A Player scamms me, I report him, he goes without punishment

StormChaser3000 · February 2019

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Billdor wrote: »

Amyxleexownsxu wrote: »

I recommend always buying your crowns thru the TCE (Tamriel Crown Exchange). That way you are always guaranteed a legit transaction.

What the TCE who artifically control the price of the crowns? Give me a break.

Yeah I’m paying max 150per for small 1k amounts and 100 for large big amounts. None of this 200per shenanigans.

@IzzyStardust Do you pay through your guild brokers or just reply straight to people through the zone chat?
The latter is very risky.

DragonRacer · February 2019

Honestly, what I find most disappointing is the apparent lack of response from your guild leadership after you alerted them, with screenshots even.

That person would be kicked and blacklisted from the one I'm in, if they pulled that crap and a guildmate showed the evidence. The whole point of a guild is to look out for each other... otherwise, why be in one?

Tigerseye · February 2019

Sorry that happened to you.

It is, indeed, ridiculous that he is still playing.

Zos need to introduce a legit, in-game means of swapping gold for Crowns and vice versa, like they have in GW2.

Tigerseye · February 2019

qbit wrote: »

A punitive society is a vengeful society. What do you get out of banning his account besides personal gratification on par with mental masturbation? You got your virtual currency refunded. And learned a lesson.

...and what lesson has the scammer learned?

None.

Ackwalan · February 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

qbit wrote: »

A punitive society is a vengeful society. What do you get out of banning his account besides personal gratification on par with mental masturbation? You got your virtual currency refunded. And learned a lesson.

...and what lesson has the scammer learned?

None.

He learned he can get away with scamming guild members.

Tigerseye · February 2019

Mr_Walker wrote: »

qbit wrote: »

A punitive society is a vengeful society. What do you get out of banning his account besides personal gratification on par with mental masturbation? You got your virtual currency refunded. And learned a lesson.

Uh, he doesn't get the opportunity to scam someone else?

Man, there's some morally bankrupt folk in here. Time for some long, hard looks into mirrors.

I don't think he's morally bankrupt, I think he's just very confused.

He thinks we're discussing the death penalty, or a long jail sentence, for a petty crime, or something; as opposed to banning scammers from the very game they scammed in.

Banning someone from a game is the perfect response - it's not too harsh, or punitive, at all.

The scammer will still live to see another day.

Tigerseye · February 2019

Ackwalan wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

qbit wrote: »

A punitive society is a vengeful society. What do you get out of banning his account besides personal gratification on par with mental masturbation? You got your virtual currency refunded. And learned a lesson.

...and what lesson has the scammer learned?

None.

He learned he can get away with scamming guild members.

Quite.

Tigerseye · February 2019

Davor wrote: »

Just remember, when you point a finger at someone, you have three fingers pointing back at you.

That advice/warning was designed to stop people gossiping and spreading false, or unproven, rumours.

It was not designed to stop someone pointing their finger at a person they know, beyond all reasonable doubt, scammed them (as they did it completely openly!).

Austinseph1 · February 2019

Buying currency that is allowed but not supported is a risk you take with this sort of thing.

qbit · February 2019

Who actually trades crowns for gold without a third party intermediary? I didn't think that still happened.

qbit · February 2019

Oh i answered my own question I think. People that want to exchange at 100-150 per crown instead of 200. Well let's throw a fit on the forums when you get scammed.....

Sylvermynx · February 2019

Shadowshire wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel <snip>

Hmm. Where have you been? Wrobel's gone....

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453748/combat-team-news-and-updates/p1

Numerikuu · February 2019

Mr_Walker wrote: »

What I don't understand is why you're so vehemently against the removal of a scammer from the game....

Probably because they're a scammer themselves, or hang with people who do it.

NekoTashi · February 2019

You are lucky ZOS gave your money back! If it was up to me you wouldn't get it back at all. Why?! Because its serves you as a life lesson. How can people like you trust some random stranger with sending them first the money?!

Jaina_Yossy wrote: »

He had 810cp, we had a mutual player-friend, almost 100k donated to the guild... He semed legit.

LOL this is still not enough reason to trust him or anybody with your gold coins honey!

When I want to buy something from someone I always ask them to trade in person. If they refuse, then I refuse to purchase anything from that person. Its simple as that.

NEVER send the gold first through mail! Cause chances are that he or she will keep the money and never send the item like it just happened with the topic starter. And if crowns can't be traded in person then buy them the official way. Better to be safe then sorry.

So in my opinion, he shouldn't be punished. You have send that gold willingly at your own risk. He didn't force you or put a gun on your head. You made that mistake, so you should feel the consequences.

Its because of people like you that scamming exists in this world! And NO I'm not defending the scammers (for those thinking I'm in favor of them because of what I'm saying here)! I hate them as much as you guys do. But if some people would use their brains and knowledge more often, then the scammers wouldn't be able to scam at all! I can proudly say that I've never been scammed in any mmorpg game. Cause I'm too smart to fall for a scam.

Also this event isn't guild related. You can't expect someone of the guild removing him because of what he did to you?! If he stole from the guild, then perhaps yes. But this has nothing to do with the guild in question. So either you stay in that guild and face that person. Or you just leave the guild. Guilds enough in Tamriel.

IzzyStardust · February 2019

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Billdor wrote: »

Amyxleexownsxu wrote: »

I recommend always buying your crowns thru the TCE (Tamriel Crown Exchange). That way you are always guaranteed a legit transaction.

What the TCE who artifically control the price of the crowns? Give me a break.

Yeah I’m paying max 150per for small 1k amounts and 100 for large big amounts. None of this 200per shenanigans.

@IzzyStardust Do you pay through your guild brokers or just reply straight to people through the zone chat?
The latter is very risky.

I ask in my trade guild, someone replies in guild and we sort it there in guild chat, actually. Like ‘I’ll do it, ok sending’ me: ‘sending gold, (I video it too - use obs, if it’s a large amount or someone I don’t know as well in guild) both of us ‘got it thanks! got it thanks!’

Like that!

laksikus · February 2019

qbit wrote: »

Oh i answered my own question I think. People that want to exchange at 100-150 per crown instead of 200. Well let's throw a fit on the forums when you get scammed.....

i wish it was 200.
TCE on Eu pushed the price up to 400g/c

Idinuse · February 2019

Jaina_Yossy wrote: »

I wanted to buy crowns so I asked and a Guild mate offered.

He had 810cp, we had a mutual player-friend, almost 100k donated to the guild... He semed legit.

He demanded me to send money first. I did.

Then he took my money and flew...

I reported him, with screen caps. ZOS gave my money back (Thanks!!!) but warned me It was going to be a one time only.

I spected the scammer player to be banned... But no. He is still playing happily.

So, the players can scamm all they want without consequences? WTF??

P.s
EU/PS4

I emailed the guild master, but didn't receive a reply.
I know the scammer is still playing because we share a Guild and I see him online.
I don't intent to discuss with ZOS, just saying that it's really unfair. It's not using a glitch to get a skin (just pixels) or using bots to make money, this user stole another player's gold (gold = time and effort of a real person). It should be more severe infraction.

The TOS is only and exclusively for people accidentally doing something wrong, or god forbid, without knowing crashing some ERP somewhere. The rest is just for show.

IzzyStardust · February 2019

I legit just had someone crying to me in whisper that it was UNFAIR that I got a char slot token for 125 per crown - because it cuts off their money because they charge 200 per crown - like *so?!*

Literally still telling me it's unfair - I am like look: you would never have had a sale from me at that price - so not like you lost a sale xD

Maybe ZOS needs to look into how they do this, if people are legit goldselling and pestering people to buy at their price or buy them with their own cash (I have 2200 crowns; I just wanna buy the Char Slot with gold; which I have now done) - they literally said 'Maybe you should just buy crowns with your own money!' lol

It also bugs me that people are legit acting like 'I got kids to feeed stop undercutting my crown selling!'

Jaina_Yossy · February 2019

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

While this behavior is not decent, usually single-time offense never brings capital punishment. If he continues scamming people he would be banned with high probability.

This game contains thieving and assassination as valid in-game mechanics. I think it is mature enough to accommodate a bit of trickery and scamming. Use more reputable establishments for gold exchange next time

You're forgetting that our characters are acting as the tricksters or scammers, when it is a player in an exchange directly with another player, you remove that excuse for bad dishonest behavior because it comes from you not your toon. Sorry to burst that bubble.

I meant that you shouldn't expect other players to be honest if you are honest. And you shouldn't expect them to be punished if you were punished (for you own risk-taking behavior). I think, being scammed from time to time (if you were not good enough to fall for that) is a healthy thing, that trains you to be more aware of other possible threats. Basically, in-game situations with NPC teach you the same, but on a smaller scale. The OP showed good preparedness, so I think it's overall a good thing, because nothing serious happened and a good mental lesson was reinforced

Though, I don't expect you to agree. Some people think vaccination is bad too

So, if ZOS has the cure to the disease (ban the scammers who steals from players), you prefer for them to create vacines and not to erase the disease for good?

Jaina_Yossy · February 2019

Royaji wrote: »

You were trying to use a system in a way it is not intended to do. Crown Store gifting is not a legitimate way of selling crowns. It can be used that way but you do it on your own risk and your own responsibility. It was a nice gesture of them to refund your gold. But they are in no way obliged to do it.

Yes, they are. Because they said it officialy in this forum for instance.

Jaina_Yossy · February 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm honestly not sure what is going to be accomplished here.
...
Unfortunately, ZOS failed to develop a transparent and easy to use UI for gold to crown gift trading even though they decided to allow such trading. That's on ZOS, and it leaves us players in a strange place where we have to trust players to trade gold and gifts in an opaque way when ZOS could have given us the UI we asked for. Such a UI would make scams less frequent and thus less work for ZOS.

You just answered your question.

Royaji · February 2019

Jaina_Yossy wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

You were trying to use a system in a way it is not intended to do. Crown Store gifting is not a legitimate way of selling crowns. It can be used that way but you do it on your own risk and your own responsibility. It was a nice gesture of them to refund your gold. But they are in no way obliged to do it.

Yes, they are. Because they said it officialy in this forum for instance.

No. There is a very specific quote from Gina.

To clarify, trading an in-game item for other in-game items is allowed; trading in-game items for real-world money or other out-of-game items is strictly prohibited.

Followed by another message.

A Crown Store item is considered an in-game item.

It only states that such action is not prohibited. There is no mention of ZOS taking any responsibility. There is no system to buy crowns. Paying someone gold for gifting you an item from the crown store is possible but is done at your own risk. Same as you can pay someone for a carry and get scammed. It is allowed but not supported as a feature. If it were, there would've been a foolproof system like in-game trading UI. No company enforces "trades for promises", take your own responsibility.

max_only · February 2019

Mr_Walker wrote: »

qbit wrote: »

A punitive society is a vengeful society. What do you get out of banning his account besides personal gratification on par with mental masturbation? You got your virtual currency refunded. And learned a lesson.

Uh, he doesn't get the opportunity to scam someone else?

Man, there's some morally bankrupt folk in here. Time for some long, hard looks into mirrors.

Kinky

Mr_Walker · February 2019

IzzyStardust wrote: »

I legit just had someone crying to me in whisper that it was UNFAIR that I got a char slot token for 125 per crown - because it cuts off their money because they charge 200 per crown - like *so?!*

Literally still telling me it's unfair - I am like look: you would never have had a sale from me at that price - so not like you lost a sale xD

I hope your response was short and pithy. I know mine would have been.

GLP323b14_ESO · February 2019

ZOS needs to put in a way to buy Crowns with in game gold.

Of course that would require them to get more serious about botters.

Ratzkifal · February 2019

@Billdor @IzzyStardust Why don't you start your own crown exchange center as competition for TCE and WCE, if 400g/crown is too high for you. Competition is good for the market and you'll see that they will have to lower their rates to stay competitive. Unless of course their rate is actually a lot more reasonable.
Edit: Apparently the exchange rate is lower on NA. Who would have thought.

IzzyStardust · February 2019

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@Billdor @IzzyStardust Why don't you start your own crown exchange center as competition for TCE and WCE, if 400g/crown is too high for you. Competition is good for the market and you'll see that they will have to lower their rates to stay competitive. Unless of course their rate is actually a lot more reasonable.
Edit: Apparently the exchange rate is lower on NA. Who would have thought.

Why on Earth would I dedicate that amount of time to be a goldseller? I have a job.

Brrrofski · February 2019

Do ZOS encourage selling crowns?

AFAIK they just said they wouldn't punish people for selling them. That's entirely different to accomodating it.

Yeh, if someone scammed you they're a scumbag. I wouldn't get too invested in thinking they'll be punished though. If ZOS don't encourage it, they can't really penalise people for it.

Don't trust strangers pretty much. Especially on the internet.

russelmmendoza · February 2019

Eso is right in refunding you the first time around. And giving you notice that they wont do it the second time around.
If you havent learned the first time it on you.

VaranisArano · February 2019

Jaina_Yossy wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm honestly not sure what is going to be accomplished here.
...
Unfortunately, ZOS failed to develop a transparent and easy to use UI for gold to crown gift trading even though they decided to allow such trading. That's on ZOS, and it leaves us players in a strange place where we have to trust players to trade gold and gifts in an opaque way when ZOS could have given us the UI we asked for. Such a UI would make scams less frequent and thus less work for ZOS.

You just answered your question.

Well, ZOS making a crown gift trade for gold UI would solve the problem, but that's my proposed solution, not what the OP is asking for. I'm still not sure what the OP hopes for by asking for greater punishment of the scammer here on the forums.