Why No Response to Obvious Cheating Issue with Bots

onyx6977 · February 2019

I would like to have a Member of the Zos Team respond to all of us about the reason they do not do anything about the BOT Farmers. It IS a Breach of Zenimax TOS:

"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax."

"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax."

Why, when so many players report these cheaters, you do nothing about it. They leave and come right back.

Zos.... Please respond.

Davor · February 2019

Why would they? Zenimax loves to brag about the 11 MILLION stories told. If they didn't allow bots, they wouldn't have sold that many copies.

After all, if this isn't true, that would mean over 10 million people bought the game and stopped playing it. (or what ever the numbers are playing. That would still be a lot of people not playing the game.)

Is it annoying? Yes. Is it harming you? I don't think so. If so how? It really is a non issue that you shouldn't worry yourself over.

VaranisArano · February 2019

In my experience, ZOS does, eventually, remove bots when players are diligent about reporting them. And then, within a week, the bots are back. Different names, of course, but still.

So I suspect that from ZOS' perspective its a little like trying to hold back the tide.

BWS2K · February 2019

TL;DR - It's a tricky situation where no explanation is ever required, but that doesn't mean nothing is happening.

The issue is complex.

Imagine you're a teacher and you're administering a test to one of your Monday class. You're grading that evening and see two different tests where cheating was almost certain but the students were on opposite sides of the room. Their answers are identical. Looks like there might be an answer key out there or something.

You could confront them now or wait and see if anyone else cheats.

Tuesday comes and goes and there's only one student with the same answers. Wednesday has a few and then Thursday none. Friday a couple. There was no discernible pattern at first but now it becomes clearer - all the cheaters share a homeroom. Turns out, a student from one of your classes last semester saved all his tests and has been sharing the corrected versions. It's not a perfect score but it's close enough.

If you had confronted the two students on Tuesday morning, it might have stopped the cheating for the rest of the week but the full extent of the issue would not have been discovered. Now you can get everyone involved in one swoop and identify areas on your end that can be changed to prevent further exploits (which, as any teacher will have noticed by now, would mean changing your tests but this is just an example).

The other students (the non-cheaters) might be confused how normally sub-par performing students suddenly scored well and have their own suspicions... but the teacher isn't beholden to explain anything, especially not until the next Monday when it's all settled.

That's us. We're the other students, the non-botters. It looks like ZOS does nothing sometimes... but it doesn't mean they're doing nothing. I spent a solid two weeks logging in multiple times a day in the same starter zone reporting every single set of bot farmers. The first few days took several reports but by the end there was less that a 24hr wait time before the bots were gone. Maybe they were banned, maybe they moved to another zone - I'll never know. What I do know is that they pay attention to how folks spot them because then they change their tactics because they make money doing this. It's worth their time to be listening. When I reported, I called them out in the zone and other folks also reported them. We just made it more difficult for them to blend in and flooded ZOS's inbox with reports.

It still happens, of course. It'll never stop... but rolling over and doing nothing definitely doesn't accomplish anything. ZOS's policy is not to discuss this issue so don't expect a response (though I'd love one too!) but don't take silence as meaning they don't care. Sure, bots mean accounts which means money... but it hurts ESO's reputation as a game to be known as a place for botters, which affects other sales too. I, personally, think the whole crowns-for-gold business is... problematic in an environment flooded with bot farmers, for instance. It's worth money to ZOS to pay attention to all this as well - and I suspect they do. More than we ever realize.

My experience is PC/NA by the way. My thoughts and prayers are with the console folks - I've heard stories that make my heart weep...

Zweible · February 2019

ZOS doesn't even pay any attention to BOT reports. Other than getting an automated (bot) e-mail, I think all the reports are just tossed in the bit bucket. I have reported the same 3 BOTS for over 2 months, and they are still active.

I don't think ZOS realizes the negative impact that the BOTS have on the game as a whole and has developed a live and let live attitude towards them. It inflates their login numbers and makes them look better, so why not?

Also, ZOS shys away from any thread mentioning the problem and does not comment at all. See no evil.

FleetwoodSmack · February 2019

Honestly, ZoS needs to start the Gamemaster program again because issues like this (and others) would have an actual near real-time answer. But what do we get instead? A faulty reporting system algorithm that's only useful when people people report en mass instead of... You know. Going through the actual reports in an orderly fashion.

For the record though, I'd have been agreeing with some that ZoS eventually gets to them. In my experience it took almost three months for the same bot train with the SAME NAMES to get banned in Alikr. What did it take? Coming to the forums with dozens of screenshots to even prove that it was happening. So while it may have been eventual at one point, I still see several of the same bot farmer trains I've reported almost a year ago.

onyx6977 · February 2019

Davor wrote: »

Why would they? Zenimax loves to brag about the 11 MILLION stories told. If they didn't allow bots, they wouldn't have sold that many copies.

After all, if this isn't true, that would mean over 10 million people bought the game and stopped playing it. (or what ever the numbers are playing. That would still be a lot of people not playing the game.)

Is it annoying? Yes. Is it harming you? I don't think so. If so how? It really is a non issue that you shouldn't worry yourself over.

If you think about it in a in-game Economy way, it Hurts all of us. ESO, and many other MMO's, have a structured game economy, which these bots are hurting. In order to get the gear I need for my characters, I need Gold. To get Gold I need to farm and get X amount of raw ore an hour. If the loop that I run to get my Ore has bots then I can not get my ore, thus not making the gold I need for my gear, thus my character is not what it needs to be. Make Sense?

We can move the static bots off the nodes but that takes at least 10 minutes per bot. Then I have to restart my "loop" and do my farming. So say I have 12 metal nodes on my loop, that is 120 minutes I am spending just moving bots before I can do 2 hrs of farming.... that is 2 hrs I can not do other content.

Yes these Bot accounts are money for Zos. But us REAL players make up way more income. I bet you that if All of the Farmer's on the XBOX NA Server cancelled our ESO Plus for 2 months because of this issue, Zos would be more diligent.

I appreciate everyone's views on this issue. I REALLY want to hear from the Game Masters what they are going to do about this HUGE issue.

Mr_Walker · February 2019

Remember folks, real Gamemasters have a (z) next to their name. Don't be fooled by imposters.

onyx6977 · February 2019

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Honestly, ZoS needs to start the Gamemaster program again because issues like this (and others) would have an actual near real-time answer. But what do we get instead? A faulty reporting system algorithm that's only useful when people people report en mass instead of... You know. Going through the actual reports in an orderly fashion.

For the record though, I'd have been agreeing with some that ZoS eventually gets to them. In my experience it took almost three months for the same bot train with the SAME NAMES to get banned in Alikr. What did it take? Coming to the forums with dozens of screenshots to even prove that it was happening. So while it may have been eventual at one point, I still see several of the same bot farmer trains I've reported almost a year ago.

I have spent hours compiling a list of bots, even posted it, and Zos closed that thread for "Naming and Shaming". You would think that since they pay attention to a REAL player naming those who we ALL know are breaking Zenimax and XBox/PS4/PC TOS, they could pay attention and respond to this thread.

phairdon · February 2019

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Remember folks, real Gamemasters have a (z) next to their name. Don't be fooled by imposters.

Haha. I'm positive game masters were present back in 2014, when bots and gold sellers became prominent.

onyx6977 · February 2019

phairdon wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Remember folks, real Gamemasters have a (z) next to their name. Don't be fooled by imposters.

Haha. I'm positive game masters were present back in 2014, when bots and gold sellers became prominent.

then they need to come back.

mxxo · February 2019

ZOS does remove them. But ofc there are new ones.

Skwor · February 2019

Since July 13, 2018 I have made 76 bot reports. ( I have made ALOT more but had a comp crash in Nov so lost easily another 50 or 60 reports and their email response in my recovery of data)

Yes 76 bot reports with 76 email replies for the same 4 bots over and over again. Every email tells you to just ignore the bot. That is the sum of it, Zen has little interest at all in bot reports

That I have 76 emails since July and the bots continue to roam free is more than evidence enough they are doing very little indeed on this issue

Here is a sample:

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

Skwor · February 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

More bots = wrecked economy
More bots = more gold selling
More bots = players botting have unfair advantage
More bots = violating the EULA
More bots = players not botting giving up farming putting all resources farmed in the botting players control
More bots = making certain mobs and quests broke because mobs / area is farmed to where you cannot get a drop

Need I go on or do you wish to continue with your short sighted selfishness?

Elsonso · February 2019

onyx6977 wrote: »

I would like to have a Member of the Zos Team respond to all of us about the reason they do not do anything about the BOT Farmers. It IS a Breach of Zenimax TOS:

[snip]

Why, when so many players report these cheaters, you do nothing about it. They leave and come right back.

ZOS is not going to respond. They have commented, in the past, on large scale actions against cheaters, but they don't comment when it comes to individuals. I think they should periodically come out and say that they are taking action against bots, just to remind people, but ZOS does not follow such suggestions.

That said, we know a few things about how ZOS treats bots. The first thing we know, at least on PC platform, is that ZOS does take action against bots run for profit outside the game. These bots usually come back, under new identities. There is money to be made from ESO, and a few account deletions are not going to stand in the way of that.

Second, we know that ZOS has a three tier punishment system, and they don't talk about who gets what. The first tier is a formal warning. The player is free to continue to play the game, but is told to stop doing whatever it was that cause the warning. The player has the choice to heed the warning or disregard it. This apparently only applies to people who ZOS feels are players, not the people I mentioned above that are trying to make money from the game. There is no way a Warning will be noticed in the game, unless the player admits to it.

After that, the next tier is a suspension. They have to stay away from the game, on that account, for a set number of hours. This might be the second action, or if ZOS feels that it is necessary, they might start with this. Again, this is for players, and it is up to the player whether to resume the behavior after the suspension. This action might be noticed, if it is observed that the player is missing for a couple days. After that, there is no way to tell, unless they admit to it.

The top tier is the ban, which is where the account is locked for a significant amount of time. In theory, permanently, but nothing is really permanent as long as the account still exists. ZOS might start with this, if the situation warrants, but my guess is that it is a last resort. This is really the only action that is likely to be noticed, and it may be confused with a Warning or Suspension, if the player responds to a lesser tier by voluntarily leaving the game.

All of those punishments depend upon the player being noticed doing Bad Things, reported, and reported enough to attract the attention of ZOS. ZOS has vaguely mentioned a reporting threshold that the player has to exceed for standard ToS infractions, like cheating, botting, behavior, and other things I will label as "misdemeanors". Players that are above the "misdemeanor" level, like credible threats of harm to themselves or others outside of the game, are probably taken more seriously, and with a lower reporting threshold, but ZOS has not really come out and said this.

I mention all of this because some people think that if they report someone, they will just go "pouf" and vanish in a matter of hours, and that is not the case. Even if enough people report the player, it might take a few days, a week, maybe more, before the threshold is reached and ZOS takes action, and then only if they agree that there is evidence that action needs to be taken.

On top of all that, my impression is that it is an order of magnitude more complicated on the console. Ultimately, I think that ZOS has to answer to Microsoft and Sony when they ban one of their customers from ESO. All three stand to lose money from this if they player leaves, and if the player was not violating the Microsoft or Sony ToS, then it is not a slam-dunk. This may apply to Steam customers, as well.

Of course, I am not speaking for ZOS. I am relaying my observations and opinions on the matter. ZOS is free to jump in and clarify, or contradict, not that they will.

Skwor · February 2019

lordrichter wrote: »

onyx6977 wrote: »

I would like to have a Member of the Zos Team respond to all of us about the reason they do not do anything about the BOT Farmers. It IS a Breach of Zenimax TOS:

[snip]

Why, when so many players report these cheaters, you do nothing about it. They leave and come right back.

ZOS is not going to respond. They have commented, in the past, on large scale actions against cheaters, but they don't comment when it comes to individuals. I think they should periodically come out and say that they are taking action against bots, just to remind people, but ZOS does not follow such suggestions.

That said, we know a few things about how ZOS treats bots. The first thing we know, at least on PC platform, is that ZOS does take action against bots run for profit outside the game. These bots usually come back, under new identities. There is money to be made from ESO, and a few account deletions are not going to stand in the way of that.

Second, we know that ZOS has a three tier punishment system, and they don't talk about who gets what. The first tier is a formal warning. The player is free to continue to play the game, but is told to stop doing whatever it was that cause the warning. The player has the choice to heed the warning or disregard it. This apparently only applies to people who ZOS feels are players, not the people I mentioned above that are trying to make money from the game. There is no way a Warning will be noticed in the game, unless the player admits to it.

After that, the next tier is a suspension. They have to stay away from the game, on that account, for a set number of hours. This might be the second action, or if ZOS feels that it is necessary, they might start with this. Again, this is for players, and it is up to the player whether to resume the behavior after the suspension. This action might be noticed, if it is observed that the player is missing for a couple days. After that, there is no way to tell, unless they admit to it.

The top tier is the ban, which is where the account is locked for a significant amount of time. In theory, permanently, but nothing is really permanent as long as the account still exists. ZOS might start with this, if the situation warrants, but my guess is that it is a last resort. This is really the only action that is likely to be noticed, and it may be confused with a Warning or Suspension, if the player responds to a lesser tier by voluntarily leaving the game.

All of those punishments depend upon the player being noticed doing Bad Things, reported, and reported enough to attract the attention of ZOS. ZOS has vaguely mentioned a reporting threshold that the player has to exceed for standard ToS infractions, like cheating, botting, behavior, and other things I will label as "misdemeanors". Players that are above the "misdemeanor" level, like credible threats of harm to themselves or others outside of the game, are probably taken more seriously, and with a lower reporting threshold, but ZOS has not really come out and said this.

I mention all of this because some people think that if they report someone, they will just go "pouf" and vanish in a matter of hours, and that is not the case. Even if enough people report the player, it might take a few days, a week, maybe more, before the threshold is reached and ZOS takes action, and then only if they agree that there is evidence that action needs to be taken.

On top of all that, my impression is that it is an order of magnitude more complicated on the console. Ultimately, I think that ZOS has to answer to Microsoft and Sony when they ban one of their customers from ESO. All three stand to lose money from this if they player leaves, and if the player was not violating the Microsoft or Sony ToS, then it is not a slam-dunk. This may apply to Steam customers, as well.

Of course, I am not speaking for ZOS. I am relaying my observations and opinions on the matter. ZOS is free to jump in and clarify, or contradict, not that they will.

You whole argument fails, perhaps you should address my post above first. 76 provable, easily 150+ of those I lost in the crash of bot reports over the last year on the same 4 bots. You want to justify the failure to address so much reporting of the same 4 for at least a year?

[snip] I don't think anything, I know! I provided facts on this issue.

Exactly when does it become useless to make bot reports? You think a years worth of reports totaling over 150 is just not enough of a threshold for Zen to care? Why is that then not also an issue? Why bother reporting anything on bots if 150+ reports on the same bots for a very long duration does not even make a blip on their radar?

[Edit for bait.]

BWS2K · February 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

Here's some reading for you.

TL;DR - Prices settle to what people are willing to pay for them, with or without bots. Removing bots won't ruin the economy or increase prices drastically.

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

Skwor wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

More bots = wrecked economy
More bots = more gold selling
More bots = players botting have unfair advantage
More bots = violating the EULA
More bots = players not botting giving up farming putting all resources farmed in the botting players control
More bots = making certain mobs and quests broke because mobs / area is farmed to where you cannot get a drop

Need I go on or do you wish to continue with your short sighted selfishness?

In ~1500 hours of gameplay, I saw just several bot trains.. i roam craglorn often killing those portals and nirncrux mines for fun, and i got fair share of mats from there. I don't see difference between bots and addons that provide additional info about what's going on, especially in pvp, but raid notifier is a joke too. I mean any person with this addon got "unfair" advantage.

So following your logic:
Advanced UI addons = wrecked difficulty in PVE
Advanced UI addons = cheaper motifs = wrecked economy
Advanced UI addons = players receive unfair advantage in PVP
Advanced UI addons = easier writ making = wrecked economy

Emma_Overload · February 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

THIS.

All the guys griping in this thread just want to sell Kutas for 5000G. LOL, no thanks! If bots are the reason they are going for 2500G, then let them be.

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

Oh, and when I was tired of people looking at my inventory for drops as in their own, which is in my opinion violation of your EULA, I created ticket with question how to close this info, and you know what answer was? Contact addon author, we don't care.
So it's just ZOS way, it's not Blizzard, they won't make anything for "fairness", they just do what majority wants to keep their player base happy. Since for majority bots are not a problem and even are profitable due to decreased prices, and also bots bring extra cash, so ZOS will never fix this completely. Yes they will ban existing bots, but they won't close gate for new ones.

Emma_Overload · February 2019

BWS2K wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

Here's some reading for you.

TL;DR - Prices settle to what people are willing to pay for them, with or without bots. Removing bots won't ruin the economy or increase prices drastically.

LOL, please go back to school. There is no substitute for a gold mat in ESO economy - people will pay whatever it takes to buy one. I don't want to pay any more than necessary, and I'm guessing most other players don't, either.

Skwor · February 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

More bots = wrecked economy
More bots = more gold selling
More bots = players botting have unfair advantage
More bots = violating the EULA
More bots = players not botting giving up farming putting all resources farmed in the botting players control
More bots = making certain mobs and quests broke because mobs / area is farmed to where you cannot get a drop

Need I go on or do you wish to continue with your short sighted selfishness?

In ~1500 hours of gameplay, I saw just several bot trains.. i roam craglorn often killing those portals and nirncrux mines for fun, and i got fair share of mats from there. I don't see difference between bots and addons that provide additional info about what's going on, especially in pvp, but raid notifier is a joke too. I mean any person with this addon got "unfair" advantage.

So following your logic:
Advanced UI addons = wrecked difficulty in PVE
Advanced UI addons = cheaper motifs = wrecked economy
Advanced UI addons = players receive unfair advantage in PVP
Advanced UI addons = easier writ making = wrecked economy

Not one example you gave is relevant. None of them allow a player to play the game on auto for hours and reap any sort of benefit, ergo none of those are botting. also everyone can use those and not violate the game EULA. So if you are going to use the word logic actually try to employ it correctly because nothing you posted above makes a logically cogent or related argument.

Also I will trump your 1500 game play hours with over 4000 game play hours just listed on steam. I had the game well before steam offered it which I would guess I could claim 5000 hours, your play time means nothing. I have farmed WAY more than you.

BWS2K · February 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

BWS2K wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

Here's some reading for you.

TL;DR - Prices settle to what people are willing to pay for them, with or without bots. Removing bots won't ruin the economy or increase prices drastically.

LOL, please go back to school. There is no substitute for a gold mat in ESO economy - people will pay whatever it takes to buy one. I don't want to pay any more than necessary, and I'm guessing most other players don't, either.

"People will pay whatever if takes to buy one." < - then that's your problem, not bots. Botting only takes advantage of that. You literally just posted that no one would pay 5k for Kuta... but they would if that was the cheapest price out there, lol

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

Skwor wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

More bots = wrecked economy
More bots = more gold selling
More bots = players botting have unfair advantage
More bots = violating the EULA
More bots = players not botting giving up farming putting all resources farmed in the botting players control
More bots = making certain mobs and quests broke because mobs / area is farmed to where you cannot get a drop

Need I go on or do you wish to continue with your short sighted selfishness?

In ~1500 hours of gameplay, I saw just several bot trains.. i roam craglorn often killing those portals and nirncrux mines for fun, and i got fair share of mats from there. I don't see difference between bots and addons that provide additional info about what's going on, especially in pvp, but raid notifier is a joke too. I mean any person with this addon got "unfair" advantage.

So following your logic:
Advanced UI addons = wrecked difficulty in PVE
Advanced UI addons = cheaper motifs = wrecked economy
Advanced UI addons = players receive unfair advantage in PVP
Advanced UI addons = easier writ making = wrecked economy

Not one example you gave is relevant. None of them allow a player to play the game on auto for hours and reap any sort of benefit, ergo none of those are botting. also everyone can use those and not violate the game EULA. So if you are going to use the word logic actually try to employ it correctly because nothing you posted above makes a logically cogent or related argument.

Also I will trump your 1500 game play hours with over 4000 game play hours just listed on steam. I had the game well before steam offered it which I would guess I could claim 5000 hours, your play time means nothing. I have farmed WAY more than you.

Ok, so easy writ crafter which automatically presses buttons for you doesn't have same effect as bots? Lol

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

And I don't justify bots and don't yell to forbid addons, I just trying to explain that this is how this game works, and it will be too painful and unprofitable for ZOS to fix this, so they will forbid bots on code level only if they will be a major issue threatening game.

Skwor · February 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

More bots = wrecked economy
More bots = more gold selling
More bots = players botting have unfair advantage
More bots = violating the EULA
More bots = players not botting giving up farming putting all resources farmed in the botting players control
More bots = making certain mobs and quests broke because mobs / area is farmed to where you cannot get a drop

Need I go on or do you wish to continue with your short sighted selfishness?

In ~1500 hours of gameplay, I saw just several bot trains.. i roam craglorn often killing those portals and nirncrux mines for fun, and i got fair share of mats from there. I don't see difference between bots and addons that provide additional info about what's going on, especially in pvp, but raid notifier is a joke too. I mean any person with this addon got "unfair" advantage.

So following your logic:
Advanced UI addons = wrecked difficulty in PVE
Advanced UI addons = cheaper motifs = wrecked economy
Advanced UI addons = players receive unfair advantage in PVP
Advanced UI addons = easier writ making = wrecked economy

Not one example you gave is relevant. None of them allow a player to play the game on auto for hours and reap any sort of benefit, ergo none of those are botting. also everyone can use those and not violate the game EULA. So if you are going to use the word logic actually try to employ it correctly because nothing you posted above makes a logically cogent or related argument.

Also I will trump your 1500 game play hours with over 4000 game play hours just listed on steam. I had the game well before steam offered it which I would guess I could claim 5000 hours, your play time means nothing. I have farmed WAY more than you.

Ok, so easy writ crafter which automatically presses buttons for you doesn't have same effect as bots? Lol

Still not botting, try to walk away for 15 minutes and see if easy writ crafter does anything for you?
AND again anyone can use it legally and it is an authorized mod.

Caligamy_ESO · February 2019

But did you try putting the bots on ignore?

Skwor · February 2019

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

But did you try putting the bots on ignore?

LOL nice. No I can't say I did

BWS2K · February 2019

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

But did you try putting the bots on ignore?

I'll report bots when I see them while I'm out and about but I don't like the auto-ignore feature simply because I always try to engage them in chat somehow. I usually visit certain areas frequently and will re-report daily - but I always call them out or whisper to them. I don't want to miss a response. I like to be as certain as possible that I'm actually reporting a bot and not just some RPer or something. *shrug*

Emma_Overload · February 2019

BWS2K wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

BWS2K wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

More bots -> cheaper mats, what's the problem

Here's some reading for you.

TL;DR - Prices settle to what people are willing to pay for them, with or without bots. Removing bots won't ruin the economy or increase prices drastically.

LOL, please go back to school. There is no substitute for a gold mat in ESO economy - people will pay whatever it takes to buy one. I don't want to pay any more than necessary, and I'm guessing most other players don't, either.

"People will pay whatever if takes to buy one." < - then that's your problem, not bots. Botting only takes advantage of that. You literally just posted that no one would pay 5k for Kuta... but they would if that was the cheapest price out there, lol

"Literally" doesn't mean what you think it means. What I LITERALLY said was "All the guys griping in this thread just want to sell Kutas for 5000G. LOL, no thanks!". I'm saying "no thanks" to all the guys who think high prices are a good idea, but I don't have any choice about buying kutas... there is no other way to create gold quality enchants!