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ZonasArch
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There... A quick summary of this week's *untested* pts changes posts. If you wanna know what happened, so do I and literally everyone else because the changes aren't even up yet... But out beloved whiners are already HARD at it flooding the forums, so I thought I would join the Altmer flood this time.
Altmer.
Edited by ZonasArch on February 5, 2019 2:21PM There... A quick summary of this week's *untested* pts changes posts. If you wanna know what happened, so do I and literally everyone else because the changes aren't even up yet... But out beloved whiners are already HARD at it flooding the forums, so I thought I would join the Altmer flood this time.
Altmer.
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We don't need to run tests to know that Altmer are worse off than they were before today. They were already weaker than Khajiit and Breton in testing from the first PTS iteration and they were just nerfed.17 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Skepticism is good.
But this change is obviously not good and most people see that. There is nothing to be tested in this case. What do you want to test about it ?
Altmer lost all their sustain, stamina regen is not what pvers and most pvpers want from an Altmer character and on top of that, this change is not lore friendly at all. People are right to get upset about this and even if the pts is not up yet, their arguments are valid.
You are making all those long lived pve players look like fools by questioning things they can very well know out of experience.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Two points to be made... Nerf for who? It'll be a buff for some. This game is far from as narrow as you guys try to paint it. And this goes for all the other changes too, we all know how this forum behaves with these naysayers future tellers. Every. Single. Patch.
Second point, it was not about the lack of testing per se, that's secondary. It's about the excessive amount of posts saying exactly the same thing. It's hard to follow the debate, hard for devs to read feedback, hard for us to keep track of who is thinking what. People don't look for threads before creating their own. It's annoying to say the least.
Anyway... Good luck to all of yours that really need that 500 extra dps you lost. Maybe you will get it back. They seem to be changing a lot in this pts.1 -
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✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »We don't need to run tests to know that Altmer are worse off than they were before today. They were already weaker than Khajiit and Breton in testing from the first PTS iteration and they were just nerfed.
I see a lot of your posts everywhere. I think I understand you're "quite unsatisfied" with the changes. But don't you think this change in the passive was to account for the increase in max stats that comes with this update? The altmers might even get higher parses, who knows. I just feel like it's quite misleading to spread information like that on the forum without actual testing. I understand the frustration, but it's quite saddening to see so much emotion spread accross all the pts section. Let's wait for the server to be up again, right?PC - EU - France - AD
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Skepticism is good.
But this change is obviously not good and most people see that. There is nothing to be tested in this case. What do you want to test about it ?
Altmer lost all their sustain, stamina regen is not what pvers and most pvpers want from an Altmer character and on top of that, this change is not lore friendly at all. People are right to get upset about this and even if the pts is not up yet, their arguments are valid.
You are making all those long lived pve players look like fools by questioning things they can very well know out of experience.
Flood is flood. Just look for the other posts complaining about the same things and join them! Get things together! And again as for testing, maybe this one doesn't need testing, but this happens every single time, and more often than not, the mob is wrong and the game is fine.2 -
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✭Well it doesnt take rocket science phd to figure out that if altmer wasnt top dog for mag dps, removing their sustain will do no good.5 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Skepticism is good.
But this change is obviously not good and most people see that. There is nothing to be tested in this case. What do you want to test about it ?
Altmer lost all their sustain, stamina regen is not what pvers and most pvpers want from an Altmer character and on top of that, this change is not lore friendly at all. People are right to get upset about this and even if the pts is not up yet, their arguments are valid.
You are making all those long lived pve players look like fools by questioning things they can very well know out of experience.
Flood is flood. Just look for the other posts complaining about the same things and join them! Get things together! And again as for testing, maybe this one doesn't need testing, but this happens every single time, and more often than not, the mob is wrong and the game is fine.
I would argue that the exact opposite is true. The mob is actually always right.
After all these years, many people here have a great understanding for how things are and can tell precisely what change is good and what change is not.
The difference is, that people always manage to adapt somehow, thus the voices go silent eventually. That does not mean that those changes weren't negative in the first place and forced people to change things that wouldn't have been necessary.
Yes, the sky has never fallen entirely. But with every little nerf, with every little unintelligent change, this disgusting taste in our mouths intensifies. It is not pleasant.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rafaelcsmaia wrote: »Well it doesnt take rocket science phd to figure out that if altmer wasnt top dog for mag dps, removing their sustain will do no good.
The meta changes, we adapt. Complaining is fine, burying all other posts under a see if "Altmer", or whatever comes in the next save, well.. is not ok. Half the frontpage was "Altmer" for the last day. This makes it worse for everyone to get what they want too! I'm not against or pro changes. Doesn't affect me almost at all, but the flooding does, and because there's no testing, half this flood is basically people complaining for the sake of complaining.0 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭More stam regen in pvp means more dark conversions for sorc, which means more sustain, more roll dodges, more blocking for dk and templar, more break frees, therefore a easier time with ccs, a lesser need for shacklebreaker/lich and more opportunities to wear spinners, spell strat, etc.Edited by JobooAGS on February 5, 2019 2:45PM3 -
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Testing of what, a Magicka class has its lower stat restored which is Stamina. What's the point of that, they should aim at giving them something unique like run speed as the orcs have but something in line with Magicka since thats the basis around the race.Elwendryll wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »We don't need to run tests to know that Altmer are worse off than they were before today. They were already weaker than Khajiit and Breton in testing from the first PTS iteration and they were just nerfed.
I see a lot of your posts everywhere. I think I understand you're "quite unsatisfied" with the changes. But don't you think this change in the passive was to account for the increase in max stats that comes with this update? The altmers might even get higher parses, who knows. I just feel like it's quite misleading to spread information like that on the forum without actual testing. I understand the frustration, but it's quite saddening to see so much emotion spread accross all the pts section. Let's wait for the server to be up again, right?
What testing do you even need to do for something like this though lol
Edited by Nifty2g on February 5, 2019 2:49PM#MOREORBS4 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Skepticism is good.
But this change is obviously not good and most people see that. There is nothing to be tested in this case. What do you want to test about it ?
Altmer lost all their sustain, stamina regen is not what pvers and most pvpers want from an Altmer character and on top of that, this change is not lore friendly at all. People are right to get upset about this and even if the pts is not up yet, their arguments are valid.
You are making all those long lived pve players look like fools by questioning things they can very well know out of experience.
Flood is flood. Just look for the other posts complaining about the same things and join them! Get things together! And again as for testing, maybe this one doesn't need testing, but this happens every single time, and more often than not, the mob is wrong and the game is fine.
I would argue that the exact opposite is true. The mob is actually always right.
After all these years, many people here have a great understanding for how things are and can tell precisely what change is good and what change is not.
The difference is, that people always manage to adapt somehow, thus the voices go silent eventually. That does not mean that those changes weren't negative in the first place and forced people to change things that wouldn't have been necessary.
Yes, the sky has never fallen entirely. But with every little nerf, with every little unintelligent change, this disgusting taste in our mouths intensifies. It is not pleasant.
It def doesn't taste fine. Agreed there, but I also agree that we eventually adapt. It's good even, makes for something different to do, some other meta to chase, new objectives and challenges, even if the challenge is overcoming the wave of nerfs.0 -
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✭✭Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer.
There... A quick summary of this week's *untested* pts changes posts. If you wanna know what happened, so do I and literally everyone else because the changes aren't even up yet... But out beloved whiners are already HARD at it flooding the forums, so I thought I would join the Altmer flood this time.
Altmer.
It's quite telling what the consumer base thinks of the change then. Nothing to downgrade or ridicule. Unless you think that what Zos says is gods word, and what the majority of the user base thinks is s*t.Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?3 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭More stam regen in pvp means more dark conversions for sorc, which means more sustain, more roll dodges, more blocking for dk and templar, more break frees, therefore a easier time with ccs, a lesser need for shacklebreaker/lich and more opportunities to wear spinners, spell strat, etc.
And that’s the point. It isn’t even good in PvP. It’s 645 stamina every six seconds. I’m playing my Altmer magSorc since launch in March 2014 - and over the years the fights that lasted longer than 15 seconds are an absolute outlier. The passive isn’t going to make an impact in PvP at all.
Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer.
There... A quick summary of this week's *untested* pts changes posts. If you wanna know what happened, so do I and literally everyone else because the changes aren't even up yet... But out beloved whiners are already HARD at it flooding the forums, so I thought I would join the Altmer flood this time.
Altmer.
It's quite telling what the consumer base thinks of the change then. Nothing to downgrade or ridicule. Unless you think that what Zos says is gods word, and what the majority of the user base thinks is s*t.
I'm not against players, much on the contrary. But the players don't know how to group around a single post, create a consistent argument to revert changes, make it easy for others if us to join in and weigh in our opinions and then have the devs read it. With this senseless flood, non tested, what kind of attention you think you get from devs? They'll still read it, probably, but it would be a lot better for literally everyone to have these similar-if-not-equal posts fused together.
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VeiledCriticism✭✭✭If the point of the balance was to bring every race to have a different flavors, this Altmers changes tastes disgusting. The passive is niche and completely useless even in scenarios were it should perform well.
Altmers were "fine" being outdpsed by Khajits and Bretons, a very fine second choice for most classes. Why nerf Altmers and buff Bretons and Khajits even further. There's no reason to keep a toon as a Altmer and they are reduced to a second rate version of Dunmers.
Getting resources of your LOWEST resource is completely counter intuitive. Besides, if the point is to "follow the lore", why are the Altmers in the bottom when it comes to spellcasting.0 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭More stam regen in pvp means more dark conversions for sorc, which means more sustain, more roll dodges, more blocking for dk and templar, more break frees, therefore a easier time with ccs, a lesser need for shacklebreaker/lich and more opportunities to wear spinners, spell strat, etc.
And that’s the point. It isn’t even good in PvP. It’s 645 stamina every six seconds. I’m playing my Altmer magSorc since launch in March 2014 - and over the years the fights that lasted longer than 15 seconds are an absolute outlier. The passive isn’t going to make an impact in PvP at all.
645 every 6 seconds is 215 regen. Shackle with vampire, daedric summoning, 1 medium armor and continous attack is 199 stam regen. Make your own inferences3 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Skepticism is good.
But this change is obviously not good and most people see that. There is nothing to be tested in this case. What do you want to test about it ?
Altmer lost all their sustain, stamina regen is not what pvers and most pvpers want from an Altmer character and on top of that, this change is not lore friendly at all. People are right to get upset about this and even if the pts is not up yet, their arguments are valid.
You are making all those long lived pve players look like fools by questioning things they can very well know out of experience.
Flood is flood. Just look for the other posts complaining about the same things and join them! Get things together! And again as for testing, maybe this one doesn't need testing, but this happens every single time, and more often than not, the mob is wrong and the game is fine.
I would argue that the exact opposite is true. The mob is actually always right.
After all these years, many people here have a great understanding for how things are and can tell precisely what change is good and what change is not.
The difference is, that people always manage to adapt somehow, thus the voices go silent eventually. That does not mean that those changes weren't negative in the first place and forced people to change things that wouldn't have been necessary.
Yes, the sky has never fallen entirely. But with every little nerf, with every little unintelligent change, this disgusting taste in our mouths intensifies. It is not pleasant.
It def doesn't taste fine. Agreed there, but I also agree that we eventually adapt. It's good even, makes for something different to do, some other meta to chase, new objectives and challenges, even if the challenge is overcoming the wave of nerfs.
Yes, surely.
However in this process, more and more enjoyment is grinded away for many people.
Overcoming nerfs is good and dandy, but is this the definition of fun ? Is it us against the developers ? They keep nerfing to see when we eventually break ?
It has to stop, it should have long ago. This blind nerfing has to end. ZoS needs to realise that they have a very very dedicated core community. All those people here, they are the ones to provide most of the feedback. Educated and experienced feedback I would add. It could be so easy for ZoS to be loved by those people. It really is so easy.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭More stam regen in pvp means more dark conversions for sorc, which means more sustain, more roll dodges, more blocking for dk and templar, more break frees, therefore a easier time with ccs, a lesser need for shacklebreaker/lich and more opportunities to wear spinners, spell strat, etc.
And that’s the point. It isn’t even good in PvP. It’s 645 stamina every six seconds. I’m playing my Altmer magSorc since launch in March 2014 - and over the years the fights that lasted longer than 15 seconds are an absolute outlier. The passive isn’t going to make an impact in PvP at all.
645 every 6 seconds is 215 regen. Shackle with vampire, daedric summoning, 1 medium armor and continous attack is 199 stam regen. Make your own inferences
Nobody runs Shackle because of Regen but because of the higher stat pool. If you want to compare Regen then it’s Amberplasm - 250 stam Regen on the 5pc every tick.
Edited by Feanor on February 5, 2019 3:01PMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
Gederic✭✭✭✭✭It also implies you’re hitting a target with a class ability every 6 seconds in PvP which just isn’t true. You aren’t doing a rotation like you are in PvE. It’s a passive that will proc most on the offensive but would be needed the most in PvP when you are on the defensive. The reality is, when you would legitimately need this passive the most in PvP you likely wouldn’t really be using it. The original passive is much preferred for both. Decent sustain for PvE and in PvP it allows you to maintain the offensive.Ours is the Fury2 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Skepticism is good.
But this change is obviously not good and most people see that. There is nothing to be tested in this case. What do you want to test about it ?
Altmer lost all their sustain, stamina regen is not what pvers and most pvpers want from an Altmer character and on top of that, this change is not lore friendly at all. People are right to get upset about this and even if the pts is not up yet, their arguments are valid.
You are making all those long lived pve players look like fools by questioning things they can very well know out of experience.
Flood is flood. Just look for the other posts complaining about the same things and join them! Get things together! And again as for testing, maybe this one doesn't need testing, but this happens every single time, and more often than not, the mob is wrong and the game is fine.
I would argue that the exact opposite is true. The mob is actually always right.
After all these years, many people here have a great understanding for how things are and can tell precisely what change is good and what change is not.
The difference is, that people always manage to adapt somehow, thus the voices go silent eventually. That does not mean that those changes weren't negative in the first place and forced people to change things that wouldn't have been necessary.
Yes, the sky has never fallen entirely. But with every little nerf, with every little unintelligent change, this disgusting taste in our mouths intensifies. It is not pleasant.
It def doesn't taste fine. Agreed there, but I also agree that we eventually adapt. It's good even, makes for something different to do, some other meta to chase, new objectives and challenges, even if the challenge is overcoming the wave of nerfs.
Yes, surely.
However in this process, more and more enjoyment is grinded away for many people.
Overcoming nerfs is good and dandy, but is this the definition of fun ? Is it us against the developers ? They keep nerfing to see when we eventually break ?
It has to stop, it should have long ago. This blind nerfing has to end. ZoS needs to realise that they have a very very dedicated core community. All those people here, they are the ones to provide most of the feedback. Educated and experienced feedback I would add. It could be so easy for ZoS to be loved by those people. It really is so easy.
Don't you think they are doing a good job with buffing races and listening to our feedback this time around? They just need to do it more often and less drastically.Edited by ZonasArch on February 5, 2019 3:12PM0 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer.
There... A quick summary of this week's *untested* pts changes posts. If you wanna know what happened, so do I and literally everyone else because the changes aren't even up yet... But out beloved whiners are already HARD at it flooding the forums, so I thought I would join the Altmer flood this time.
Altmer.
It's quite telling what the consumer base thinks of the change then. Nothing to downgrade or ridicule. Unless you think that what Zos says is gods word, and what the majority of the user base thinks is s*t.
Majority of user base? Hardly. The majority of user base don't even read patch notes, let alone come to the forums. The majority of user base don't notice balance changes... 10% DPS changes for most mean close to 1k range, not 4 or 5 or 6. Sad? Yes. Very. But also true... Your bubble may not be as large as mine... I have 4 accounts running in 9 different kinds of guilds, and I see every patch people asking "what's new?". They just don't care because it's always irrelevant for them. What matter for majorities is QoL, content and bug fixes, not balancing.
You can say majority of forum dwellers... And even then, loud minority is a thing that exists, and your typical forum noise is, according to Lambert and others, produced by a minority, not majority.
But I will agree with you that complaining is not to be ridiculed. What I poke fun at is the flooding and the unwarranted noise that is produced. It's counterproductive even for the people complaining! Having more posts to fill the first page isn't gonna create a healthy debate, just create an artificial inflation if the importance of the change, without any relevant means of suggesting changes.
All I want is more objective complaints, more concise and supported by numbers and good arguments. Group them all together for maximum effect.1 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Skepticism is good.
But this change is obviously not good and most people see that. There is nothing to be tested in this case. What do you want to test about it ?
Altmer lost all their sustain, stamina regen is not what pvers and most pvpers want from an Altmer character and on top of that, this change is not lore friendly at all. People are right to get upset about this and even if the pts is not up yet, their arguments are valid.
You are making all those long lived pve players look like fools by questioning things they can very well know out of experience.
Flood is flood. Just look for the other posts complaining about the same things and join them! Get things together! And again as for testing, maybe this one doesn't need testing, but this happens every single time, and more often than not, the mob is wrong and the game is fine.
I would argue that the exact opposite is true. The mob is actually always right.
After all these years, many people here have a great understanding for how things are and can tell precisely what change is good and what change is not.
The difference is, that people always manage to adapt somehow, thus the voices go silent eventually. That does not mean that those changes weren't negative in the first place and forced people to change things that wouldn't have been necessary.
Yes, the sky has never fallen entirely. But with every little nerf, with every little unintelligent change, this disgusting taste in our mouths intensifies. It is not pleasant.
It def doesn't taste fine. Agreed there, but I also agree that we eventually adapt. It's good even, makes for something different to do, some other meta to chase, new objectives and challenges, even if the challenge is overcoming the wave of nerfs.
Yes, surely.
However in this process, more and more enjoyment is grinded away for many people.
Overcoming nerfs is good and dandy, but is this the definition of fun ? Is it us against the developers ? They keep nerfing to see when we eventually break ?
It has to stop, it should have long ago. This blind nerfing has to end. ZoS needs to realise that they have a very very dedicated core community. All those people here, they are the ones to provide most of the feedback. Educated and experienced feedback I would add. It could be so easy for ZoS to be loved by those people. It really is so easy.
Don't you think they are doing a good job with buffing races and listening to our feedback this time around? They just need to do it more often and less drastically.
The general direction was pleasant. Races shouldn't loose their identity though.
Altmer is not the only example for this, merely the most recent. So they ca prove that they listen to our concerns by resolving this little issue. Then yes, we can say that this patch went perfectly without anything to complain about from my end anyway.
It would be the first positive patch since a very long time.
I am still waiting for this imaginary update where we can go without any nerfs. That would be a milestone.Edited by Dracane on February 5, 2019 3:28PMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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How would you know this, the patch notes link is planted on the log in screen and the launcher screen. I find it hard to believe that most people would skip over them, patch notes are always interesting for anyone to readAltmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer.
There... A quick summary of this week's *untested* pts changes posts. If you wanna know what happened, so do I and literally everyone else because the changes aren't even up yet... But out beloved whiners are already HARD at it flooding the forums, so I thought I would join the Altmer flood this time.
Altmer.
It's quite telling what the consumer base thinks of the change then. Nothing to downgrade or ridicule. Unless you think that what Zos says is gods word, and what the majority of the user base thinks is s*t.
Majority of user base? Hardly. The majority of user base don't even read patch notes, let alone come to the forums.#MOREORBS0 -
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✭With current race reworks it's clearly they're going on a path: you just can't have everything.
And that's the issue with the Altmer race since launch. They had everything, DPS, sustain.
Now that the race is getting balanced we get this outcry that will probably force the developers to revert back some of the changes.
I just hope they just tweak numbers right in order to keep the overall good balance that was achieved with the .0 version and not break things due to excesive and untested whinningPC/DC/NAserver
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How would you know this, the patch notes link is planted on the log in screen and the launcher screen. I find it hard to believe that most people would skip over them, patch notes are always interesting for anyone to readAltmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer.
There... A quick summary of this week's *untested* pts changes posts. If you wanna know what happened, so do I and literally everyone else because the changes aren't even up yet... But out beloved whiners are already HARD at it flooding the forums, so I thought I would join the Altmer flood this time.
Altmer.
It's quite telling what the consumer base thinks of the change then. Nothing to downgrade or ridicule. Unless you think that what Zos says is gods word, and what the majority of the user base thinks is s*t.
Majority of user base? Hardly. The majority of user base don't even read patch notes, let alone come to the forums.
Not for me they're not.
I've said before, but ESO is the only game I've played where I dread reading the patch notes."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
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✭✭Skepticism is good.
But this change is obviously not good and most people see that. There is nothing to be tested in this case. What do you want to test about it ?
Altmer lost all their sustain, stamina regen is not what pvers and most pvpers want from an Altmer character and on top of that, this change is not lore friendly at all. People are right to get upset about this and even if the pts is not up yet, their arguments are valid.
You are making all those long lived pve players look like fools by questioning things they can very well know out of experience.
Flood is flood. Just look for the other posts complaining about the same things and join them! Get things together! And again as for testing, maybe this one doesn't need testing, but this happens every single time, and more often than not, the mob is wrong and the game is fine.
I would argue that the exact opposite is true. The mob is actually always right.
After all these years, many people here have a great understanding for how things are and can tell precisely what change is good and what change is not.
The difference is, that people always manage to adapt somehow, thus the voices go silent eventually. That does not mean that those changes weren't negative in the first place and forced people to change things that wouldn't have been necessary.
Yes, the sky has never fallen entirely. But with every little nerf, with every little unintelligent change, this disgusting taste in our mouths intensifies. It is not pleasant.
It def doesn't taste fine. Agreed there, but I also agree that we eventually adapt. It's good even, makes for something different to do, some other meta to chase, new objectives and challenges, even if the challenge is overcoming the wave of nerfs.
Yes, surely.
However in this process, more and more enjoyment is grinded away for many people.
Overcoming nerfs is good and dandy, but is this the definition of fun ? Is it us against the developers ? They keep nerfing to see when we eventually break ?
It has to stop, it should have long ago. This blind nerfing has to end. ZoS needs to realise that they have a very very dedicated core community. All those people here, they are the ones to provide most of the feedback. Educated and experienced feedback I would add. It could be so easy for ZoS to be loved by those people. It really is so easy.
Don't you think they are doing a good job with buffing races and listening to our feedback this time around? They just need to do it more often and less drastically.
The general direction was pleasant. Races shouldn't loose their identity though.
Altmer is not the only example for this, merely the most recent. So they ca prove that they listen to our concerns by resolving this little issue. Then yes, we can say that this patch went perfectly without anything to complain about from my end anyway.
It would be the first positive patch since a very long time.
I am still waiting for this imaginary update where we can go without any nerfs. That would be a milestone.
Send to be the direction they want to go, adding in the fact they held CP increase. If they can work around the power creep, they can stop nerfing everything, and start buffing stuff again. I have hopes. Even considering the new dungeons, where normal is normal, and vet is punishing, so everyone can enjoy. That's also balancing and shows, to me, that they are working on it for the whole thing, not just for the pve or PvP. Let's see what's the year brings.0 -
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So why are you here posting for then?
How would you know this, the patch notes link is planted on the log in screen and the launcher screen. I find it hard to believe that most people would skip over them, patch notes are always interesting for anyone to readAltmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer.
There... A quick summary of this week's *untested* pts changes posts. If you wanna know what happened, so do I and literally everyone else because the changes aren't even up yet... But out beloved whiners are already HARD at it flooding the forums, so I thought I would join the Altmer flood this time.
Altmer.
It's quite telling what the consumer base thinks of the change then. Nothing to downgrade or ridicule. Unless you think that what Zos says is gods word, and what the majority of the user base thinks is s*t.
Majority of user base? Hardly. The majority of user base don't even read patch notes, let alone come to the forums.
Not for me they're not.
I've said before, but ESO is the only game I've played where I dread reading the patch notes.#MOREORBS0 -
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So why are you here posting for then?
How would you know this, the patch notes link is planted on the log in screen and the launcher screen. I find it hard to believe that most people would skip over them, patch notes are always interesting for anyone to readAltmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer.
There... A quick summary of this week's *untested* pts changes posts. If you wanna know what happened, so do I and literally everyone else because the changes aren't even up yet... But out beloved whiners are already HARD at it flooding the forums, so I thought I would join the Altmer flood this time.
Altmer.
It's quite telling what the consumer base thinks of the change then. Nothing to downgrade or ridicule. Unless you think that what Zos says is gods word, and what the majority of the user base thinks is s*t.
Majority of user base? Hardly. The majority of user base don't even read patch notes, let alone come to the forums.
Not for me they're not.
I've said before, but ESO is the only game I've played where I dread reading the patch notes.
I dread them, but it doesn't mean I don't read them.
Also, anyone can look into the PTS forums, fyi."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
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How would you know this, the patch notes link is planted on the log in screen and the launcher screen. I find it hard to believe that most people would skip over them, patch notes are always interesting for anyone to readAltmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer, Altmer.
There... A quick summary of this week's *untested* pts changes posts. If you wanna know what happened, so do I and literally everyone else because the changes aren't even up yet... But out beloved whiners are already HARD at it flooding the forums, so I thought I would join the Altmer flood this time.
Altmer.
It's quite telling what the consumer base thinks of the change then. Nothing to downgrade or ridicule. Unless you think that what Zos says is gods word, and what the majority of the user base thinks is s*t.
Majority of user base? Hardly. The majority of user base don't even read patch notes, let alone come to the forums.
My guilds are trading and social. Tons of people that couldn't care less about scores... They never come to the forums or even the website. Remember the mess with daily rewards at first? No one that read the notes had trouble understanding. And even after posting on website, still problems. They ended up mailing everyone to explain because people just don't come here... Login screen isn't a thing for steam users, btw. Another small issue.
Evidently, my experience is anedoctal, but comes from way too many guilds to be irrelevant.
This sucks.Edited by ZonasArch on February 5, 2019 3:49PM0 -
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✭✭More stam regen in pvp means more dark conversions for sorc, which means more sustain, more roll dodges, more blocking for dk and templar, more break frees, therefore a easier time with ccs, a lesser need for shacklebreaker/lich and more opportunities to wear spinners, spell strat, etc.
And that’s the point. It isn’t even good in PvP. It’s 645 stamina every six seconds. I’m playing my Altmer magSorc since launch in March 2014 - and over the years the fights that lasted longer than 15 seconds are an absolute outlier. The passive isn’t going to make an impact in PvP at all.
645 every 6 seconds is 215 regen. Shackle with vampire, daedric summoning, 1 medium armor and continous attack is 199 stam regen. Make your own inferences
Nobody runs Shackle because of Regen but because of the higher stat pool. If you want to compare Regen then it’s Amberplasm - 250 stam Regen on the 5pc every tick.
If someone weren't able to make good use of the stam regen, shackle wouldn't be worth it in the first place. People use it for both regen and max stats.
The Altmer passive is even better because it works while blocking.
Now, you stated it won't make an impact because most fights don't last longer than 15 seconds anyway in your experience. And I'm left wondering why then you even care which resource is returned to you? I assume you won't face magicka issues within 15 seconds either? If the fights do last longer however, that stam regen should quickly become noticeable.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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