A Player scamms me, I report him, he goes without punishment

Jaina_Yossy

I wanted to buy crowns so I asked and a Guild mate offered.

He had 810cp, we had a mutual player-friend, almost 100k donated to the guild... He semed legit.

He demanded me to send money first. I did.

Then he took my money and flew...

I reported him, with screen caps. ZOS gave my money back (Thanks!!!) but warned me It was going to be a one time only.

I spected the scammer player to be banned... But no. He is still playing happily.

So, the players can scamm all they want without consequences? WTF??

P.s
EU/PS4

I emailed the guild master, but didn't receive a reply.
I know the scammer is still playing because we share a Guild and I see him online.
I don't intent to discuss with ZOS, just saying that it's really unfair. It's not using a glitch to get a skin (just pixels) or using bots to make money, this user stole another player's gold (gold = time and effort of a real person). It should be more severe infraction.

VaranisArano

ZOS isn't going to discuss disciplinary action taken against another player, if any, with you.

NoTimeToWait

While this behavior is not decent, usually single-time offense never brings capital punishment. If he continues scamming people he would be banned with high probability.

This game contains thieving and assassination as valid in-game mechanics. I think it is mature enough to accommodate a bit of trickery and scamming. Use more reputable establishments for gold exchange next time

Amyxleexownsxu

I recommend always buying your crowns thru the TCE (Tamriel Crown Exchange). That way you are always guaranteed a legit transaction.

Sheezabeast

They could have been given a social ban, you wouldn't know unless you asked them.

heaven13

What I would recommend is reporting the player to your guild and other crown trading guilds like TCE and WCE (World Crown Exchange). They have blacklists for people who are known scammers, whether they are part of the guild or not. ZoS might not take action against them for a first offense, but knowledge is power and knowing the player has a history will make others more wary of doing business with them in the future.

dovakiin5574

ZoS may have done something such as a warning to that player, but ZoS does not discuss disciplinary actions taken due to your report

firedrgn

I love selling crowns . Made some eso friends also.

redspecter23

You should report that player to the guildmaster of the guild you both share. Feel free to email them the screen shots as well. Perhaps ZOS will let this one pass, but if you have proof, the guild will likely not share that feeling.

Don't publicly share the name around, but informing guild leadership of a potential scammer is a good safety precaution.

Billdor

Amyxleexownsxu wrote: »

I recommend always buying your crowns thru the TCE (Tamriel Crown Exchange). That way you are always guaranteed a legit transaction.

What the TCE who artifically control the price of the crowns? Give me a break.

Mr_Walker

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

This game contains thieving and assassination as valid in-game mechanics. I think it is mature enough to accommodate a bit of trickery and scamming.

That... is an absolutely terrible justification. Really.

Sheezabeast

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

While this behavior is not decent, usually single-time offense never brings capital punishment. If he continues scamming people he would be banned with high probability.

This game contains thieving and assassination as valid in-game mechanics. I think it is mature enough to accommodate a bit of trickery and scamming. Use more reputable establishments for gold exchange next time

You're forgetting that our characters are acting as the tricksters or scammers, when it is a player in an exchange directly with another player, you remove that excuse for bad dishonest behavior because it comes from you not your toon. Sorry to burst that bubble.

Mondini

The onus is on players to not get scammed in game.
Zenimax online studios: one life lesson at a time

Mattock_Romulus

Remember, the player still has to look themselves in the mirror every day and see the reflection of a cheat staring back at them.

If they don't have a conscious their behavior will catch up with them eventually.

bluebird

That's a shame, sorry you had negative experiences I'm vary of crown transactions for this very reason, it just seems like there is an unnecessary amount of things that can go wrong with something that could be a decent system otherwise...

If I had to send money to a trader beforehand and hope he'll mail me an item, I'd buy a lot less things from guild traders too... but they made it a decent listing and instant transaction system with no opportunity for fraud. I really wish they would change the crown trading system to something more secure, the same way GW2 and WoW have been doing for years now with no issues. Just add another tab to guild traders labeled currency exchange, or add a new NPC in the game that exchanges 'crown tokens' for 'gold tokens' and vice versa based on the supply and demand of players.

Girl_Number8

Jaina_Yossy wrote: »

I wanted to buy crowns so I asked and a Guild mate offered.

He had 810cp, we had a mutual player-friend, almost 100k donated to the guild... He semed legit.

He demanded me to send money first. I did.

Then he took my money and flew...

I reported him, with screen caps. ZOS gave my money back (Thanks!!!) but warned me It was going to be a one time only.

I spected the scammer player to be banned... But no. He is still playing happily.

So, the players can scamm all they want without consequences? WTF??

I would be very happy Zos gave you your money back. Sorry you went through this though.

NoTimeToWait

Sheezabeast wrote: »

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

While this behavior is not decent, usually single-time offense never brings capital punishment. If he continues scamming people he would be banned with high probability.

This game contains thieving and assassination as valid in-game mechanics. I think it is mature enough to accommodate a bit of trickery and scamming. Use more reputable establishments for gold exchange next time

You're forgetting that our characters are acting as the tricksters or scammers, when it is a player in an exchange directly with another player, you remove that excuse for bad dishonest behavior because it comes from you not your toon. Sorry to burst that bubble.

I meant that you shouldn't expect other players to be honest if you are honest. And you shouldn't expect them to be punished if you were punished (for you own risk-taking behavior). I think, being scammed from time to time (if you were not good enough to fall for that) is a healthy thing, that trains you to be more aware of other possible threats. Basically, in-game situations with NPC teach you the same, but on a smaller scale. The OP showed good preparedness, so I think it's overall a good thing, because nothing serious happened and a good mental lesson was reinforced

Though, I don't expect you to agree. Some people think vaccination is bad too

Davor

Just remember, when you point a finger at someone, you have three fingers pointing back at you.

IzzyStardust

Billdor wrote: »

Amyxleexownsxu wrote: »

I recommend always buying your crowns thru the TCE (Tamriel Crown Exchange). That way you are always guaranteed a legit transaction.

What the TCE who artifically control the price of the crowns? Give me a break.

Yeah I’m paying max 150per for small 1k amounts and 100 for large big amounts. None of this 200per shenanigans.

Jeremy

Jaina_Yossy wrote: »

I wanted to buy crowns so I asked and a Guild mate offered.

He had 810cp, we had a mutual player-friend, almost 100k donated to the guild... He semed legit.

He demanded me to send money first. I did.

Then he took my money and flew...

I reported him, with screen caps. ZOS gave my money back (Thanks!!!) but warned me It was going to be a one time only.

I spected the scammer player to be banned... But no. He is still playing happily.

So, the players can scamm all they want without consequences? WTF??

P.s
EU/PS4

I emailed the guild master, but didn't receive a reply.
I know the scammer is still playing because we share a Guild and I see him online.
I don't intent to discuss with ZOS, just saying that it's really unfair. It's not using a glitch to get a skin (just pixels) or using bots to make money, this user stole another player's gold (gold = time and effort of a real person). It should be more severe infraction.

I tend to agree with you.

Scamming other players - especially when the scam involves theft - should be treated with fairly harshly. A temporary ban for the first offense sounds reasonable to me. So I"m not going to lie - seeing him happily playing the game would have annoyed me as well.

DBZVelena

Davor wrote: »

Just remember, when you point a finger at someone, you have three fingers pointing back at you.

That is victim blaming, you really shouldn't do that!

Prof_Bawbag

Best part is, ZoS are currently promoting the gift exchange thing. Yet when it goes South, they tell people they will only refund you your missing gold on the first occasion, but don't go crawling back to them reporting a 2nd offence.

Yeah, they can take their current promotion and shove it up their corporate ass. Make the gifting process safer, be a little bit more understanding to those who get scammed and deal with the scammers more harshly, then come back promoting the gifting mechanism.

qbit

A punitive society is a vengeful society. What do you get out of banning his account besides personal gratification on par with mental masturbation? You got your virtual currency refunded. And learned a lesson.

Aliyavana

Davor wrote: »

Just remember, when you point a finger at someone, you have three fingers pointing back at you.

Victim blaming

Mr_Walker

qbit wrote: »

A punitive society is a vengeful society. What do you get out of banning his account besides personal gratification on par with mental masturbation? You got your virtual currency refunded. And learned a lesson.

Uh, he doesn't get the opportunity to scam someone else?

Man, there's some morally bankrupt folk in here. Time for some long, hard looks into mirrors.

jircris11

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Best part is, ZoS are currently promoting the gift exchange thing. Yet when it goes South, they tell people they will only refund you your missing gold on the first occasion, but don't go crawling back to them reporting a 2nd offence.

Yeah, they can take their current promotion and shove it up their corporate ass. Make the gifting process safer, be a little bit more understanding to those who get scammed and deal with the scammers more harshly, then come back promoting the gifting mechanism.

Gift as in giving not selling.

Royaji

You were trying to use a system in a way it is not intended to do. Crown Store gifting is not a legitimate way of selling crowns. It can be used that way but you do it on your own risk and your own responsibility. It was a nice gesture of them to refund your gold. But they are in no way obliged to do it.

kongkim

Go play EVE Online. Then you will find out this is nothing. That you even got something back is a very nice thing for a stupid thing you did.

Never trust other on the internet you don't know.

VaranisArano

I'm honestly not sure what is going to be accomplished here.

OP, ZOS isnt going to discuss discipline with you or anyone. They arent going to say "Two strikes and you're out" or whatever, because then we all know people would skate right up to the line. They arent going to discuss the case with you because of privacy.

There's nothing you can do about whether that player receives punjshment from ZOS or not. At most, you've already notified your guild - and if you dont care for how your guild handles it, there are plenty of other guilds out there.

Unfortunately, ZOS failed to develop a transparent and easy to use UI for gold to crown gift trading even though they decided to allow such trading. That's on ZOS, and it leaves us players in a strange place where we have to trust players to trade gold and gifts in an opaque way when ZOS could have given us the UI we asked for. Such a UI would make scams less frequent and thus less work for ZOS.

Shadowshire

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel

Frankly, if ZOS condones players exchanging Gold Pieces for Crowns and vice-versa, then they should add that as a feature of the Trade UI. Try to steal something from another player via the Trade UI sometime. If you succeed, then you have found a security vulnerability and determined how to exploit it. (Which is probably a federal crime, by the way.)

Also, it should be possible to implement a Guild Store and Guild Trader feature to enable players to offer Crowns for sale in exchange for Gold Pieces, or to offer Gold Pieces for sale in exchange for Crowns.

Perhaps the better idea would be to add a Currency Exchange to the Bank UI (like the Guild Bank feature), by means of which players can offer Gold Pieces in exchange for Crowns, or offer Crowns in exchange for Gold Pieces.

Of course, regardless of how this is designed and implemented, there must be security measures to prevent anyone from using the game client (or other software) to steal Crowns and/or Gold Pieces. Frankly, I have no idea whether it is possible for anyone to hack the Crown Store feature, whether to steal Crowns from player accounts, or to add "counterfeit" Crowns to a player account.

What I do know from experience is that record-keeping by the NA megaserver is unreliable. So, perhaps it would not be a good idea to commingle Crowns (bought from ZOS with Legal Tender IRL, such as Dollars or Euros) with selling and/or purchasing items offered for sale by players in-game -- aside from whether that would be restricted to exchanging Gold Pieces and Crowns.

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

While this behavior is not decent, usually single-time offense never brings capital punishment. If he continues scamming people he would be banned with high probability.

This game contains thieving and assassination as valid in-game mechanics. I think it is mature enough to accommodate a bit of trickery and scamming. Use more reputable establishments for gold exchange next time.

It is the player's characters who are permitted to be thieves and assassins in the game.

• Players who commit acts of fraud in-game are thieves IRL. Players who violate the ZOS Terms of Service are cheating. Nobody wants to play with thieves and cheaters except, perhaps, their friends of the same feather. It is not unusual to have reason to believe that another player's character is either partially or completely controlled by software. Who wants to compete with a robot?
  
• Hardly anyone admires PvP "gankers" -- they seldom engage in Dueling. Rather, they deliberately hunt for other player's characters which appear to be weaker than theirs. They frequently use tactics to gain an overwhelming advantage at the time their character attacks, for example, by an ambush or by attacking from behind, or by attacking from stealth or invisibility. The ganker is not interested in anything but killing other players' characters for no other purpose than the "thrill" and sado-masochistic gratification which they obtain by victimizing the other players. (The PvP player community, acting collectively regardless of faction, has a tradition of punishing gankers.)

The Persians have an old proverb: "Where there is water, people will be sailors."

NoTimeToWait

Shadowshire wrote: »

[*] Players who commit acts of fraud in-game are thieves IRL. Players who violate the ZOS Terms of Service are cheating. Nobody wants to play with thieves and cheaters except, perhaps, their friends of the same feather. It is not unusual to have reason to believe that another player's character is either partially or completely controlled by software. Who wants to compete with a robot?

That is somewhat farfetched. You certainly in no position to make this kind of extrapolation, about the fact that fraudulent behavior is persistent on both sides of a screen in one person. Some people just choose to play a "bad guy". I met a good number of people, who in real life are completely different from their personas on the internet. Though, I try not to presume to be able to understand person's traits without years of socializing with them.

And, btw, when you play single player games, you basically compete with "a robot", though I would prefer to use term "software" instead. Also, training with bots is a good thing in many games, on first stages of learning, like Counter Strike, chess, go. While playing exclusively against software tends to get boring, I wouldn't say that it is not fun overall.