1 mmorpg on the market (even though the game is trash and lost 10 million players in 5 years) but still, WoW has never tried to be anything other then an MMORPG, ESO however never truly embraced being a pure MMORPG.0 -
Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭If my character cant get more powerful in time, its not an mmorpg and therefore I truly wouldnt care about it. There is literally 90% of the nonmmo-gaming-landscape for that.2 -
Sevalaricgirl✭✭✭✭✭People moan and complain about every MMO so here is my moan. Cadwell's silver and gold should have never happened. I have no problem with vet content and getting rid of CP completely, adding new levels to accomplish, but there is no way a DC character should be leveling in AD or EP. It didn't make sense in the beginning and it doesn't make sense now especially being called the soulless one when you actually have your soul back. I don't know who decided that was a good idea.
Get rid of CP, keep CP, it all makes no difference to me and I avoid Cadwells at all cost. Only one of my characters is even doing it and just so I can say I did it once. All the rest of my characters are staying within their own alliance.
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✭Neoicelord wrote: »imo the story is the biggest point of playing this game.
but i'm sure you'll find gear to hunt, motifs to steal and dragons to fight. or is that not character progression?
Well with new gear sets you will not technically be Progressing as you will have to forfeit something to get something else of equal value.
Why dont they just increase the gear level to 320? or extended the level cap to 60? idk...
Screw that idea and shame on you for suggesting it. Why would people want to farm all their gear again???Neoicelord wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »You'll progress through the story, as in every other DLC.
But i could care less about the game's story, the only reason i play mmorpgs is to make my character stronger.
Well tough luck. Your playing the wrong MMO then. This one has a large focus on progression through storylines.Neoicelord wrote: »Contemplating cancelling my pre order and giving Black Desert a try when it comes to Xbox in a few weeks.
Ok, take care then. Bye.
the point is ZOS is seeing their bait and switch is not working out so well for ZOS. they should have increased gear level ever slightly with new sets and back leveled the ones you already have . new sets should have new stat that is applicable for new end game trials and dungeons.its simple easy and a tried and true progression system. In all honesty the RPG story part of this game is horrible man. its really bad i dont know why people would want to play a single player MMO with bad story. when their is a pleothera of outstanding single player rpgs out there with subperb story and single player mechanincs. ive never played this game for its story its pretty bad. all but a few quests were memorable. honestly AOC had better quest stories.Flat progression is not keeping people playing. and the chapters are not selling like hot cakes its why they are trying to make Ells so big by offering the Necro class to win back some players. I play MMOs for the social aspect of gaming . accomplishing content with friends and building good team dynamics. I dont play them for the single player waltz through the new shiny zone. the point is everyone has a playstyle and ZOS has sold as many copies as they are going to sell in this market. they need to win back ESO plus people and keep them. the churn base just is not buying as much of their digital garbage as they used to. they need to balance the game design .4 -
Neoicelord✭✭✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »imo the story is the biggest point of playing this game.
but i'm sure you'll find gear to hunt, motifs to steal and dragons to fight. or is that not character progression?
Well with new gear sets you will not technically be Progressing as you will have to forfeit something to get something else of equal value.
Why dont they just increase the gear level to 320? or extended the level cap to 60? idk...
Screw that idea and shame on you for suggesting it. Why would people want to farm all their gear again???Neoicelord wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »You'll progress through the story, as in every other DLC.
But i could care less about the game's story, the only reason i play mmorpgs is to make my character stronger.
Well tough luck. Your playing the wrong MMO then. This one has a large focus on progression through storylines.Neoicelord wrote: »Contemplating cancelling my pre order and giving Black Desert a try when it comes to Xbox in a few weeks.
Ok, take care then. Bye.
the point is ZOS is seeing their bait and switch is not working out so well for ZOS. they should have increased gear level ever slightly with new sets and back leveled the ones you already have . new sets should have new stat that is applicable for new end game trials and dungeons.its simple easy and a tried and true progression system. In all honesty the RPG story part of this game is horrible man. its really bad i dont know why people would want to play a single player MMO with bad story. when their is a pleothera of outstanding single player rpgs out there with subperb story and single player mechanincs. ive never played this game for its story its pretty bad. all but a few quests were memorable. honestly AOC had better quest stories.Flat progression is not keeping people playing. and the chapters are not selling like hot cakes its why they are trying to make Ells so big by offering the Necro class to win back some players. I play MMOs for the social aspect of gaming . accomplishing content with friends and building good team dynamics. I dont play them for the single player waltz through the new shiny zone. the point is everyone has a playstyle and ZOS has sold as many copies as they are going to sell in this market. they need to win back ESO plus people and keep them. the churn base just is not buying as much of their digital garbage as they used to. they need to balance the game design .
Final Fantasy XIV Shadowbringers looks amazing! Elsweyr had better knock it out of the park.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The biggest flaw of this game is the missing vertical progression. Every new zone is basically pointless because there is nothing fresh or new besides maybe the new trial. It's a huge flaw and a massive letdown and one of the reasons I dislike One Tamriel. I would like to have real endgame zones (something Vvardenfell, Summerset and Elsweyr should have been) with new things to do and achieve. But they are just copy paste usual zones without anything fresh or new or exciting besides the landscape or stories.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
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✭Neoicelord wrote: »The whole point of an MMORPG is to level and explore the zone, leveling scaling ruins the entire experience. People should have to play the way the game was intended to play, not because a bunch of late to the party casuals are crying. THIS IS AN MMORPG, it is meant to be played for years, just because YOU started to play the game 5 years into its life does not mean you should be able to just jump in and do stuff with vets. Makes me sick what gaming has become over the last 5/10 years. Ever since the 2000s children have grown up, nothing but mainstream garbage EVERYWHRERE, music, tv shows, books, movies, GAMES....the day i end my own life grows closer each hour i use the internet.
though i understand your sentiment and agree the genre was literally gutted to a massive quick cash grab . ending yoour own life is hardly the solution. but as you know all the talent in the design of MMO's has clearly left the corporate world they are all working on indie projects and they can make excellent games with out having to shell out massive bonuses to CEOs out of the production cost. that is how you get bloated 150 million dollar budgets with big IP corporate MMO's. Clearly when you stack ESO up against games that were released in 2004 like EQ2 . You see how little content this game launched with for the price tag it cost to make. EQ2 launched with massive amounts of content and pumped out full blown expansion every 6 months. Around 2009 everything changed and EA went for the throat by buying bioware and gutting one of the best game producers in the RPG genre. Its not bleak corporate america has moved on to the lobby shooter as their new cash cow and the genre will redefine once again.2 -
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✭dovakiin5574 wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »imo the story is the biggest point of playing this game.
but i'm sure you'll find gear to hunt, motifs to steal and dragons to fight. or is that not character progression?
Well with new gear sets you will not technically be Progressing as you will have to forfeit something to get something else of equal value.
Why dont they just increase the gear level to 320? or extended the level cap to 60? idk...
Screw that idea and shame on you for suggesting it. Why would people want to farm all their gear again???Neoicelord wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »You'll progress through the story, as in every other DLC.
But i could care less about the game's story, the only reason i play mmorpgs is to make my character stronger.
Well tough luck. Your playing the wrong MMO then. This one has a large focus on progression through storylines.Neoicelord wrote: »Contemplating cancelling my pre order and giving Black Desert a try when it comes to Xbox in a few weeks.
Ok, take care then. Bye.
Uh.... I LOVE farming gear. That was the raison d'etre in WoW and RIFT, and it was fun. I just don't really get the whole thing here.... Sure, I can go make more gear for every few CP levels.... but it's not fun....
This isn't WoW or Rift.... I don't like you and your ideas of what ESO should be
what exactly are you doing in game at this point out of curiosity?0 -
profundidob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭xxthir13enxx wrote: »Elsweyr will bring about a Huge Nuclear Event that will Mutant and transform all of the known Races into a new Flashpoint timeline where Khajiit rule the World.
May I remind you that Nuclear exploded and mutated Khajiits are not a pretty sight ? =P0 -
Neoicelord✭✭✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Neoicelord wrote: »The whole point of an MMORPG is to level and explore the zone, leveling scaling ruins the entire experience. People should have to play the way the game was intended to play, not because a bunch of late to the party casuals are crying. THIS IS AN MMORPG, it is meant to be played for years, just because YOU started to play the game 5 years into its life does not mean you should be able to just jump in and do stuff with vets. Makes me sick what gaming has become over the last 5/10 years. Ever since the 2000s children have grown up, nothing but mainstream garbage EVERYWHRERE, music, tv shows, books, movies, GAMES....the day i end my own life grows closer each hour i use the internet.
though i understand your sentiment and agree the genre was literally gutted to a massive quick cash grab . ending yoour own life is hardly the solution. but as you know all the talent in the design of MMO's has clearly left the corporate world they are all working on indie projects and they can make excellent games with out having to shell out massive bonuses to CEOs out of the production cost. that is how you get bloated 150 million dollar budgets with big IP corporate MMO's. Clearly when you stack ESO up against games that were released in 2004 like EQ2 . You see how little content this game launched with for the price tag it cost to make. EQ2 launched with massive amounts of content and pumped out full blown expansion every 6 months. Around 2009 everything changed and EA went for the throat by buying bioware and gutting one of the best game producers in the RPG genre. Its not bleak corporate america has moved on to the lobby shooter as their new cash cow and the genre will redefine once again.
and before that, Activision bought Blizzard and sucked the life out of them <,<1
