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AH is the reason my friends won't stay.
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✭✭It sounds like your friend probably doesn't have the temperament to play a game like this, so he might have just saved himself and you a lot of headache down the road by quitting now.PC/Xbox NA
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✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »rager82b14_ESO wrote: »My tank bud farm money for the Orgnum set. I told him about the tamriel website and he said been looking at it for a few days for no luck.
So he now thinks this game is trash because no global ah, it sucks because i was having fun playing with him.
if he doesn't see it on the trade center, a global AH wouldn't change that.
Go craft him a set of it.
Well.... on a global AH such as in WoW and RIFT, you will find nearly every level of gear. Of course, some of it will be beyond a joke for pricing....
But the availability is the point. That doesn't happen here. And while I get that the op is unhappy that this particular thing caused his friend to quit playing.... I personally wish there was a global AH like in most other major MMOs.
Yes. I'm aware that's not happening. I find it regrettable.... the fact that the devs chose to make the guild seller option sacrosanct.... well.... I have my thoughts about that. Nope. I'm not posting them. I do value my posting ability.
Yeah, you couldn't deconstruct in WoW.
So, there was almost always some crafted gear, of every level, on the AH, due to people selling the stuff they had made to level their crafts.
It was often underpriced, too, compared with the price of the mats it took to craft it; due to a high supply/low demand situation.
Although, it was quite often only certain pieces, as they were the easiest/cheapest ones to make and maximise levels gained.
You couldn't be guaranteed a full set of anything, below max level.
You could also buy more lower level dropped gear, but the prices went through the roof when transmog became a thing.
As people then wanted them for the (equivalent of) skins.
By the time you reached max level, there were always full sets available, though - I sold starter PVP ones, myself.
Really, the only way to be instantly guaranteed a full set of crafted gear, at any level in this game, is to make your first char a crafter and then use that to make gear for all the others.
I just roughed it on my first char, most of the time.
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✭✭✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »I understand you all have a negative view on him because of this outrage, but look at it through his point of view. He has been working butt off for gold, got to 160 champion, been saving up and wanted to do a build he thought would be fun to him. I understand it is not the best build, I understand much better gear out. I am sure he would get better sets in the future, but this open ended mmo set bonus are tied to builds, and he was having fun with a regen build. He did not care if it was the best, in fact he used heavy armor, 2 hander and massive champion points into regen. Doing open world stuff he did not feel weak, and when he needed to tank. Sword and board.
He lost his temper over something that seems silly to you all, but for him it is not. People saying it would not be on the AH because the set is bad, If ah is global, someone would sell it. It is just how a global market works. What I am trying to get at is I am sure he had other ideas for set bonus he wanted to try out, but he does not want to group with others because his build is not meta, and he finds it disrespectful to group with others clearly not playing the best he could. All he wanted to do is go out in the world, farm gold, and have ease of access to crafting gear through a market.
We can all call him silly, or say he was looking for excuses. We don't know what he is thinking. All I know is, he was excited, he was having fun, and this AH ruined it for him. Economy is a big part of mmos, and not having ease of access to even weaker gear sets through a global ah is a turn off for him.
Like I said, I am working on crafting now. I'm just annoyed with him about it.
Not really understanding the issue here.
He worked his butt off for gold..ok. He could then ask in chat to pay that gold to someone to craft that set for him. Simple as simple can be.
I've never in all my years playing had to scream in chat for an hour for a crafter. In fact, within seconds I usually have 10 players whispering me asking what I need.
I've also played many, many mmo's that have an auction house...true, he may, if he's extremely lucky, find a piece or two of a set, but you'll never find a FULL set of crafted gear. In any game. It would probably take months to get a complete set that way...so much easier to take 10 minuets and just ask. I can't make this clearer....in any MMO, crafted sets sell very poorly...just because there's a free market doesn't mean absolutely everything is for sale. If something isn't profitable, it doesn't go up for sale. It's almost impossible to find one of the more popular crafted sets in this game, let alone the mediocre set your friend was after.
It's not silly that he wanted that set...it's silly that he quit over doing it the easy way. Asking your guild or in chat...
Edited by Kel on February 5, 2019 5:09PM4 -
Spartabunny08✭✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »He is doing a life regen build nb tank. He wanted a regen set, I don't think he cares about being the best. All he wants is ease of use of getting the set since he has the gold for it.
I mean, he was having fun with the game until he found out about the ah. Oh well.
Green pact and beekeeper two overland easy to get sets, then work on crafting but this would easily serve the purposes stated until better or different can be acquired.1 -
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I've also played many, many mmo's that have an auction house...true, he may, if he's extremely lucky, find a piece or two of a set, but you'll never find a FULL set of crafted gear. In any game. It would probably take months to get a complete set that way...so much easier to take 10 minuets and just ask. I can't make this clearer....in any MMO, crafted sets sell very poorly...just because there's a free market doesn't mean absolutely everything is for sale. If something isn't profitable, it doesn't go up for sale.
I played WoW - perhaps the biggest and most well known MMO.
I listed full sets of (max level) crafted gear all the time.
Most of it PVP, if I remember correctly, but still.
I kept the AH stocked with all of the set pieces, all of the time and I was not alone.
People liked it to use until they got their Honor gear.Edited by Tigerseye on February 5, 2019 5:13PM0 -
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I've also played many, many mmo's that have an auction house...true, he may, if he's extremely lucky, find a piece or two of a set, but you'll never find a FULL set of crafted gear. In any game. It would probably take months to get a complete set that way...so much easier to take 10 minuets and just ask. I can't make this clearer....in any MMO, crafted sets sell very poorly...just because there's a free market doesn't mean absolutely everything is for sale. If something isn't profitable, it doesn't go up for sale.
I played WoW - perhaps the biggest and most well known MMO.
I listed full sets of (max level) crafted gear all the time.
Most of it PVP, if I remember correctly, but still.
I kept the AH stocked with all of the set pieces, all of the time and I was not alone.
PvP gear in WoW went out the window in Legion, when they scaled all gear for PvP. Literally every piece of gear became PvP gear...and the bonuses to gear you got from PvP didn't come from crafted sets.
You may have kept it stocked, but I know that stuff didn't sell after Legion.
They also did away with set bonus in BfA.
You are making my point...that stuff sells poorly. Even at its height, crafted PvP gear wasn't good, it was a foot in the door, very quickly replaced. Only noobs bought PvP crafted gear. Wasn't a big market for it, and sold extremely cheap.
That said, still has little relevance to ESO, where crafted gear isn't stocked and is rarely found.Edited by Kel on February 5, 2019 5:20PM2 -
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I've also played many, many mmo's that have an auction house...true, he may, if he's extremely lucky, find a piece or two of a set, but you'll never find a FULL set of crafted gear. In any game. It would probably take months to get a complete set that way...so much easier to take 10 minuets and just ask. I can't make this clearer....in any MMO, crafted sets sell very poorly...just because there's a free market doesn't mean absolutely everything is for sale. If something isn't profitable, it doesn't go up for sale.
I played WoW - perhaps the biggest and most well known MMO.
I listed full sets of (max level) crafted gear all the time.
Most of it PVP, if I remember correctly, but still.
I kept the AH stocked with all of the set pieces, all of the time and I was not alone.
People liked it to use until they got their Honor gear.
just like you can generally reliably find sets like Julianos and Torug's pact on guild traders in ESO. I would bet, unless for some reason you were eccentric - you did NOT list niche sets that wouldn't sell with any degree of speed.
dirty worthless casual.
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Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »I think the best thing I can do is just start crafting myself and one day make the gear for him. Eh gives me something to work on. He likes his orc regen build. So if I am able to craft gear for him. I think it would calm him down...but it is going to be awhile for sure lol.
What server? If he is on PC/NA all he has to do is hit me up @GravenDeadeye with an in game mail for what he needs and I'll make it happen.
I craft for low levels for tips (I do not's charge by piece)1 -
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✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »I understand you all have a negative view on him because of this outrage, but look at it through his point of view. He has been working butt off for gold, got to 160 champion, been saving up and wanted to do a build he thought would be fun to him. I understand it is not the best build, I understand much better gear out. I am sure he would get better sets in the future, but this open ended mmo set bonus are tied to builds, and he was having fun with a regen build. He did not care if it was the best, in fact he used heavy armor, 2 hander and massive champion points into regen. Doing open world stuff he did not feel weak, and when he needed to tank. Sword and board.
He lost his temper over something that seems silly to you all, but for him it is not. People saying it would not be on the AH because the set is bad, If ah is global, someone would sell it. It is just how a global market works. What I am trying to get at is I am sure he had other ideas for set bonus he wanted to try out, but he does not want to group with others because his build is not meta, and he finds it disrespectful to group with others clearly not playing the best he could. All he wanted to do is go out in the world, farm gold, and have ease of access to crafting gear through a market.
We can all call him silly, or say he was looking for excuses. We don't know what he is thinking. All I know is, he was excited, he was having fun, and this AH ruined it for him. Economy is a big part of mmos, and not having ease of access to even weaker gear sets through a global ah is a turn off for him.
Like I said, I am working on crafting now. I'm just annoyed with him about it.
If your friend cools off and comes back, look around for a good guild; I know of more than one out there that require no dues, require no social interaction at all after the invite is accepted, and has crafters who will craft for guildies for free if they have the mats. I know more than one crafter who will make under cp160 sets free; no mats asked for. If the invitee wants to join in world boss/anchors/pledges/pvp they are more than welcome to do so, but it isn't required.
AH or not, if you buy gear off the traders you either need to search until you find the pieces you need with the trait you want, or settle for the pieces you need with whatever trait is available. If you ask a crafter, you get the set/sets you want, the style you want, and the specific traits you want. Many crafters will also make the glyphs you want to enchant your gear. After early release I don't understand why anyone would take pot-luck on buying from an AH or guild traders when they can have custom made, bespoke gear.
I wish you luck on making your crafter. Learning the 8 traits for all 7 pieces of armor, plus weapons to make Orgnum's is going to take time. Add in more time if you're going to do jewelry as well.0 -
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✭✭✭Don't know what this business about the set is but the game definitely sucks this patch and wrathstone isn't looking alot better....
Most of my friends and myself are doing other things until esp gets better0 -
xan4silkb14_ESO✭✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »
The game doesn't need an AH, do a search on this forum, countless threads on this already. People come to this game and can't be bothered to learn it and moan about AH. We don't want one, this system is good you just need to learn it.
As others have said that set is a crafted set. So join a crafting guild (its an MMORPG after all, interaction with others is needed) besides a search function is coming to traders next patch.
Regardless the point is even with an AH you friend would not have found what he was looking for, that's what makes his rage quit even more ridiculous. It's a crafted set.
Join some trading guilds and from any bank in the land you can access their stores. Find a crafting guild (most traders do both) and ask about a master crafter. Ask on here, or in game plenty of guilds exist. And of course the longer path is to learn to craft yourself but i doubt your friend is patient enough to do that.
Speak for yourself. I've been playing since 2015, and I'm easily making gold with the current system, and I still hate it, because it's just pure garbage compared to a global AH. And if TTC didn't exist (which basically circumvents the cancer system currently) I probably wouldn't ever buy anything at all, because it's just an insane waste of time to run around looking for that one item you need at a reasonable price.
So yes, we DO want it. It would be the biggest QoL improvement since... well... ever.
Even with TTC, it's sometimes useless. I'll find something that I may want to buy, travel to where it was supposed to be listed and its not there.0 -
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✭✭✭TTC results have all sorts of inaccuracies built in, due to how it works.
(Nothing will get listed on TTC unless the seller has the TTC client running, or someone with the client running scans the store, and then either one needs to logout/reloadui. And the same backwards for notifications of a sale. Depending on the circumstances, there can be a delay of hours or more, on both ends of the process. And a few other issues.)
It's not perfect; it's working well enough to be used. I don't think the inadequacies are reason enough for an auction house.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »rager82b14_ESO wrote: »My tank bud farm money for the Orgnum set. I told him about the tamriel website and he said been looking at it for a few days for no luck.
So he now thinks this game is trash because no global ah, it sucks because i was having fun playing with him.
if he doesn't see it on the trade center, a global AH wouldn't change that.
Go craft him a set of it.
Well.... on a global AH such as in WoW and RIFT, you will find nearly every level of gear. Of course, some of it will be beyond a joke for pricing....
But the availability is the point. That doesn't happen here. And while I get that the op is unhappy that this particular thing caused his friend to quit playing.... I personally wish there was a global AH like in most other major MMOs.
Yes. I'm aware that's not happening. I find it regrettable.... the fact that the devs chose to make the guild seller option sacrosanct.... well.... I have my thoughts about that. Nope. I'm not posting them. I do value my posting ability.
Yeah, you couldn't deconstruct in WoW.
So, there was almost always some crafted gear, of every level, on the AH, due to people selling the stuff they had made to level their crafts.
It was often underpriced, too, compared with the price of the mats it took to craft it; due to a high supply/low demand situation.
Although, it was quite often only certain pieces, as they were the easiest/cheapest ones to make and maximise levels gained.
You couldn't be guaranteed a full set of anything, below max level.
You could also buy more lower level dropped gear, but the prices went through the roof when transmog became a thing.
As people then wanted them for the (equivalent of) skins.
By the time you reached max level, there were always full sets available, though - I sold starter PVP ones, myself.
Really, the only way to be instantly guaranteed a full set of crafted gear, at any level in this game, is to make your first char a crafter and then use that to make gear for all the others.
I just roughed it on my first char, most of the time.
Dressed her in whatever I could find out in the world.
Yep. That's what I did when I got here. I have my "main" crafter (the level 50), and a secondary (my first main a stam NB - IMPOSSIBLE to play with my ping), who's now 32.Sylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »rager82b14_ESO wrote: »So besides him being a crafter, how is he to get the set? Shouting for hours in chat? Ya, I'm not sure he is the type, He pretty much raged quit hardcore on me. So guess i should talk with him in a few days to see.
Or maybe you need less of a cry baby soft skinned and think skulled friend to game with you? This one doesn't seem fit at all to play an ever changing game as are all MMO.
Now, that was just mean. Shame on you.
Maybe mean, yes, but I stand by it. If the guy rage quit on his friend, he's a crybaby. You don't rage quit on your friends. Worst case, you let them down easy. They are you friends after all. Leaving a friend alone in a game is a bad move..
Dunno... Am I being that mean? Then I'm sorry, but the game is casual friendly enough, shouldn't be that hard to cope with a punishing decentralized market system.
Sorry, but yeah that's mean. I'm thinking these are pretty young people. And maybe they haven't played anything like this before. Also, seems like English isn't the first language....
So cut them some slack? Yes, the game is casual friendly (unless you're me with 2k+ ms ping - let me tell you how NOT EASY stuff is....) but still, there are people who get into a game like this with no conception of what it actually entails.
I guess.... my thing is now.... be kind. Please.
I get you, I'll try to be kinder, but as for the language thing, English isn't my first language either.
And I know about your latency... Every time you bring it up I feel rivers of sorry for you. I'm playing on 250-300 and it's already bad enough. How do you even bar swap with that ping?
Thanks for the empathy.... I don't of course - bar swap I mean. So I'm limited to one bar for everything, makes life difficult (though it wasn't too bad until my level 49 tankden got to 50 and went totally squishy - unpleasant surprise that).
And your English is very very good. I had no idea English isn't your first language.
Everyone on this forum should strive to be kinder. I'm sorry you got the rough edge of my tongue - I really should have directed that generally instead of specifically toward you. I hope you will forgive me!Edited by Sylvermynx on February 6, 2019 12:35AM1 -
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✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »I understand you all have a negative view on him because of this outrage, but look at it through his point of view. He has been working butt off for gold, got to 160 champion, been saving up and wanted to do a build he thought would be fun to him. I understand it is not the best build, I understand much better gear out. I am sure he would get better sets in the future, but this open ended mmo set bonus are tied to builds, and he was having fun with a regen build. He did not care if it was the best, in fact he used heavy armor, 2 hander and massive champion points into regen. Doing open world stuff he did not feel weak, and when he needed to tank. Sword and board.
He lost his temper over something that seems silly to you all, but for him it is not. People saying it would not be on the AH because the set is bad, If ah is global, someone would sell it. It is just how a global market works. What I am trying to get at is I am sure he had other ideas for set bonus he wanted to try out, but he does not want to group with others because his build is not meta, and he finds it disrespectful to group with others clearly not playing the best he could. All he wanted to do is go out in the world, farm gold, and have ease of access to crafting gear through a market.
We can all call him silly, or say he was looking for excuses. We don't know what he is thinking. All I know is, he was excited, he was having fun, and this AH ruined it for him. Economy is a big part of mmos, and not having ease of access to even weaker gear sets through a global ah is a turn off for him.
Like I said, I am working on crafting now. I'm just annoyed with him about it.
I understand his feeling, I came from WoW and I don't care much for the trader system in this game. A central game wide AH is so much easier. But, your friend is after a crafted set that is not meta so his chances of finding it on a trader are about nil, even if it were a central AH system like WoW has. I know I'd never craft that to toss on a trader. He needs to ask in either his guilds or zone chat for someone to craft it for him, offering either the mats plus a tip or straight up pay for the gear.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso1 -
Sav72✭✭✭✭✭Wait till your friend goes to PVP and exp, the FN lag fest.Savoifair, EP NB
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✭✭✭✭✭If your friend and you play on PS4NA, I'll also gladly throw my name in with those willing to help craft. He can spend that gold he worked hard for to buy mats and I'll craft it for free.
My ps4 gamer tag is kelsunstarEdited by Kel on February 6, 2019 3:58AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭What's suspicious is players offering in this thread to craft for this friend..and no word from OP.
Guessing this friend doesn't exist and this is lowkey (not so much) about OP wanting an auction house.2 -
rager82b14_ESO wrote: »So he now thinks this game is trash because no global ah, it sucks because i was having fun playing with him.
Just love how negative people can be. Truth is EVERY game have pros and cons (which still in 80 % is just a personal opinion). Auction house imo is maybe more efficient but..boring. Global auction house makes prices global. True: we have tcc and mm but still wandering in search of traders with items u want to buy is one of the many aspects of game which makes it more unique.
Aaaaaand plot twist with trying to buy craftable sets is hilarious.<PC EU>
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Sevalaricgirl✭✭✭✭✭I've been in the game since beta and I hate the fact that it doesn't have a real auction house. I think what they did was pathetically stupid and have voiced that many times since the first beta...but I'm still here because there is way more good than bad.0
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✭I played wow for years so I know about AH. With a single AH per server it was quite easy for one person to monopolize items.
And then you had players listing one single item x 200 so you had pages and pages of single items by the same player.
Sure ESO is quite different with various guild traders but that keeps prices competitive, gives trading guilds a reason to exist.
Having played games with both I prefer ESO's trading guilds.
OP..you and your friends really need to join some guilds. Playing solo without a guild hinders you.
I'm in 3 guilds and in any one of them there are players that can and do craft gear for guildies..sometimes just for mats or just the resource cost or sometimes just 100% free.
And when it comes to crafted gear on traders...there's so much variation you can have with crafted gear..traits, enchants, styles that it's not worth it to craft them and put them up for sale.0 -
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✭✭✭ESO doesn't need a global AH. It may be convenient for some but it would kill off an entire sub-genre of play involving flipping, competition, trade management, guilds, etc.
"Some people are benefiting because of the current idiotic system, therefore we must keep it!"
And I thought the logic of WoW players was bad.PC
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✭✭✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »My tank bud farm money for the Orgnum set. I told him about the tamriel website and he said been looking at it for a few days for no luck.
So he now thinks this game is trash because no global ah, it sucks because i was having fun playing with him.
This game's stubborn refusal to implement a global market has cost them a lot more players than just your friend. I know dozens of people who have quit over this personally - and in the larger scheme of things it has probably cost them thousands of customers. So your friend is hardly the first in this regard. Nor will he be the last.
It's a terrible system and there is a reason everyone uses "addons" when trying to interact with it. I'll never understand what ZOS or its defenders see in it.
If you're on PC NA and your friend comes back let me know. I"ll be happy to craft him the set.Edited by Jeremy on February 6, 2019 4:11PM0 -
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✭If the major reason your friend plays is due to the game having an AH then there are other games out that that have AH's.0
