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ZOS has nerfed Altmer on PTS - Currently tied with Dunmer for lowest magicka DPS
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ThePlayer✭✭✭✭They try to mix pvp and pve balance with the classes, only that cant works. Now the High Elf magicka recovery stamina instead of magicka….the Genius that make this change play the game?3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »MAKE REDGUARD MAGSORC a THING!
Redguard Magsorc isn't that bad actually if you use Force Pulse as a spammable, as the weapon skill cost reduction also works for destro staffs. This includes ultimates, so together with Power Stone passive, Redguard Sorcs have the cheapest Elemental Rage possible.
So overall, magicka Redguards will have better sustain than Altmer.
Crazy, right?Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.3 -
deLioncourt✭✭✭✭"Spell Recharge: The return for this passive will now restore your lowest maximum resource, rather than your highest. We also increased the value to 645 from 525."
So this passive is now literally absolutely useless? Nice going zenimax.6 -
shaielzafine✭✭✭✭✭People said before that the races are balanced with the new changes, and dunmer magdks are fine,etc etc. And I'm looking at some more changes to racials and here we have dunmer being buffed and altmer being changed lol. Honestly, ZOS just reshuffled the races and just mega buffed Khajiit right before the Khajiit expansion. It's like roulette, you don't know what racial they're going to touch next. Other than Khajiit, I'm sure the cat race will come out fine. It looks good for mag & stamina as it is right now. I don't know about tanking or healing compared to Nords and other races, but for DPS Khajiit looks great!2
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zergbase_ESO✭✭✭✭So damn glad for this change not forced to play a dang Altmer and I can acually enjoy my character model and have more fun in a game
! Lore be danged sit in your corners. Gameplay> Your Lore. ((This follows with most MMO's.)) 3 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭zergbase_ESO wrote: »So damn glad for this change not forced to play a dang Altmer and I can acually enjoy my character model and have more fun in a game! Lore be danged sit in your corners. Gameplay> Your Lore. ((This follows with most MMO's.))
It actually is not against the lore either. That is just a fabricated excuse being used by some in an attempt to justfy why their preferred race should just have it better than every other race.😉5 -
MikaHR✭✭✭✭✭Its just a bunch of kiddies raging because their race is now 0.05% behind on a dummy, while before it was 10% ahead of everyone else. Its hilarious to watch actually.
"Lore" is just pathetically weak argument as they dont really have much else.Edited by MikaHR on February 5, 2019 2:55PM7 -
sionIV✭✭✭✭✭Currently tied with Dunmer for lowest magicka DPS
I didn't know that Imperial, Bosmer, Argonians, Nord, Redguard and Orc were all better at magicka DPS.
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Austinseph1✭✭✭✭✭If a 2% difference between races make you quit I’m surprised you even play MMO’s. Every MMO goes through seasons, The actual goal isn’t real balance it’s about change. Making every class and race do the exact same damage sounds balanced but makes games stagnant really fast. I’ve never been in a balanced MMO in the last 11 years lol. They make them close enough but there is still stuff to chase and BIS classes and gear for hardcore players to chase.1 -
Ogou✭✭✭✭✭When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.3 -
mxxo✭✭✭✭When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.5 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
There is basically no reason in the lore why Khajiit should not be able to be excellent Magicians/Sorcerers/Spellcasters. Indeed, they have breeds that are very suited for magic.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -5 -
Ogou✭✭✭✭✭When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
I don't remember seeing anything against Khajiit mages in the lore.2 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
I don't remember seeing anything against Khajiit mages in the lore.
Actually they have several species specifically suited for magic who may be quite formidable. The lore is just silent on the strength of the afinity, it easily supports magic users.
So yes this is all within the canon of the game. Despite the dishonest protestations of some.3 -
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✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »It's insane. I really cannot believe it. IDK what they are thinking.
Been a High Elf Templar _HEALER_ (I deconned my DPS gear after the whole This is my House catastrophe) through it all and I am not giving up my character. She would just not be the same - as any other being. I love playing her now and I would HATE it if she were someone else. (and I don't even roleplay - but I've had her nearly 5 years! That's longer than most peoples' relationships!)
As an aside to pure balance reasons: I really don't think it's cool to put best stats on any 'niche' (animal) race.
Not only because it's not fair to have them unbalanced anyway, but some types of people like/love/prefer to play animals or whatever, some people strictly find that creepy, some people are in between.
I know it is kind of a side topic and not important 'as such' to end game - but it is still a thing to consider.
You did it to Argonians before and now you do it to Khajiit - it is not hard to connect the dots here. I feel like they do this to see loads of tails running around so it looks like Elsweyr was such a big success lookit all the cats!
Animal races are no more niche than any non-animal race. They are all equally races to choose from.
That being said, the consensus seems quite strong that this change won't work as the final approach.
It is possible that the recent change to Altmer was coded before people computed DPS on PTS. Before PTS, people in the forums seems to be saying that Dunmer was nerfed and everyone would end up Altmer. They might have been preparing for that outcome, which turned out to not be the case. They can easily change to something else. It isn't like we even have a release day yet.0 -
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✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
You have not been in PvP lately right? AD gets *** by 1 v X Stam DK's and the reason whty AD nightcaps is because they simply cannot compete with the standard races of EP and DC. In some case 15 players are running after I stam DK that is nigh impossible to kill and that can basically 2 shot enemy
Not only is the strongest races hidden behind a paywall of the ANY RACE ANY ALLIANCE token but they are also forcing you to play completely out of lore builds for PvP. Every alliance should have a BIS race for magica and a BIS race for staminaEdited by marius_buys on February 5, 2019 3:49PMGolden Clover AD PvP on PC EU (since 2017) Guildex https://eso.guildex.org/view-guild/17669 Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1312113207951961 -
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Yes, don't understand this.MLGProPlayer wrote: »EDIT: The patch went live. Altmer are officially tied for bottom magicka DPS with dunmer. Way to go ZOS.Spell Recharge: The return for this passive will now restore your lowest maximum resource, rather than your highest. We also increased the value to 645 from 525.
I know not many people read the Combat & Character Mechanics board, so I'm going to share it here to get exposure.
Why is this a problem? Altmer is currently behind Khajiit and Breton in terms of DPS on the PTS. ZOS wants to knock them down even further.
Here is DPS testing of all the classes on PTS:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/455092/raid-buffed-dps-comparison-of-each-race-by-class-tests-graphs-interpretation-and-final-score/p1
Another one (less testing, but from a top player):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-HGXW_B7EE
The current meta appears to be Khajiit >/= Breton > Altmer. ZOS actually plans to buff Khajiit in the next patch.
Altmer has the lowest damage and mediocre sustain. 575 magicka return every 6 seconds is the same as 192 magicka recovery, which is hardly anything. The 258 spell damage is beaten by the +8% crit for Khajiit and the Breton's Berserker glyph.
ZOS is just looking at these values on paper while COMPLETELY ignoring actual testing. Please take your feedback to the PTS and C&CM forums.
Khajiit get an small buff because nerf to stealth.
Dunmer get more resources and less health, this is an buff even if they might need an health glyph.
Breton got an survival buff.
Giving Altmer an small buff had made more sense than an serious nerf.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭marius_buys wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »
You have not been in PvP lately right? AD gets *** by 1 v X Stam DK's and the reason whty AD nightcaps is because they simply cannot compete with the standard races of EP and DC. In some case 15 players are running after I stam DK that is nigh impossible to kill and that can basically 2 shot enemy
Not only is the strongest races hidden behind a paywall of the ANY RACE ANY ALLIANCE token but they are also forcing you to play completely out of lore builds for PvP. Every alliance should have a BIS race for magica and a BIS race for stamina
Wow so much wrongness I could spend all day unpacking it.
Let me just do the most obvious, there is no way anyone plays an AD race and choses to change their play hours to nightcap becuase the racial passives are weaker than another player's.
Minus the very rare exception, the only reason nightcapping occurs is becuase those are the natural play hours for the person behind the toon. To suggest anything else is utterly ridiculous.Edited by Skwor on February 5, 2019 3:59PM4 -
mxxo✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
There is basically no reason in the lore why Khajiit should not be able to be excellent Magicians/Sorcerers/Spellcasters. Indeed, they have breeds that are very suited for magic.When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
I don't remember seeing anything against Khajiit mages in the lore.When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
I don't remember seeing anything against Khajiit mages in the lore.
Actually they have several species specifically suited for magic who may be quite formidable. The lore is just silent on the strength of the afinity, it easily supports magic users.
So yes this is all within the canon of the game. Despite the dishonest protestations of some.
You are all totally right. Even Nords had famous mages. But this is not about a minority. This makes ALL Khajiit Mages. If i follow your argumentation then whatever passive is created is within the lore. Makes no sense.4 -
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✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
There is basically no reason in the lore why Khajiit should not be able to be excellent Magicians/Sorcerers/Spellcasters. Indeed, they have breeds that are very suited for magic.When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
I don't remember seeing anything against Khajiit mages in the lore.When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
I don't remember seeing anything against Khajiit mages in the lore.
Actually they have several species specifically suited for magic who may be quite formidable. The lore is just silent on the strength of the afinity, it easily supports magic users.
So yes this is all within the canon of the game. Despite the dishonest protestations of some.
You are all totally right. Even Nords had famous mages. But this is not about a minority. This makes ALL Khajiit Mages. If i follow your argumentation then whatever passive is created is within the lore. Makes no sense.
Actually it makes sense, this is an MMO not a single player. All races/class specializations should be close enough to be viable in any role. Some should be better but the difference should be minor enough as to not significantly impact end game performace, this way all options are viable.Edited by Skwor on February 5, 2019 4:24PM3 -
mxxo✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
There is basically no reason in the lore why Khajiit should not be able to be excellent Magicians/Sorcerers/Spellcasters. Indeed, they have breeds that are very suited for magic.When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
I don't remember seeing anything against Khajiit mages in the lore.When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes and makes Khajiit a top Mag DPS.
I don't remember seeing anything against Khajiit mages in the lore.
Actually they have several species specifically suited for magic who may be quite formidable. The lore is just silent on the strength of the afinity, it easily supports magic users.
So yes this is all within the canon of the game. Despite the dishonest protestations of some.
You are all totally right. Even Nords had famous mages. But this is not about a minority. This makes ALL Khajiit Mages. If i follow your argumentation then whatever passive is created is within the lore. Makes no sense.
Actually it makes sense, this is an MMO not a single player. All races should be close enough to be viable in any role. Some should be better but the difference should be minor enough as to not significantly impact end game performace, this way all options are viable.
Again you are right. But then give Orc Magicka aswell. But since there are differences, differences should be according to lore.Edited by mxxo on February 5, 2019 4:25PM1 -
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IzzyStardust wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Princess_Ciri wrote: »It's even worse for anyone who plays High Elf healer in PvE, since spell damage is fairly useless for healing in most situations, so gutting Altmer sustain is killing it entirely as an option for healing.
And a lot of people used them as healers on live. This is such a bewildering change I honestly am frightened for the game moving forward if this is the first change made by Wheeler and Co.
Yes because we had them since The Beginning. Now it's all go be a Breton. No thanks. Stop messing everything up!
As much as I love a good HIMYM reference when I see one... people on these forums panic way too much, way too easily.
[also, does that picture imply that Robin works at ZOS?
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WELL SINCE TA FRICKING DA WE GET STAM REGEN NOW - can we panic yet?!0 -
Eshja✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »Also I LOVE - and I mean ADORE my character.
I will quit healing raids (which basically means I would likely quit the game - as I Heal Raids and also do some other stuff if I have time) before I'll change her into something else.
Oh, I know how you feel. Imagine loving bosmers and healing. I was bosmer nightblade healer for a year and then I changed for dunmer. Felt like I killed her or something. Kinda still regret it, but well.
@Eshja (PC EU) Master crafter | Roleplayer | Trial scrub | Love healing ♥
My characters: Nimpys Elenmir| Narielle Telvanni | Moans-Loudly | Vivienne The Zookeeper | Zamiatająca-Ogonem | Kha'mathre | Irgret Soul-Breaker0 -
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✭Illuvatarr wrote: »I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.
Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.
Unbelievable.2 -
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✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »Illuvatarr wrote: »I think people are over reacting. Look at the Altmer racial passives/abilities. Change your gear up accordingly to accommodate the change. Altmer should still be top dps with right gear combination. You can’t compare it to other races in same gear sets as the racials pretty clearly point out which gear sets to use.
Whatever - they just gave altmer stam regen.
Unbelievable.
It was decided to make it a minor utility buff instead of just removing the original buff all together. This was done due to the race overperforming. How people miss this was a good thing is beyond me.Edited by Skwor on February 5, 2019 4:57PM4 -
Psyonico✭✭✭deLioncourt wrote: »"Spell Recharge: The return for this passive will now restore your lowest maximum resource, rather than your highest. We also increased the value to 645 from 525."
So this passive is now literally absolutely useless? Nice going zenimax.
Yeah, no idea what they were thinking on this one.4 -
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✭✭✭✭When it comes to Mag DPS it should be that order:
01 Altmer
01 Dunmer
02 Breton
...
20 Khajiit
Everything else is just lore breaking.
Imagine being one of those poor writers at Bethesda or ZOS who worked hard to create a deep, interesting and diverse lore where every race have own special and unique style of magic and someone comes out and reduce it to a freaking list.
Imagine being so salty that your meta is no longer going to be the thing and so you try to make a very poor argument for lore over gameplay and balance in an MMO.
Edited by Korah_Eaglecry on February 5, 2019 5:00PMPenniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax7
