Adventurer Pack (any race any alliance) needs to be made free or DEEPLY discounted

bearbelly · February 2019

BrokenString wrote: »

People often forget what RPG means... ffs

You say this, right after you wonder why people find the "Any Race, Any Alliance" option attractive?

The alliance "flavor" of which you speak, that you claim is decimated by ARAA (which is a choice), is only of game-mechanic consequence in PvP-Land.
PvP is only one aspect of the game; a role-playing game, as you have noted.

Being locked-in to a particular faction disrupts the RPG aspect, especially if one does not participate in PvP.
Fully enjoying the RPG aspect for a lot of folks who play these games (MMORPGs), in general, requires freedom of choice, so that your story-crafting isn't automatically hampered by hard-coded game mechanics for which you might not ever have a use.

Maybe you want to build your group of characters around a central theme of being a team of adventurers whose members have diverse backgrounds from across Tamriel, but share a common philosophy that transcends race or politics.

Or maybe you do enjoy PvP, but the faction to which your race is politically-bound does not inspire your loyalty, so you decide to fall-in with the faction which does.

All of those are RPG choices which ARAA gives you the choice to make.

Michae · February 2019

I bought that pack really cheap on some key site, although it was two years ago. Maybe look for it there?

MikaHR · February 2019

mairwen85 wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

can someone define (without frothing at the mouth and spurting egregious and baseless claims with BS statistics loaded with logical fallacies) what exactly are

"high end" PvEers

. Why is it suddenly en vogue to demonise them?

MikaHR wrote: »

... Just have to have a look at Wildstar ...

Yawn... reduction to the absurd/extreme (logical fallacy);

ESO caters to casuals first and foremost. There is no basis for comparison. I'm sick and tired of every second post referencing WildStar; get another scapegoat or better argument to pitch... preferably one with substance.

mairwen85 wrote: »

define (without frothing at the mouth and spurting egregious and baseless claims with BS statistics loaded with logical fallacies) what exactly are

"high end" PvEers

.

MikaHR wrote: »

... they are always the loudest ones...

You've been pretty loud in every thread since January 15.

I agree with you that these changes are minor for the wider playerbase -- but I can't find reason to vilify players who feel most affected by them. They are also playing the game their way. Be that some high end (whatever that means) way, or low brow... You can't just shout a person down because you have some bile stored up for players with more skill than yourself. It gets old, fast -- and distracts from whatever point you're trying to make. When every post is a crusade, there really is nothing of interest to take away from them. You don't have to campaign here.

of course you are sick of it because it shuts every argument you think you have down really quickly (as quickly as Wildstar completely failed because it catered to the exact same players that should be ignored)

And the fact that you stalk me on the internet just shows who shoud be just ignored...and why.

Zaketh · February 2019

Sylvermynx wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

Got Imperials and Any race, any alliance with my pre-purchase, so this doesn't really concern me... but I think it's about time to fold these into the base game. Those upgrades are five years old by now, selling them for full price is kinda rude. People who buy the game today should be getting the complete thing for their money.

That said, they don't really owe us any "meta". When you make the conscious choice to chase the "meta", you know very well that it can change with any future patch (much like it did change several times before). Sure it's annoying, but such is the nature of online games. They aren't doing it to sell more upgrades, they are doing it because it makes sense in the context of the game...

By making an Altmer or Dunmer, you assumed that they would always be near the top of magicka DPS because they are THE magicka races in the lore. We didn't think ZOS would trample all over the lore like this.

Um.... no. I made my racial choices from an RP standpoint, as I always do. I have a dunmer stamblade - she's fun to play now that I've figured stuff out.... I have an altmer magden, LOVE her and her playstyle. Playstyles may have to undergo a change after Wrathstone - but I'm not fussed about it.

I'm not race/alliance changing anyone. All my toons have backstories, and life stories. And mostly more-or-less lore appropriate names.

Not changing any of it/them. Not on either account. And yes I realize I'm not exactly "normal".

Exactly how I feel as well. I play to have fun; period. And I am doing just that. I do understand, and can appreciate, the people who are all about the min/maxing and all, but that just ain't me.

And mynx? Normality is severely over-rated

Diminish · February 2019

BrokenString wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

Lots of people play games to compete. I can say with upmost certainty that if there was not a competitive angle to gaming, I would be doing something more fulfilling with my time. I could care less about back story, or pretending I'm some fictional man cat in a world of orcs, elves, etc. ***, I didn't read a SINGLE piece of dialog from any quest giver in this entire game... and I have thousands of hours logged. I want challenging, rewarding content, not some artificially inflated difficulty due to constant nerfs; especially ones that require me to dump tons MORE money into the game I am already supporting just to make those characters that logged those thousands of hours even remotely viable again.

So now what? I buy race change tokens for all my characters? I buy additional character slots and re-roll new characters to accommodate *** changes just so I can play at the same level I am this patch? I create a new PSN account, and re-roll new characters? Something has to give, and I will tell you first hand that if it isn't a rework of these upcoming changes, that thing that will give is me logging in to play daily. Me subscribing. Me purchasing chapters. Me purchasing DLC. I own 2 physical copies of the base game, a physical copy of Morrowind, and all the DLC on 3 accounts. I've played for years, but they want to cater to new players, and milk long time supporters. Guess what? I have a free guild bank due to new players. They played until around level 25 and haven't logged in for years.

Ladies and gentlemen, a person who doesn't know what an RPG is.

That is all.

I've probably played more RPGs than you have games in general. The only basis you have to make such an idiotic comment is the fact that I skipped all the lackluster mediocre dialog in this game. Its unengaging, dont blame me for that. If boring, snoozefest dialog is your thing then so be it. I've heard more adults snoring in zone chat on this game than I have kids raging on shooters like fortnite and CoD.

MikaHR · February 2019

We have a raging kid(s) in da house.

This is definitely not a game for you, you can go back and join rest of raging kids in fortnite CoD and such.

mairwen85 · February 2019

MikaHR wrote: »

of course you are sick of it because it shuts every argument you think you have down really quickly (as quickly as Wildstar completely failed because it catered to the exact same players that should be ignored)

And the fact that you stalk me on the internet just shows who shoud be just ignored...and why.

Thing is, a baseless comparison that appeals to extremes without substance is not an argument; it's a logical fallacy -- along with numbers without source and a continuous barrage of arrows fired at the very people who provide detail, information, guides and a wealth of knowledge out spanning what the game offers; the very people who promote exposure to the game and inspire players. It doesn't shut anything down, instead it aggravates a situation by increasing the level of unnecessary negativity. It is not productive and adds nothing to conversation, effectively stalling debate and any mature discussion. I agree with you on a few points here -- but you're making it hard to maintain that agreement when you pull the conversation into deliberate derailment via fallacious rhetoric and name calling. It gives the appearance of sour grapes -- like overcompensating for lack of skill/ability; projecting negativity as an out clause. Sorry, but that's the reality of every post being a targeted, aggressive rag on a certain group of individuals.

We went over this in another thread where you decided to turn the discussion into a tirade and personal attack (before the mods shut it down and deleted 50% of the posts) -- that in itself already shows the direction this thread will follow when 'ultimate (or ultimately empty) arguments' are banded around like gospel without the relevant context of any asserted truth. I guess the world of 'alternative facts' really is a thing. Sadly enough

'Stalk' is an interesting choice of vocabulary in this context. I suggest you look it up. I frequent the same forum, and play the same game -- not sure if we share a platform. Disagreeing with you is not synonymous with surreptitious or ominous intent.

Let's have a mature conversation, and respect the views of others; attack does nothing to appeal to the majority or put your case forward for real consideration.

SaintSubwayy · February 2019

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

Got Imperials and Any race, any alliance with my pre-purchase, so this doesn't really concern me... but I think it's about time to fold these into the base game. Those upgrades are five years old by now, selling them for full price is kinda rude. People who buy the game today should be getting the complete thing for their money.

That said, they don't really owe us any "meta". When you make the conscious choice to chase the "meta", you know very well that it can change with any future patch (much like it did change several times before). Sure it's annoying, but such is the nature of online games. They aren't doing it to sell more upgrades, they are doing it because it makes sense in the context of the game...

Same situation here

Got it when i first bought the game, sounded nice back then, but I didnt really use it since I play EP only and my first char was a dunmer magdk...for a very very long timw it was my only char
When I switched it to stam I went for redguard, which I could because I already hade ARAA....
But this feature can now become Basegame, its about time after 5 years

mairwen85 · February 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

Got Imperials and Any race, any alliance with my pre-purchase, so this doesn't really concern me... but I think it's about time to fold these into the base game. Those upgrades are five years old by now, selling them for full price is kinda rude. People who buy the game today should be getting the complete thing for their money.

That said, they don't really owe us any "meta". When you make the conscious choice to chase the "meta", you know very well that it can change with any future patch (much like it did change several times before). Sure it's annoying, but such is the nature of online games. They aren't doing it to sell more upgrades, they are doing it because it makes sense in the context of the game...

Same situation here

Got it when i first bought the game, sounded nice back then, but I didnt really use it since I play EP only and my first char was a dunmer magdk...for a very very long timw it was my only char
When I switched it to stam I went for redguard, which I could because I already hade ARAA....
But this feature can now become Basegame, its about time after 5 years

I agree it could/should be bundled into the base game (as previous chapters are); it makes no sense to keep it as a separate product. At the same time, if it remains in the store, it is still (even if only seldom bought) a monetary gain.

Is it really needed though, separate or otherwise? I suppose that's the crux of this thread. When blanket changes are made that affect race, and players are faction locked -- yes it matters, if they feel impacted. Does that mean ZoS should remedy it with discount... not sure. It wouldn't be the first time I've had to fix something out of my control at my own expense (not just ESO).

MikaHR · February 2019

mairwen85 wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

of course you are sick of it because it shuts every argument you think you have down really quickly (as quickly as Wildstar completely failed because it catered to the exact same players that should be ignored)

And the fact that you stalk me on the internet just shows who shoud be just ignored...and why.

Thing is, a baseless comparison that appeals to extremes without substance is not an argument; it's a logical fallacy -- along with numbers without source and a continuous barrage of arrows fired at the very people who provide detail, information, guides and a wealth of knowledge out spanning what the game offers; the very people who promote exposure to the game and inspire players. It doesn't shut anything down, instead it aggravates a situation by increasing the level of unnecessary negativity. It is not productive and adds nothing to conversation, effectively stalling debate and any mature discussion. I agree with you on a few points here -- but you're making it hard to maintain that agreement when you pull the conversation into deliberate derailment via fallacious rhetoric and name calling. It gives the appearance of sour grapes -- like overcompensating for lack of skill/ability; projecting negativity as an out clause. Sorry, but that's the reality of every post being a targeted, aggressive rag on a certain group of individuals.

We went over this in another thread where you decided to turn the discussion into a tirade and personal attack (before the mods shut it down and deleted 50% of the posts) -- that in itself already shows the direction this thread will follow when 'ultimate (or ultimately empty) arguments' are banded around like gospel without the relevant context of any asserted truth. I guess the world of 'alternative facts' really is a thing. Sadly enough

'Stalk' is an interesting choice of vocabulary in this context. I suggest you look it up. I frequent the same forum, and play the same game -- not sure if we share a platform. Disagreeing with you is not synonymous with surreptitious or ominous intent.

Let's have a mature conversation, and respect the views of others; attack does nothing to appeal to the majority or put your case forward for real consideration.

Every "debate" about should devs listen to this miniscule portion of playerbase died with Wildstar. Just as i said it would (not to mention other games, including ESO when they had to rework whole game, get rid of whole VET level nonsense and forced grouping). You are right, there's no debate. There are facts, and there is miniscule irrelevant portion of playerbase delusional that they matter and every dev who listened to them ended up regretting it by driving their game into the ground.

Unfortunately for you, i dont want to see ZOS drive their game into the ground by listening to extremely tiny but extremely vocal part of the playerbase, and i will always happily remind you (and them) what happens when they fall into the trap of listening ot them.

Thread was closed because you spammed it and all of your posts were removed. You should have taken a nice big hint from that. This is not "MMORPG.com" *** where you are friendy friendy with mods and can just ban anyone on a whim while keeping your spam inact.

marius_buys · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Today's change is PTS only?

Yep, but it's looking like they have their sights set on these changes. Testing showed that Altmer were only slightly behind Breton and Khajiit before today. So they NERFED them to ensure they are no longer competitive. It's obvious they want Altmer and Dunmer out of the meta.

That is fine but at least remove the ANY RACE ANY ALLIANCE PAYWALL as it is the root cause of CLASS AND RACE BALANCE PROBLEMS in PvP.

Not everyone can afford the damn token and the Alliances suffer because of it.

AlnilamE · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What min-maxer worth their salt does NOT have the ARAA pack already? This isn't the first time we've had major race changes.

Altmer/Dunmer have been top magicka DPS since day 1. This is the first time in 5 years they have been knocked out of the meta.

So what? Why are Altmer/Dunmer more important than the other races that got nerfed last time there was a major patch that changed races?

But my point is, the ARAA was the whole reason why I pre-ordered the game. Everyone I know has ARAA already, and they are mostly casual players.

So if casual players can make that investment, why can't min/maxers? And if they started playing before One Tamriel, where you were limited to grouping with people in the same alliance for Trials and Dungeons, why don't they have that already, if being BiS race was important to them?

Plus, as you pointed out, Altmer have the option of changing to Khajiit without ARAA.

mairwen85 · February 2019

AlnilamE wrote: »

So if casual players can make that investment, why can't min/maxers? And if they started playing before One Tamriel, where you were limited to grouping with people in the same alliance for Trials and Dungeons, why don't they have that already, if being BiS race was important to them?

You'd think that if BiS was the goal, then ARAA would be a priority item

I'm still waiting to see where the next iteration takes us, not going to give up on any of my girls -- not for this round or any future one. I can see the arguments for race change, but like yourself, I feel if someone is impacted by these changes enough to warrant race change you'd expect them to already have thought ahead; I think the people in between are the ones who are least happy with the 'paywall'. It's not the, as someone else put, 'high end' people, and not the casuals, but the various scales between who may not have considered this would be a thing.

MikaHR · February 2019

The only reason why those people woudl think of "race change" is because some raging kiddie thread "altmers now DEAD AND USELESS".....then they go and research them matter a bit and see it is non relevant non issue....and same kiddies keep on raging about it while rest of 99,99999999999999999999999999999% of playerbase carries on.

Skwor · February 2019

Few are more sceptical of gaming companies than me. I was part of the "forum resistance" when Bethesda was called out and caught manipulating rng drop to impact their global AH profits.

I just do not see these changes as being anything close to some manipulative business practice just to generate revenue from race change sales. In fact these changes actually make sense and look like a real attempt to balance the races, which is an overall good for any MMO

Shalktonin · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

With the latest round of racial changes today, ZOS has ensured that neither Altmer nor Dunmer will be in the meta anymore. Breton and Khajiit are the clear-cut BiS magicka DD races (they were before today too, but the gap just widened).

This means that for any Dunmer to race change, they will need to buy the Adventurer Pack for $20. Yes, you read that right, Twenty *** dollars.

Altmer will likewise need to buy the pack if they don't want to change to a Khajiit (which is understandable since the beastfolk aesthetic doesn't work for everyone).

So ZOS, cut the *** crap. It's obvious you are doing this on purpose. The Adventurer Pack better be *** deeply discounted (like 75% off) when this patch goes live, if not outright free.

Yer just flogging that horse for all its worth eh kid?

Mathiashs · February 2019

I paid for the Adventure pack, but I feel like people should get it for free. It's very obvious that this is only the latest cash grap attempt from Zos!

karekiz · February 2019

Any race any alliance should be base game imo.

They probably won't do it, and as someone who bought I wouldn't mind something in return for buying it even if it is just 16 gems to buy a silly thing.

Ertosi · February 2019

anadandy wrote: »

menathradiel wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

After reviewing everyone’s feedback and evaluating the total number of high-level characters from active ESO accounts, we’ve decided to increase the amount of free Race Change Tokens granted to all players to 3 Tokens, in addition to granting 3 Name Change Tokens, to assist with the upcoming Racial balance changes in Update 21. The Tokens will be automatically added to your account during the launch maintenance window for each respective platform.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456728/update-on-race-change-tokens

Players who don't have ARAA will be locked in to only being able to change to one of the other two races in their current faction - even if that race change is free. I think that was the OPs point.

Sounds like it's working as intended. Just because racials are changing doesn't mean everyone gets everything free.

mairwen85 · February 2019

Skwor wrote: »

Few are more sceptical of gaming companies than me. I was part of the "forum resistance" when Bethesda was called out and caught manipulating rng drop to impact their global AH profits.

I just do not see these changes as being anything close to some manipulative business practice just to generate revenue from race change sales. In fact these changes actually make sense and look like a real attempt to balance the races, which is an overall good for any MMO

I'd have to say that the initial test analysis by the community supports that.

I can see players being passionate about the fallout, and I get the reasons why. Hopefully, the next batch will put to rest any concern.

Maybe some more transparency on ZoS' part would be a good place to start. Seems like they're certainly making more effort in that department too.

Mathiashs · February 2019

BrokenString wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Well, I can only speak for myself: I have 3 dunmer and an altmer on two accounts. Of course, I'm not done making toons on the second account....

And I won't be worrying about the nerfs when I do make others. I make toons who have lives, backstories, and reasons for adventuring. I don't EVER EVER chase meta.

This.

People often forget what RPG means, they play this like it was CS or FIFA. It's not even an E-sport ffs

Here is the problem we meta chasers don't ruin for RPGers but why do you have to ruin it for us? Whenever I'm inn a pug group I never break immersion in case there is a RPGer inn the group -.- but eff that when all the support we get is; it's fine by me, don't listen to the other half of the player base.

DeadlyRecluse · February 2019

TBH I wish they'd just go ahead and fold Any-Race-Any-Alliance into the base game (basically, remove faction-race locks entirely).

But if they won't do that, making it deeply discounted for a month after race changes would be an excellent show of good faith. Personally, I think including it in Monthly rewards every couple of months isn't a bad idea, either (and I paid for the thing years ago).

Eshja · February 2019

I don't think that 'Any race, any alliance' should be given freely, they did that for lore, so we actually feel which alliance we are in. If that was free, people wouldn't care. How many altmers could betray Aldmeri and go to Pact? Or maybe you want a pack of bosmers to infiltrate Daggerfall to eat their plants?
They already gave us race and name change, I don't know any other game which did this. If you want that pack, just buy it, don't be greedy.

Danikat · February 2019

I've always thought that Any Race, Any Alliance should have been part of the base game. It never made any sense to me that you were forced into an alliance based on the race of the character when we see NPCs from all races in all the alliances.

For me it's not about meta-builds or balance, it's a role-playing/story/character design issue - there's a lot of character concepts, including IMO some of the more interesting backstories, which aren't possible if you're forced to stick to your race's alliance. Even when I choose to put a character into the 'correct' alliance it feels more meaningful knowing I actually chose that instead of having it dictated to me by the game. (But I can completely understand why people who want to min-max will want this too and I think that's a reasonable concern.)

Luckily I got Any Race, Any Alliance when I bought the game (pure fluke, I bought it a year after release but I was sent a pre-order copy and the code still worked), so it doesn't directly affect me. But I'm completely in favour of making it available to everyone.

DeadlyRecluse · February 2019

Eshja wrote: »

I don't think that 'Any race, any alliance' should be given freely, they did that for lore, so we actually feel which alliance we are in. If that was free, people wouldn't care. How many altmers could betray Aldmeri and go to Pact? Or maybe you want a pack of bosmers to infiltrate Daggerfall to eat their plants?
They already gave us race and name change, I don't know any other game which did this. If you want that pack, just buy it, don't be greedy.

And that made more sense when you had to do your own alliance zone first, and the other "stories" where framed as alternate experiences.

Now that you can just bounce around and do whatever, whenever, the "lore lock" doesn't really function anymore, imo.

UndeniablyAVG · February 2019

Surely anyone who is serious enough about this game to have their DPS affected by the racial changes will already have this bolt on?

I think this should have been made free when One Tamriel came out, but I don't think you can use the racial changes as a reason to push it through now.

Korah_Eaglecry · February 2019

AlnilamE wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What min-maxer worth their salt does NOT have the ARAA pack already? This isn't the first time we've had major race changes.

Altmer/Dunmer have been top magicka DPS since day 1. This is the first time in 5 years they have been knocked out of the meta.

So what? Why are Altmer/Dunmer more important than the other races that got nerfed last time there was a major patch that changed races?

But my point is, the ARAA was the whole reason why I pre-ordered the game. Everyone I know has ARAA already, and they are mostly casual players.

So if casual players can make that investment, why can't min/maxers? And if they started playing before One Tamriel, where you were limited to grouping with people in the same alliance for Trials and Dungeons, why don't they have that already, if being BiS race was important to them?

Plus, as you pointed out, Altmer have the option of changing to Khajiit without ARAA.

Because ARAA isnt important. OP is manufacturing drama around something they think they can use to drum up more support against the changes to Altmer. This is nothing more than pandering to the "ZOS is greedy" crowd in hopes theyll denounce the changes that is impacting OP and others who have leaned heavily into the meta.

bardx86 · February 2019

mairwen85 wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

Got Imperials and Any race, any alliance with my pre-purchase, so this doesn't really concern me... but I think it's about time to fold these into the base game. Those upgrades are five years old by now, selling them for full price is kinda rude. People who buy the game today should be getting the complete thing for their money.

That said, they don't really owe us any "meta". When you make the conscious choice to chase the "meta", you know very well that it can change with any future patch (much like it did change several times before). Sure it's annoying, but such is the nature of online games. They aren't doing it to sell more upgrades, they are doing it because it makes sense in the context of the game...

Same situation here

Got it when i first bought the game, sounded nice back then, but I didnt really use it since I play EP only and my first char was a dunmer magdk...for a very very long timw it was my only char
When I switched it to stam I went for redguard, which I could because I already hade ARAA....
But this feature can now become Basegame, its about time after 5 years

I agree it could/should be bundled into the base game (as previous chapters are); it makes no sense to keep it as a separate product. At the same time, if it remains in the store, it is still (even if only seldom bought) a monetary gain.

Is it really needed though, separate or otherwise? I suppose that's the crux of this thread. When blanket changes are made that affect race, and players are faction locked -- yes it matters, if they feel impacted. Does that mean ZoS should remedy it with discount... not sure. It wouldn't be the first time I've had to fix something out of my control at my own expense (not just ESO).

It absolutely matters. If ZOS makes changes so drastic that we feel we have to make a race change to still be competitive in PVP or PVE then they have failed. It's their fault and a solution that doesn't require real cash should be offered. The 3 classed change token should ignore the alliance restriction and not require the adventure pack.

Mancombe_Nosehair · February 2019

I was wondering when the penny would drop here regarding the adventurer pack. I bought it with gold last week, although I probably won't use it.

I can understand the frustration some people here have with it, although acting like spoilt brats probably isn't the best way to get a resolution on this.

I would imagine that it will go on sale around the time the changes kick in. It's obvious that there is going to be a demand for it.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · February 2019

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Today's change is PTS only?

Yep, but it's looking like they have their sights set on these changes. Testing showed that Altmer were only slightly behind Breton and Khajiit before today. So they NERFED them to ensure they are no longer competitive. It's obvious they want Altmer and Dunmer out of the meta.

An entertaining stat to be made public is, how many characters are being actively played that are Altmer or Dunmer compared to the other races?

... I bet it is a large volume of the player base which results in more race changes needing to take place, and I guarantee that many people have more than 3 which will be covered by the free race change tokens. This entire debacle is nothing more than a cash grab. It's shameful to even think a company would stoop so damn low, especially since those mostly affected are long time players that have been supporting the game over the years. Of course this is all speculation on my part, but based on their actions of both the past and present, it is very hard not to speculate this is the driving force behind these changes.

Well, I can only speak for myself: I have 3 dunmer and an altmer on two accounts. Of course, I'm not done making toons on the second account....

And I won't be worrying about the nerfs when I do make others. I make toons who have lives, backstories, and reasons for adventuring. I don't EVER EVER chase meta.

Same tbh- that’s why I created my main, his father and mother (who should be dead but I wanted to make a concept for her) on here. The rest of my alts are just joke characters.