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Would adding a story mode influence your decision on buying Elsweyr
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Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭I plan on purchasing it but I would still like the option.I doubt there is time to add this feature in time for Wrathstone, but it might be possible to work it in for Elsweyr. It could be that added function that Elsweyr seems to be lacking from previous chapters. That is why I asked this question.
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I plan on purchasing it but I would still like the option.for me its not Elsweyr purchase as much as whether I keep my ESO plus active. if we got story mode for dungeons, I wouldn't even have to keep thinking about it, it would just stay active.dirty worthless casual.
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Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭I plan on purchasing it but I would still like the option.@redspecter23 @Number_51
What got me to thinking about this was several things one of which is the idea of a story mode because so many of these group dungeons go unexplored by a large group of players and many who have played them didn't get to enjoy the story that went with them.
I did not confuse Wrathstone with Elsweyr. I did see posts about folks comparing the features of Elsweyr with previous chapters and that it seemed lacking in the perks department like new systems of play. So since so many folks were talking about Story modes I thought I'd ask to see if this had enough to support to warrant an argument for its inclusion in the new chapter.
Also, wouldn't it make more sense that if you were going to add such a feature you would add it to a Story product rather than a group product. I bet if they did they would get a ton of back buys for older content along with the chapter purchase or maybe more folks would get ESO+ and possibly there will be a group that would get both (like I do for the content I want).
I always seem to miss at least oneI think the poll lacks the “I’m on the fence but this would be irrelevant to me”.
Edited by Casdha on February 2, 2019 6:23AMProud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%1 -
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What got me to thinking about this was several things one of which is the idea of a story mode because so many of these group dungeons go unexplored by a large group of players and many who have played them didn't get to enjoy the story that went with them.
I did not confuse Wrathstone with Elsweyr. I did see posts about folks comparing the features of Elsweyr with previous chapters and that it seemed lacking in the perks department like new systems of play. So since so many folks were talking about Story modes I thought I'd ask to see if this had enough to support to warrant an argument for its inclusion in the new chapter.
Also, wouldn't it make more sense that if you were going to add such a feature you would add it to a Story product rather than a group product. I bet if they did they would get a ton of back buys for older content along with the chapter purchase or maybe more folks would get ESO+ and possibly there will be a group that would get both (like I do for the content I want).
I always seem to miss at least oneI think the poll lacks the “I’m on the fence but this would be irrelevant to me”.
I do think that ZOS is really missing a huge audience with their more casual crowd. A full 50% of their updates are of no interest to this large portion of the game population. Some sort of story mode might get those players more interested in the content, but it really depends on the implementation. Allowing for what amounts to an ultra easy mode for all dungeons so that players of all skill levels can enjoy the story is a great idea but how to you integrate it properly so it is worth it? If you include similar loot as harder difficulties, you negate the need to run it on normal or veteran to farm. If you remove any incentive at all as far as loot goes, then it's no better than a one shot event which may not be worth the price of the DLC. It's hard to say what the proper balance is, but I would say that the current DLC dungeon setup is not working for any but the more hardcore pve crowd and even they get bored of these dungeons quickly enough.4 -
Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭I plan on purchasing it but I would still like the option.redspecter23 wrote: »Some sort of story mode might get those players more interested in the content, but it really depends on the implementation. Allowing for what amounts to an ultra easy mode for all dungeons so that players of all skill levels can enjoy the story is a great idea but how to you integrate it properly so it is worth it? If you include similar loot as harder difficulties, you negate the need to run it on normal or veteran to farm. If you remove any incentive at all as far as loot goes, then it's no better than a one shot event which may not be worth the price of the DLC. It's hard to say what the proper balance is, but I would say that the current DLC dungeon setup is not working for any but the more hardcore pve crowd and even they get bored of these dungeons quickly enough.
My personal preference would be adding another difficulty setting to the group page. Why the group page you ask, you can still group with friends on overland, you shouldn't take that option away. I would set this new difficulty up like a Public dungeon, where Solo it is slightly harder than a Delve but it will also scale to the number of people in your group. The rewards would be equivalent to Public dungeons.
(edit: for those solo players who have avoided public dungeons since launch, they are a cake walk now for a solo player compared to what they use to be)
Something like this mock up I made, although I made it for another thread. With this comment it should say Public Dungeon Difficulty:
Edited by Casdha on February 2, 2019 6:51AMProud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
No, I have bought it already or plan to purchase it as-isI don't care about solo mode for myself, but if it's something that other people want then I definitely don't mind.
I like things hard, I like having to tweak my gear and skills and playstyle, but also I love mmos and this certainly is not my first one.
A game like ESO attracts a lot of people who are not well-acquainted with mmos and came here specifically for the ip and I understand that and am cool with them having options to access the content they paid for.
Also I have no problems staying back to watch a story unfold my first time in a dungeon, but I appreciate that some people get anxious about such things.
I manually try to avoid rushing people through a story and I'll happily tell them to take their time and wait for them but it would be great if there was another option for people who get dragged through too fast by groups that are selfish or don't realize that somebody's new to it.1 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭It doesn't matter, I don't plan on buying it anyways, nothing ZOS does will change my mindNot spending any more money on this *** to be subjected to unwanted changes in class and race passives and skillz and constant nerfing ***.
Just waiting to see if those racial passive changes make it into this game. If it day, that will be the day I unsubscribe permanently from this game.1 -
Greysson✭✭✭✭No, I have bought it already or plan to purchase it as-isI have bought it already, but i would love to see an option to do the story dungeons solo or let the normal versions of the dungeons be normal, unlike Scalecaller and the other latest dlc dungeons.1 -
Ermiq✭✭✭✭✭
✭I plan on purchasing it but I would still like the option.LightMaster7 wrote: »Not spending any more money on this *** to be subjected to unwanted changes in class and race passives and skillz and constant nerfing ***.
Just waiting to see if those racial passive changes make it into this game. If it day, that will be the day I unsubscribe permanently from this game.
Every MMORPG out there has constant changes, balancing and so-called nerfing. If you really that disagree with that, you probably shouldn't play MMORPGs.One of the two of us definitely has gone mad. It only remains to define whether this one is the whole world or just me.
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Marisana✭✭✭I plan on purchasing it but I would still like the option.I'm really looking forward to Elsweyr. Zenimax delivered some fine story content with Morrowind, CWC and Summerset, and I'm confident they'll do the same with Elsweyr.
The Necromancer class is a nice bonus, and I'm curious to see what else they might announce later this year, so I'm already sold on the new chapter.
Would I still support a story mode for dungeons? Absolutely!
I believe it's never a bad thing to have more options, so if Zenimax could make this happen with justifiable effort I'd love to see it implemented. The discussion about this topic shows that there is definitely a demand for it, and I really liked the idea that normal difficulty doesn't need to be tweaked but that a solo player could get some NPC helpers as support and finish the dungeon that way.
Such a solution might also mean less work for Zenimax, so who knows? I guess we'll have to see what they have to say about it.
Until then, I'm happily awaiting the arrival of the Dragons!
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siddique✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I have bought it already or plan to purchase it as-isBought it as soon as it was available."Knee-jerk reactionist."
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Adding a Story mode would make me change my mind and not purchase it...and then one day they will close servers and people will play offline ESO in story mode.. all this things will be a small steps in wrong direction..1 -
Lord_Wrath✭✭✭✭✭What do you mean a story mode?1300+ CP | Lørd Wrath | - Sorcerer - Palatine - Grand Master Crafter - 30000 Achievement Points
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Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭I plan on purchasing it but I would still like the option.Lord_Wrath wrote: »What do you mean a story mode?
Depends on who you talk too. As I've stated my personal preference is a lower difficulty setting which would allow most folks to solo a group dungeon (like public dungeons) and give equivalent quality rewards (no monster sets, maybe one green level dungeon gear for completing). I've seen others who just want to walk through and interact with the NPCs. I personally don't agree with that but if ZOS ever decides to add such a feature, I would accept it in what ever form it comes as it would mean more options for its players.
(edit: Oh and I've seen folks who would like to add NPC companions to fill the unfilled slots in a 4 person group)
I've seen no one asking to change what is already there for Vet or Vet Hard Mode and also not for Normal non DLC group dungeons. I wouldn't support those types of changes if someone was asking for them (other than small PTS tweaks).Edited by Casdha on February 2, 2019 4:23PMProud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, I have bought it already or plan to purchase it as-isI told ZOS to take my money and they did.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Olith✭✭✭mar1ano1987nrb18_ESO wrote: »Already bought it .
It would not influence me at all .
I just hope they dont make this game more easy . I always play with my wife as duo ..public dungeons, quests and delves are way too easy for 2 players
I'd think that's why the OP speaks of an additional (read: optional) "story mode". I agree they should not dumb down the existing content for everyone.1 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I have bought it already or plan to purchase it as-isThe problem is that a group dungeon is a story mode. That content was designed to be completed by an ensemble. Solo mode would just be Frodo going to the mountain by himself or be just Jon Snow knowing nothing from one side of Westeros to the other. Having more people along for the ride helps give scale to both the world and the threat.
That said, I wouldn't mind a spectator mode. That way you can experience how the content is meant to be played and also see the mistakes that people don't want to broadcast. I find more educational value in evaluating the failures than in seeing something play through smoothly.MartiniDaniels wrote: »..and then one day they will close servers and people will play offline ESO in story mode.. all this things will be a small steps in wrong direction..
Obligations for players to not create private servers or other proxy ways to play will extend long after the game is offline. And Bethesda is part of the ESA that opposes archival servers and the Copyright Office denied that request. Large online games are not considered complete and not compatible for play in a museum setting.
So that's not an issue.signing off1 -
Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭I plan on purchasing it but I would still like the option.The problem is that a group dungeon is a story mode. That content was designed to be completed by an ensemble.
Content yes, but I personally have never seen one of the group dungeon stories even acknowledge that you are in a group although I've only played about 6 of them. The ones I've been in always refer to you as an individual completing the tasks and the story NPCs seem to be unaware that you are in a group.Edited by Casdha on February 2, 2019 9:04PMProud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%1 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, I have bought it already or plan to purchase it as-isIt wouldn't influence my decision at all, but I would like to see a story mode regardless.
I play this game for the rich story, and I know many others do as well.2 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Don't know if I'm buying it. Don't play for the story. If the Necro class is interesting, that's the only reason I think I would be swayed.1 -
Pourekos✭✭I was literally ready to pre-order a game for the first time since literally WotLK in WoW and then I saw this about the story being locked inside dungeons for 2 of the DLCs. I did not re-order and I will not be buying the expansion in general if this goes as is, I have just been through the same nonsense in too many other MMOs to bother with it again.2
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theyancey✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I have bought it already or plan to purchase it as-isSylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »I've already bought the digital CE, and will also buy a physical box to actually install from (I don't have the bandwidth to download anything that large), but a story mode could be a nice deal anyway.
Physical boxes rarely contain any kind of archaic disk anymore. There is simply an access code and the download link.
Hmmm. Best Buy indicated they expected to have the physical boxes come with disks. If not.... well, I'll be waiting on a friend's stick with his full install folder again I guess.
Hmmm some more: from Amazon's preorder listing -
Product description
Platform:PC | Edition:Standard | Format:Disc
Even the last couple of boxed games I bought that came with disks didn't have much of the game on that disk. The disk simply connected with the company server and the download commenced. I ended up downloading almost as much data as if I had grabbed the entire game online. I think that may have been a Diablo edition. With games like ESO it won't matter much either way as any disk will be out of date and the patch size can be astronomical. Just look at what some Steam users are going through.1 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Adding a Story mode would make me change my mind and not purchase it.I wouldn't like the game going in that direction personally. It's an MMO, if you don't want to play with other players there are games that do a much better job at single player content than ESO does (even though it does a better job than many MMOs at it). IMO some of the worst content in the game is focused on single player and some of the best is the multi-player stuff.-- @xaraan --
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crjs1✭✭✭✭✭I plan on purchasing it but I would still like the option.I will still buy but I would definitely like a story mode to make dungeons and even trials more accessible. I could not tell you one storyline from any dungeon as each and every time I do one the group speed run. Hanging back to read dialogue gets either a kick, or a mouthful of abuse... which means constant pressure to just ignore dialogue.
With the introduction of an overarching year long story it really really disappointing that a story mode for the new dungeons hasn’t been introduced. Especially as normal for these 2 dungeons isn’t soloable due to mechanics and difficulty if PTS feedback is anything to go by.2 -
MagicalLija✭✭✭✭✭No, I have bought it already or plan to purchase it as-isI mean, I loved the Summerset and Vvardenfell stories, the trials are also definitely difficult1 -
Algraxa✭✭✭You missed an option:
Already purchased but would LOVE to see a story mode.
Not everyone wants to be LEET or have to struggle to see major story elements, but everyone wants to participate in the story they pay for.
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Karminathevamp✭✭✭I've been subscribing and playing since beta in 2014 and I've already bought the next chapter. I just love the Elder Scroll series for the rich lore and would very much appreciate a story mode added to the dungeons in this game. BTW I watched the devs going through the new Frostvolt dungeon last night on Twitch and they all skipped the story.Master Angler2 -
Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭I plan on purchasing it but I would still like the option.You missed an option:
Already purchased but would LOVE to see a story mode.
Not everyone wants to be LEET or have to struggle to see major story elements, but everyone wants to participate in the story they pay for.
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Yea, I realized that after I posted. The last option should have been worded like the first one something like:
" No, I have bought or plan to buy but would still like to see this option"
Sadly I can't edit options after they are posted. If I had done that I suspect most of the votes in the first option would be in the last one, judging by all the comments.Edited by Casdha on February 2, 2019 9:50PMProud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
klowdy1✭✭✭✭✭I haven't kept up with the next chapter since returning. Are they looking to make the new zone like old Craglorn? I've seen a few posts talking about grouping, and the new chapter. I won't be buying it if the OW stuff is group only. I have very spastic play times, and often go back and forth while working out, so I'm afk about 20% of the time. I can deal with the normal grouping stuff, I just plan ahead for dungeons and other group things, but i wouldn't want to be a burden on anyone else because of my particular playing system.1
