Medium Armor (Improved Sneak Passive)

ThePainGuy · January 2019

I wanted to get some thoughts from the community on improved sneak passive of medium armor skill line. Currently it offers reduction in sneak cost and reduction in the area of detection of sneak. Can we get an additional benefit to this passive that benefits in combat use? Example: Increase stamina by 100 for each medium armor worn for level 1 and increase stamina by 200 for each medium armor worn at level 2. Just an idea... The purpose would be to add utility to players who don't sneak around in PVE or PVP. I don't think this passive currently benefits players doing end game PVE or high level PVP. Increasing max stam would help with more resources for dodge rolling, break free, blocking in medium armor that drains resources currently in this meta due to our move speed being decreased with the reduction in major expedition duration across the board. Any other ideas or criticism is more than welcome.

The reason I am bringing this topic up now is given the proposed changes to bosmer and khajits (in Wrathstone DLC) where there sneak/stealth passives were changed to offer additional benefits that are more universally used throughout the game. Maybe now is a good time to look at the improved sneak passive to provide an additional benefit that is more applicable to a wide-range of play-styles in medium armor.

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Hearts_Wake · January 2019

I think this could have another added bonus as well. But if your not sneaking, don’t spec into it. Ya know.

katorga · January 2019

I think all of the sneak/stealth passives should be moved to Legerdemain or Thieves Guild lines, and armor and racial passives should focus on effects that have wider utility in all forms of game play. Replace them on medium armor with armor penetration.

Matthros · January 2019

Totally agree with moving the sneak passive to another skill line so it can benefit even heavy or light armor chars who want to use it.

SaintSubwayy · January 2019

katorga wrote: »

I think all of the sneak/stealth passives should be moved to Legerdemain or Thieves Guild lines, and armor and racial passives should focus on effects that have wider utility in all forms of game play. Replace them on medium armor with armor penetration.

Giving med armor pen would increase stam dps again by a ton, they could swap mundus back to warrior adding another big chunk of wd to their already high dmg...

Not the best idea imo, but they could do something to the sneak passive that buffs other playstyles

Aedrion · January 2019

Move it to legerdemain and give medium armour reduced AoE damage taken and sprint cost reduction as a passive instead.
Then make shuffle last 6 seconds + 0.5 seconds per medium piece.

Rikumaru · January 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

I think all of the sneak/stealth passives should be moved to Legerdemain or Thieves Guild lines, and armor and racial passives should focus on effects that have wider utility in all forms of game play. Replace them on medium armor with armor penetration.

Giving med armor pen would increase stam dps again by a ton, they could swap mundus back to warrior adding another big chunk of wd to their already high dmg...

Not the best idea imo, but they could do something to the sneak passive that buffs other playstyles

Dunno about you, but I'm tired of the HA meta with ultra tanks doing dumb amounts of damage and would love to see a medium armor meta.

SaintSubwayy · January 2019

Rikumaru wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

I think all of the sneak/stealth passives should be moved to Legerdemain or Thieves Guild lines, and armor and racial passives should focus on effects that have wider utility in all forms of game play. Replace them on medium armor with armor penetration.

Giving med armor pen would increase stam dps again by a ton, they could swap mundus back to warrior adding another big chunk of wd to their already high dmg...

Not the best idea imo, but they could do something to the sneak passive that buffs other playstyles

Dunno about you, but I'm tired of the HA meta with ultra tanks doing dumb amounts of damage and would love to see a medium armor meta.

Ha meta??
That stuff is gone for a while now thou
You talking mainly pvp or pve?

olsborg · January 2019

Yea the passive is wasted at this point in the game, there might have been a time way back when where this passive was slightly useful, but that time is long gone. It would be far better to make this passive into something useful for combat so medium armor would get closer to the power of heavy armor (and light armor).

Rikumaru · January 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

I think all of the sneak/stealth passives should be moved to Legerdemain or Thieves Guild lines, and armor and racial passives should focus on effects that have wider utility in all forms of game play. Replace them on medium armor with armor penetration.

Giving med armor pen would increase stam dps again by a ton, they could swap mundus back to warrior adding another big chunk of wd to their already high dmg...

Not the best idea imo, but they could do something to the sneak passive that buffs other playstyles

Dunno about you, but I'm tired of the HA meta with ultra tanks doing dumb amounts of damage and would love to see a medium armor meta.

Ha meta??
That stuff is gone for a while now thou
You talking mainly pvp or pve?

Oh PvP, I don't PvE so I'm not too sure on what goes on in there.

Edziu · January 2019

katorga wrote: »

I think all of the sneak/stealth passives should be moved to Legerdemain or Thieves Guild lines, and armor and racial passives should focus on effects that have wider utility in all forms of game play. Replace them on medium armor with armor penetration.

well this is great idea even in lore

if anyone played oblivion and skyrim (not ssure aobut morrowind, here it wasnt that cleary decribed xD) when you have just mastered heavy armor you could inaudibly sneak in it like in medium/light armor

SaintSubwayy · January 2019

Rikumaru wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

I think all of the sneak/stealth passives should be moved to Legerdemain or Thieves Guild lines, and armor and racial passives should focus on effects that have wider utility in all forms of game play. Replace them on medium armor with armor penetration.

Giving med armor pen would increase stam dps again by a ton, they could swap mundus back to warrior adding another big chunk of wd to their already high dmg...

Not the best idea imo, but they could do something to the sneak passive that buffs other playstyles

Dunno about you, but I'm tired of the HA meta with ultra tanks doing dumb amounts of damage and would love to see a medium armor meta.

Ha meta??
That stuff is gone for a while now thou
You talking mainly pvp or pve?

Oh PvP, I don't PvE so I'm not too sure on what goes on in there.

ah kk, well in PVE stamina would just nuke the crap out on DPS if they would get penetration on the armor, so for the sake of some PVE balancing (jeah its a thing) adding Penetration to medium armor would be a really bad move in terms of balance

But I agree that the sneak passive could use another bonus, since its only benefiting RP'ers and Gankers ...the yshould also keep this Passive for their playsytle no question about it...but getting something ontop for everybody sounds fair to me (as long as it is balanced for both PVE and PVP)