Neoicelord wrote: »

Now that CP is being halted, what is the point of the expansion beyond just the story? The whole purpose of playing an MMORPG (and any RPG really) is to progress your character, they should have never gotten rid of VP.

the Problem here is the CP system was never expanded upon. its a rudimnetary system it was really just a base to build upon which they never did. By 5 years post launch All MMO's have true vertical alternate advancement system with many layers that define your build. The CP system does nothing of the sort but make you a comic book hero. ZOS did not want to make the gamers chase levels or VR ranks thats why they were removed because its to expensive and time consuming to create content that way, now they are paying the price. ZOS has made the mistake of trying to make this game a flat progression system to appease their churn base and sell copies. but they hid their grind behind gear sets and trait RNG. i think with the sweeping changes they made in their combat leads they hope to fix some broken half finished systems . I hate to say it but the guy they should be letting go is Frior. He is the guy that had a diffrent vision to make this a online single player RPG with loby esque multiplayer options. ESO has gone down a a dead end road for 2 years now . i dont think they can win back the MMO community and make a game with longevity players. They started milking the churn base way to early and now that milk has gone sour.ESO is profitable but they have figured out its not anymore profitable then if they had stayed a sub base and held 500 to 600 k active subs if they made a MMO with vertical progression. They lost subs because they were not producing content for the game and focused on console sales. corporate america likes to abuse the gaming comsumer with predatory tactics and force development teams to make a game based on how fast they can make money in a shorter period of time . rather then make a game that keeps people playing.

Neoicelord wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

You'll progress through the story, as in every other DLC.

But i could care less about the game's story, the only reason i play mmorpgs is to make my character stronger.

Then find an mmorpg designed for what you want. Are you really going to be satisfied with a measly 30 CP as the carrot on the string?

Turelus wrote: »

I think you'll find different views on what the purpose of playing an MMO or RPG is, not everyone plays just for the character progression.

Elsweyr will have a new story and class which many are interested in, as well as new sets (gear progression), new trial (content/skill progression), skyshards and public dungeons for SP (character progression).

For many people the updates also didn't feel like progression, they've earned the CP months if not years ago and are just getting back pay for their work.

Still forward progression being able to actually allocate them which I am sure is where the OP is going with his post. Allocating those 30 points each update improved his, and everyone else's characters who allotted them; even if it was a minuscule amount of progression at a time.

mxxo wrote: »

Neoicelord wrote: »

Now that CP is being halted, what is the point of the expansion beyond just the story? The whole purpose of playing an MMORPG (and any RPG really) is to progress your character, they should have never gotten rid of VP.

The CP System gets reworked atm. That doesnt mean progression will stop. Progression is only stopped temporarily.

It's all empty promises. You think it will get reworked? I think these upcoming changes are the start and end to the death of vertical progression, and player choice. They are chasing this non-existent thing they call "balance". Balance will finally be achieved when everything is the same. Race, wont matter. Class, wont matter. Character progression, doesn't exist. Gear, who cares, have another proc set that does the same thing with some new animations and particle effects.

Don't get me wrong, CP was a very poorly executed system, but it was a system... I honestly do not see it being "reworked". It will be forgotten... like spell crafting, and so much more. I don't think they have the ability to actually create any systems that are of any depth.

Neoicelord wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Neoicelord wrote: »

Now that CP is being halted, what is the point of the expansion beyond just the story? The whole purpose of playing an MMORPG (and any RPG really) is to progress your character, they should have never gotten rid of VP.

The CP System gets reworked atm. That doesnt mean progression will stop. Progression is only stopped temporarily.

It's all empty promises. You think it will get reworked? I think these upcoming changes are the start and end to the death of vertical progression, and player choice. They are chasing this non-existent thing they call "balance". Balance will finally be achieved when everything is the same. Race, wont matter. Class, wont matter. Character progression, doesn't exist. Gear, who cares, have another proc set that does the same thing with some new animations and particle effects.

Don't get me wrong, CP was a very poorly executed system, but it was a system... I honestly do not see it being "reworked". It will be forgotten... like spell crafting, and so much more. I don't think they have the ability to actually create any systems that are of any depth.

Then why should i continue to play?

Thankfully Microsoft has a great refund system and i can get a full refund on ESO plus the day before my sub expires
and a full refund on Elsweyr collector's edition pre order.

That is really a question you have to answer yourself. I play the game for similar reasons as to you; I want to progress. I want something to work towards. There are far better RPGs to go play if I want to play a story driven game. I've tried taking extended breaks of 6+ months and returning, but with every update I lose more and more faith in the future of this game... it is just growing more and more away from the type of game I am looking to soak time and money into. I've come to the conclusion that if a few of the upcoming racial passives make it to the live server it will be the last straw for me. I will leave, and am fully ready to accept that. Sucks, because the game has tons of potential, and damn near a cult following of a player base. They want to cater to the casual players, the solo players, the people who play for the questing and the story, etc. That's fine... don't gut the game for the rest of us because once TES6 launches... who do you think is still going to be playing ESO? Surely not those who try to treat this as a single player RPG...

Neoicelord wrote: »

All i play an mmorpg for is getting gear, leveling and doing things that increases my characters power (like every other mmorpg)

i also enjoy playing the auction house and making millions but you know..the PC elites cry whenever people ask for an auction house (must be nice having a bunch of addons to help you, i play on Xbox)

Story and Lore are on the bottom of my list on reasons to play an mmorpg. i played WoW for 12 years and i could not tell you a thing about the story other then Arthas is a badass.

Contemplating cancelling my pre order and giving Black Desert a try when it comes to Xbox in a few weeks.

Yup, there's no more progression in this game other than doing storytime quests, maybe changing gear sets and what used to be horizontal progression with CPs. With level scaling, the gear doesn't even really matter either since you will just kill all the overland mobs really fast even with random trait gear, and if you go back to old content it's similar difficulty or easier because of scaling. No vertical progression with higher ilevels / new gear drops, and now we won't be getting anymore champion points because we had too much power creep and skip a lot of mechanics at max CP. I've found Final Fantasy's vertical progression closer to WoW's but with less RNG and none of that azerite grind. Lots of raids, dungeons, trials and so many main story quests. ESO leans toward players who do story content, then they leave or just wait it out until the next story content drops. Fashion and housing is what people do at end game, only a small % will end up doing PvP & trials (and there's not a lot of trials either compared to other MMOs). If you are trying BDO, good luck, it's very fun & has great combat and better graphics, but a lot of grinding and p2w mechanics. They push items in the store much like ESO, but you have items that give an advantage & the end game there is PvP, no PvE.

lokulin wrote: »

It is probably an unpopular opinion on these forums but I actually have no problem with power creep. It is an easy way to make older content more accessible to people that may not have the skill to complete hard mode or no death achievements. The hard core, top end players are always only ever playing the newer harder stuff anyway so who really cares if vMA, older DLC or older trials becomes easier. Constantly raising CP and the associated power creep seemed fine to me. I'm also ok with newer more powerful sets being added to keep that power creeping upwards. What I find bizzare is the constant nerfing that seems to be designed to make content harder for no apparent reason. As someone over the CP cap for the last few releases I definitely feel like my characters "power" has plateaued. I know it is an illusion but it would be nice to see my imaginary numbers continue to increase. My main concern at the moment is that they are going to gut CP and replace it with something that makes my character feel weaker rather than stronger. The jury is still out whether the upcoming racial passive changes will do just that.

Agree an low level power creep is good for a game, does not have to be much however.
New content tend to be harder anyway.
You also have players doing harder and harder content.

You however have the problem with endgame.

Neoicelord wrote: »

Now that CP is being halted, what is the point of the expansion beyond just the story? The whole purpose of playing an MMORPG (and any RPG really) is to progress your character, they should have never gotten rid of VP.

I don't under stand this mentality. Surely progressing is playing the game and getting better. Vet DLC HM, vMA flawless, etc

If progression means an arbitrary number well your CP is still ticking up, just not using it. But who cares? Power creep is making the game too easy and who wants that.

Are you really playing purely watching tour CP number grow? That's like starting threads to get forum stars.

Sure ill be happy when i hit forum star cap but it will come naturally staring at the stars wont help me