ZOS has nerfed Altmer on PTS - Currently tied with Dunmer for lowest magicka DPS

Browiseth · February 2019

let's make something clear; and I think it's something people don't realise or don't want to realise.

The purpose of these changes isn't to "nerf" or "buff", it's to fundementally change what choosing your race means for you as a player in the first place. Currently, there are defined "best" races for certain roles, ZoS wants to change that, or at least mitigate it. I agree with this philosophy; it's something long overdue in this cancerous meta we find ourselves in this game. unfortunately, I don't think they're implementing this philosophy as well as they could be, but that's a whole other conversation.

Anyway, stop this. Stop this mentality of "this is being nerfed" or "now X is the best thing for X", it's not the point of these changes. Or it's not supposed to be, anyway.

bardx86 · February 2019

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

The problem is after the first round of racial changes Altmer wasn't over performing. All magic classes were pretty close in DPS.

dcam86b14_ESO · February 2019

Browiseth wrote: »

let's make something clear; and I think it's something people don't realise or don't want to realise.

The purpose of these changes isn't to "nerf" or "buff", it's to fundementally change what choosing your race means for you as a player in the first place. Currently, there are defined "best" races for certain roles, ZoS wants to change that, or at least mitigate it. I agree with this philosophy; it's something long overdue in this cancerous meta we find ourselves in this game. unfortunately, I don't think they're implementing this philosophy as well as they could be, but that's a whole other conversation.

Anyway, stop this. Stop this mentality of "this is being nerfed" or "now X is the best thing for X", it's not the point of these changes. Or it's not supposed to be, anyway.

So you're going to be ignorant of the facts. It's a nerf to some and huge buff for ZOS wallet. Many players have been playing the same toon for years, not because of META but because they actually RP as Altmer or Bosmer. A lot of PVE players as well play Altmer for the aesthetic and lore behind the passive. The way they continue to nerf and buff is around PVP which is only a small portion of their player base but is the loudest to cry.

zaria · February 2019

sionIV wrote: »

Currently tied with Dunmer for lowest magicka DPS

I didn't know that Imperial, Bosmer, Argonians, Nord, Redguard and Orc were all better at magicka DPS.

Breton, Altmer, Dunmer and now Khajiit is the magic DPS races. Breton is seen as best. note that diference is less than 1K on an 60K parse.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/455092/raid-buffed-dps-comparison-of-each-race-by-class-tests-graphs-interpretation-and-final-score/p1
Have no idea how much impact this has on Altmer but see no reason to nerf them then all the 3 other got some sort of buff.

Faulgor · February 2019

mxxo wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:

01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit

Everything else is just lore breaking.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.

There is basically no reason in the lore why Khajiit should not be able to be excellent Magicians/Sorcerers/Spellcasters. Indeed, they have breeds that are very suited for magic.

Ogou wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:

01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit

Everything else is just lore breaking.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.

I don't remember seeing anything against Khajiit mages in the lore.

Skwor wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:

01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit

Everything else is just lore breaking.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.

I don't remember seeing anything against Khajiit mages in the lore.

Actually they have several species specifically suited for magic who may be quite formidable. The lore is just silent on the strength of the afinity, it easily supports magic users.

So yes this is all within the canon of the game. Despite the dishonest protestations of some.

You are all totally right. Even Nords had famous mages. But this is not about a minority. This makes ALL Khajiit Mages. If i follow your argumentation then whatever passive is created is within the lore. Makes no sense.

Precisely. Making Altmer the best stam race would be "within the lore" as well, as they have Battlereeves that train martial combat for literal centuries. You could find a reason for anything like this.

DaveMoeDee · February 2019

bardx86 wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

The problem is after the first round of racial changes Altmer wasn't over performing. All magic classes were pretty close in DPS.

It is possible that the latest change was coded before that testing took place and will not remain. Changes aren't made in real time.

Don't forget that before PTS, many were saying that instead of Altmer and Dunmer mag DPS, everyone was going to end up Altmer. It makes sense that they prepared another adjustment based on that perception. Since the perception turned out to not be the reality, they can easily roll-back that adjustment.

Seraphayel · February 2019

bardx86 wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

The problem is after the first round of racial changes Altmer wasn't over performing. All magic classes were pretty close in DPS.

Yeah and they still are or did you see new parses that indicate something different? Altmer was 100-400 DPS (on some classes) behind Breton or Khajiit, so nothing. And the "nerf" who you all call it (which is a buff in PvP) won't change much in that regard.

Browiseth · February 2019

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

let's make something clear; and I think it's something people don't realise or don't want to realise.

The purpose of these changes isn't to "nerf" or "buff", it's to fundementally change what choosing your race means for you as a player in the first place. Currently, there are defined "best" races for certain roles, ZoS wants to change that, or at least mitigate it. I agree with this philosophy; it's something long overdue in this cancerous meta we find ourselves in this game. unfortunately, I don't think they're implementing this philosophy as well as they could be, but that's a whole other conversation.

Anyway, stop this. Stop this mentality of "this is being nerfed" or "now X is the best thing for X", it's not the point of these changes. Or it's not supposed to be, anyway.

So you're going to be ignorant of the facts. It's a nerf to some and huge buff for ZOS wallet. Many players have been playing the same toon for years, not because of META but because they actually RP as Altmer or Bosmer. A lot of PVE players as well play Altmer for the aesthetic and lore behind the passive. The way they continue to nerf and buff is around PVP which is only a small portion of their player base but is the loudest to cry.

@dcam86b14_ESO What are you talking about? Did you even read my post?

You're exhibiting the exact behaviour I was alluding to. You just jumped immediately to "I only care about how this affects me individually", rather than how these changes can affect the game and, by extension, the whole playerbase.

The new design philosophy is good. It's long overdue. If ZoS were handling it better, it would mean choosing your race isn't such a game changing decision at endgame; every race would be able to perform certain roles and bring their own unique twist to it.

That seems to be too big of a concept for a lot of people though, they only see the short term; the "I do 1% less dps now I quit the game" or, as you say, "this small statistic is the only thing retaining my sense of immersion and due to the change to it my suspension of disbelief has been completely shattered"

mxxo · February 2019

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:

01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit

Everything else is just lore breaking.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.

Imagine being so salty that your meta is no longer going to be the thing and so you try to make a very poor argument for lore over gameplay and balance in an MMO.

Imagine that your statement relates to nothing, because it is rly about lore for some ppl.

ParaNostram · February 2019

As somebody who has played as a magicka sorc that is a Bosmer since beta, to good effect mind you, I must say that you'll survive. If you're that heavily reliant on minmaxxing to achieve victory then every patch stands to rob you of your win. Learn to play regardless of balance and you will do better in the long run.

playsforfun · February 2019

yes they nerf the best two magicka classes because they know that everyone plays those races, I see this as a cash grab and it'll end up as dcuo did making you feel like you need to buy tokens to change your character every other month.

very disappointed nearly to the point of being disgusted that it might even happen this way.

shaielzafine · February 2019

Browiseth wrote: »

let's make something clear; and I think it's something people don't realise or don't want to realise.

The purpose of these changes isn't to "nerf" or "buff", it's to fundementally change what choosing your race means for you as a player in the first place. Currently, there are defined "best" races for certain roles, ZoS wants to change that, or at least mitigate it. I agree with this philosophy; it's something long overdue in this cancerous meta we find ourselves in this game. unfortunately, I don't think they're implementing this philosophy as well as they could be, but that's a whole other conversation.

Anyway, stop this. Stop this mentality of "this is being nerfed" or "now X is the best thing for X", it's not the point of these changes. Or it's not supposed to be, anyway.

@Browiseth That's the reason they said they want to change the racial passives. And here we are, Imperials / Nords are still not viable for healers or magdps, Bretons are still not going to have any passives that help with stamina dps, Argonians do not have any racial passives for dps, Bosmer still won't be great for magdps, so on and so forth. So in reality, ZOS has just reshuffled the racial passives in an attempt to "balance" the game. With Khajiit being the most buffed so far, suddenly more viable for magdps than altmer / dunmer while still being viable for stamina dps. Coupled with the boons to Shadow mundus stone, I imagine a lot of people will race change to Khajiit in time for the Khajiit / Elsweyr expansion. So really, what has ZOS achieved? Shuffling the meta races around? I get that we have free race change tokens and they're marking down the racial tokens on sale they said, but do they achieve the "balance" that they want? If the meta chasers can compute one race is still mathematically pulling more dps or sustain for tanking / healing than another then isn't that the same as the state we have it today? What about for people that roleplay? Now they'll find their racial passives are so much different compared to the racials they had years ago when they made their character.

Browiseth · February 2019

shaielzafine wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

let's make something clear; and I think it's something people don't realise or don't want to realise.

The purpose of these changes isn't to "nerf" or "buff", it's to fundementally change what choosing your race means for you as a player in the first place. Currently, there are defined "best" races for certain roles, ZoS wants to change that, or at least mitigate it. I agree with this philosophy; it's something long overdue in this cancerous meta we find ourselves in this game. unfortunately, I don't think they're implementing this philosophy as well as they could be, but that's a whole other conversation.

Anyway, stop this. Stop this mentality of "this is being nerfed" or "now X is the best thing for X", it's not the point of these changes. Or it's not supposed to be, anyway.

@Browiseth That's the reason they said they want to change the racial passives. And here we are, Imperials / Nords are still not viable for healers or magdps, Bretons are still not going to have any passives that help with stamina dps, Argonians do not have any racial passives for dps, Bosmer still won't be great for magdps, so on and so forth. So in reality, ZOS has just reshuffled the racial passives in an attempt to "balance" the game. With Khajiit being the most buffed so far, suddenly more viable for magdps than altmer / dunmer while still being viable for stamina dps. Coupled with the boons to Shadow mundus stone, I imagine a lot of people will race change to Khajiit in time for the Khajiit / Elsweyr expansion. So really, what has ZOS achieved? Shuffling the meta races around? I get that we have free race change tokens and they're marking down the racial tokens on sale they said, but do they achieve the "balance" that they want? If the meta chasers can compute one race is still mathematically pulling more dps or sustain for tanking / healing than another then isn't that the same as the state we have it today? What about for people that roleplay? Now they'll find their racial passives are so much different compared to the racials they had years ago when they made their character.

That's what I said, yes. I agree they aren't following their supposed philosophy as well as they should be, and I share your frustrations in that regard. But this is their philosophy, and my original point is that everyone seems to be unaware or willfully ignorant of it.

@shaielzafine

IzzyStardust · February 2019

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

I guess things being ‘beyond you’ is a pretty regular occurrence then.

Princess_Ciri · February 2019

I've said it multiple times in multiple threads: these changes are idiotic, not to mention lore-breaking and in general just lacking logic.

People are rightfully disappointed because ZOS have taken away a key racial passive from a race that the vast majority built for magicka dps or a healer with excellent sustain. If these changes go live they will have neither and will end up as a weak race choice for any role in any end game situation when compared to Khajit, Breton or Nord.

Honestly I would just like it if ZOS could make gameplay balancing decisions that are actually balanced. Where is the reasoning behind these changes? Because I read the 'Dev comment' about the change and it is just so totally disconnected from what Altmer will be if these changes go ahead.

"The main focus of High Elves are their ability to deal high amounts of damage or healing with Magicka-based abilities and this sustain passive was helping them stand ahead of too many other races that also deal heavily with Magicka-based abilities."

It is interesting that ZOS thinks this because with the first round of PTS racial changes, High Elves were just about equal with Breton/Khajit but not by any means better. In fact you would be wrong to say that they were stood ahead of the other races (Dunmer/Breton) that dealt magicka-based damage. And now, not only are they doing less dps, but they have worse sustain and a 'utility' passive that is a meme.

It should not be needed that when ZOS introduce these awful gameplay changes that the entire community has to complain about it with endless threads before they finally see reason (and they may not even see reason). I'm just really frustrated and disappointed about all of this. It makes me feel like the developers don't understand their own game.

IzzyStardust · February 2019

Eshja wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Also I LOVE - and I mean ADORE my character.

I will quit healing raids (which basically means I would likely quit the game - as I Heal Raids and also do some other stuff if I have time) before I'll change her into something else.

Oh, I know how you feel. Imagine loving bosmers and healing. I was bosmer nightblade healer for a year and then I changed for dunmer. Felt like I killed her or something. Kinda still regret it, but well.

I feel ya! I do (why you made a bosmer l to heal in the first place because weren’t they always bad for it? I don’t know, but I still feel ya!).

I am levelling a Breton now in advance and will hand off my healer gear all to her. I’ll earn all my bag space/other stuff for her in game, ZOS is not getting one penny from me for this nonsense and I am never changing my character. I’ve had her longer than my cat! I’ve had her longer than many have had their adulthood, their spouses and their kids! 😂

IzzyStardust · February 2019

Eshja wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Also I LOVE - and I mean ADORE my character.

I will quit healing raids (which basically means I would likely quit the game - as I Heal Raids and also do some other stuff if I have time) before I'll change her into something else.

Oh, I know how you feel. Imagine loving bosmers and healing. I was bosmer nightblade healer for a year and then I changed for dunmer. Felt like I killed her or something. Kinda still regret it, but well.

I’ll find something else to do with her; or else she will be retired and living a life of travel and decorating. We will see later....but levelling that Breton in case!

bardx86 · February 2019

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bardx86 · February 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

The problem is after the first round of racial changes Altmer wasn't over performing. All magic classes were pretty close in DPS.

Yeah and they still are or did you see new parses that indicate something different? Altmer was 100-400 DPS (on some classes) behind Breton or Khajiit, so nothing. And the "nerf" who you all call it (which is a buff in PvP) won't change much in that regard.

I did see the new parse with the mag regen passive not nerfed and I agree 100-400 is not bad but removing the regen it's going to be much lower.

Also It's not a buff for PVP. As altmer sorc i have terrible mag sustain as it it. This makes it worse. I'll have to add more mag sustain now somehow. Stam management is fine as is

Moral of the story they should just have left it the way it was.

blkjag · February 2019

I really hope they revert this change. It’s usless for pve

Skwor · February 2019

mxxo wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:

01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit

Everything else is just lore breaking.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.

Imagine being so salty that your meta is no longer going to be the thing and so you try to make a very poor argument for lore over gameplay and balance in an MMO.

Imagine that your statement relates to nothing, because it is rly about lore for some ppl.

Those for whom it is all about the lore are a very very small percentage and honestly they would more likely be reading a book than playing this game. I am just not buying what you are trying to peddle.

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

I guess things being ‘beyond you’ is a pretty regular occurrence then.

Given many people fail to think through or seek understanding then yes, such behavoir is beyond me. Your attempt at a personal attack squarely falls into this category 😇

Seraphayel · February 2019

bardx86 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

The problem is after the first round of racial changes Altmer wasn't over performing. All magic classes were pretty close in DPS.

Yeah and they still are or did you see new parses that indicate something different? Altmer was 100-400 DPS (on some classes) behind Breton or Khajiit, so nothing. And the "nerf" who you all call it (which is a buff in PvP) won't change much in that regard.

I did see the new parse with the mag regen passive not nerfed and I agree 100-400 is not bad but removing the regen it's going to be much lower.

Also It's not a buff for PVP. As altmer sorc i have terrible mag sustain as it it. This makes it worse. I'll have to add more mag sustain now somehow. Stam management is fine as is

Moral of the story they should just have left it the way it was.

What kills you more likely in PvP, being out of Magicka or being out of Stamina not able to block, dodge roll or run? For me it's in 9/10 cases the lack of Stamina to counter CC. I'd say it's a buff for PvP.

bardx86 · February 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

The problem is after the first round of racial changes Altmer wasn't over performing. All magic classes were pretty close in DPS.

Yeah and they still are or did you see new parses that indicate something different? Altmer was 100-400 DPS (on some classes) behind Breton or Khajiit, so nothing. And the "nerf" who you all call it (which is a buff in PvP) won't change much in that regard.

I did see the new parse with the mag regen passive not nerfed and I agree 100-400 is not bad but removing the regen it's going to be much lower.

Also It's not a buff for PVP. As altmer sorc i have terrible mag sustain as it it. This makes it worse. I'll have to add more mag sustain now somehow. Stam management is fine as is

Moral of the story they should just have left it the way it was.

What kills you more likely in PvP, being out of Magicka or being out of Stamina not able to block, dodge roll or run? For me it's in 9/10 cases the lack of Stamina to counter CC. I'd say it's a buff for PvP.

I don't really block or use run I have streak. Stam on my build its a huge issue other than the CC immunity problems. The bigger issue is how much I have to put into magicka sustain that effects my damage output. this change makes it worse.

I get your point tho and in this situation I would chose Dunmer over altmer for that exact reason as it offers more in PVP.

I would prefer a more damage oriented passive like penetration. This would allow me to add regen to my build but maintain the damage it currently has.

mxxo · February 2019

Skwor wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:

01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit

Everything else is just lore breaking.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.

Imagine being so salty that your meta is no longer going to be the thing and so you try to make a very poor argument for lore over gameplay and balance in an MMO.

Imagine that your statement relates to nothing, because it is rly about lore for some ppl.

Those for whom it is all about the lore are a very very small percentage and honestly they would more likely be reading a book than playing this game. I am just not buying what you are trying to peddle.

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

I guess things being ‘beyond you’ is a pretty regular occurrence then.

Given many people fail to think through or seek understanding then yes, such behavoir is beyond me. Your attempt at a personal attack squarely falls into this catsgoty 😇

Lol, as if you would be a judge of some sort.. I dont care what you buy or not. The same way i dont buy that you discuss honestly, the only reason you discuss is discussion. You are just quoting and commenting without a clear own position. And now we are totally out of topic.

Skwor · February 2019

mxxo wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:

01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit

Everything else is just lore breaking.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.

Imagine being so salty that your meta is no longer going to be the thing and so you try to make a very poor argument for lore over gameplay and balance in an MMO.

Imagine that your statement relates to nothing, because it is rly about lore for some ppl.

Those for whom it is all about the lore are a very very small percentage and honestly they would more likely be reading a book than playing this game. I am just not buying what you are trying to peddle.

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

I guess things being ‘beyond you’ is a pretty regular occurrence then.

Given many people fail to think through or seek understanding then yes, such behavoir is beyond me. Your attempt at a personal attack squarely falls into this catsgoty 😇

Lol, as if you would be a judge of some sort.. I dont care what you buy or not. The same way i dont buy that you discuss honestly, the only reason you discuss is discussion.

I am the only judge of what I will accept or not accept, how would it be otherwise?
You somehow think others outside of myself should make personal judgements for me?

Pretty sure you would not allow that for yourself. It is a bit arrogant to demand others accept your judgement of their personal choices.

I always get to chose what I buy and I am sure you do the same.

mxxo · February 2019

Skwor wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:

01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit

Everything else is just lore breaking.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.

Imagine being so salty that your meta is no longer going to be the thing and so you try to make a very poor argument for lore over gameplay and balance in an MMO.

Imagine that your statement relates to nothing, because it is rly about lore for some ppl.

Those for whom it is all about the lore are a very very small percentage and honestly they would more likely be reading a book than playing this game. I am just not buying what you are trying to peddle.

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

I guess things being ‘beyond you’ is a pretty regular occurrence then.

Given many people fail to think through or seek understanding then yes, such behavoir is beyond me. Your attempt at a personal attack squarely falls into this catsgoty 😇

Lol, as if you would be a judge of some sort.. I dont care what you buy or not. The same way i dont buy that you discuss honestly, the only reason you discuss is discussion.

I am the only judge of what I will accept or not accept, how would it be otherwise?
You somehow think others outside of myself should make personal judgements for me?

Pretty sure you would not allow that for yourself. It is a bit arrogant to demand others accept your judgement of their personal choices.

I always get to chose what I buy and I am sure you do the same.

I will answer you in a pm, since this doesnt relate in any way to this topic anymore.

Skwor · February 2019

mxxo wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

mxxo wrote: »

When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:

01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit

Everything else is just lore breaking.

Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.

Imagine being so salty that your meta is no longer going to be the thing and so you try to make a very poor argument for lore over gameplay and balance in an MMO.

Imagine that your statement relates to nothing, because it is rly about lore for some ppl.

Those for whom it is all about the lore are a very very small percentage and honestly they would more likely be reading a book than playing this game. I am just not buying what you are trying to peddle.

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.

Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.

Unbelievable.

It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.

I guess things being ‘beyond you’ is a pretty regular occurrence then.

Given many people fail to think through or seek understanding then yes, such behavoir is beyond me. Your attempt at a personal attack squarely falls into this catsgoty 😇

Lol, as if you would be a judge of some sort.. I dont care what you buy or not. The same way i dont buy that you discuss honestly, the only reason you discuss is discussion.

I am the only judge of what I will accept or not accept, how would it be otherwise?
You somehow think others outside of myself should make personal judgements for me?

Pretty sure you would not allow that for yourself. It is a bit arrogant to demand others accept your judgement of their personal choices.

I always get to chose what I buy and I am sure you do the same.

I will answer you in a pm, since this doesnt relate in any way to this topic anymore.

Unwelcome and a dodge. I repeat only I get to decide what is acceptable to me. Saying "I do not buy it" is a simple colloquialism indicating what I chose to accept on a personal level, therefore entirely within my own judgement and no one else's.

I do agree though it is derailing the thread so I will stop this line of debate.

ezio45 · February 2019

IzzyStardust wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Princess_Ciri wrote: »

It's even worse for anyone who plays High Elf healer in PvE, since spell damage is fairly useless for healing in most situations, so gutting Altmer sustain is killing it entirely as an option for healing.

And a lot of people used them as healers on live. This is such a bewildering change I honestly am frightened for the game moving forward if this is the first change made by Wheeler and Co.

Yes because we had them since The Beginning. Now it's all go be a Breton. No thanks. Stop messing everything up!

^^^^^

Chicharron · February 2019

"The return for this passive will now restore your lowest maximum resource, rather than your highest. We also increased the value to 645 from 525"

I thought that adding cooldown to the shields was a ridiculous idea.

Combat Gameplay Team Mobile HQ

Wildberryjack · February 2019

Altmer are supposed to be the strongest magic race though, these changes don't make any sense. I like my MagSorc as an Altmer but if I'm going to be losing DPS and sustain both then I guess I'll have to change him. It isn't what I want, I made him my Sorcerer due to the lore, High Elf = Magic. But, not anymore?