Battleground Flag Games Broken State : DK Wings Need Cool-down or Other Treatment
Lord_Eomer
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Carrying relic, or Chaos Ball, spamming wings + Sword and Board Ultimate is making worse for range players and giving DK very unfair advantage.
If not cooldown then do not let use wings skill while carrying Relic or Ball!
Templar Eclipse can be CC break and have cooldown why leaving DK Wings + Sword and Board over performing.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler kindly look into this.
Edited by Lord_Eomer on January 26, 2019 2:25PM If not cooldown then do not let use wings skill while carrying Relic or Ball!
Templar Eclipse can be CC break and have cooldown why leaving DK Wings + Sword and Board over performing.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler kindly look into this.
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Draxys✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@ZOS_BrianWheeler please kindly do not look into further ruining a somewhat moderately useful skill that has been nothing but nerfed for the past 5 years. It’s one of the last pieces remaining of the DK identity, and there are quite a few exceptions to what it can reflect. Being strong in one niche scenario does not equal overpowered.2013
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John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Lord_Dexter , sword & board (along with DW) just received a huge nerf - and magicka, in comparison, a huge buff. Maybe it's time to stop asking for nerfs.4 -
robpr✭✭✭✭✭
✭Everybody can equip S&B ulti and that one projectile reflecting skill though? Stop trying to find problems where they not exist. Better look into Cloaks, Snipes, Warden permasnaring and Sorc lingering BS execute.6 -
ccmedaddy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A cooldown? Seriously?
People like OP have no idea what they're getting themselves into when they ask for a cooldown or a casttime on abilities that they don't like. I swear to god, if ZOS weren't smart enough to ignore dumb feedback like this (which I think they are), we'll have a combat system resembling a JRPG from the 90's in a couple years.7 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The templar eclipse doesn’t reflect the actual projectile back. It just reflects magic damage if you direct damage.
Gotta learn to counter DKs with wings by not fragging/spearing/reaching/etc., them."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power3 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A cooldown? Seriously?
People like OP have no idea what they're getting themselves into when they ask for a cooldown or a casttime on abilities that they don't like. I swear to god, if ZOS weren't smart enough to ignore dumb feedback like this (which I think they are), we'll have a combat system resembling a JRPG from the 90's in a couple years.
Exactly a cooldown, range magicka players spells are reflecting and feel fool casting snare, root. Almost every range spell reflecting.
No doubt DK wings need adjustment.0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »The templar eclipse doesn’t reflect the actual projectile back. It just reflects magic damage if you direct damage.
Gotta learn to counter DKs with wings by not fragging/spearing/reaching/etc., them.
None said that eclipse reflect so read before reply.
Its but similar kind of skill without reflection of spell. All light attacks including destruction reach and class range spells its reflect.
No doubt wings are giving unfair advantage in BG flag games, DK are already very tank and balance.
You may be play as stamina and know nothing about magicka spells.0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yea, lot of DK abuse wings in BG flag games. They would be more happier as is but balance should come Today or Tomorrow.
If not cooldown then ZOs should not let use wings while carrying relic or ball.
#StopBeingUnfairEdited by Lord_Eomer on January 26, 2019 5:25AM1 -
vesselwiththepestle✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can counter wings. You know how?
1000+ CP
PC/EU Ravenwatch Daggerfall Covenant
Give me my wings back!4 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »A cooldown? Seriously?
People like OP have no idea what they're getting themselves into when they ask for a cooldown or a casttime on abilities that they don't like. I swear to god, if ZOS weren't smart enough to ignore dumb feedback like this (which I think they are), we'll have a combat system resembling a JRPG from the 90's in a couple years.
Exactly a cooldown, range magicka players spells are reflecting and feel fool casting snare, root. Almost every range spell reflecting.
No doubt DK wings need adjustment.
Ok, to be fair I think that it could DEflect instead of REflecting the skills. This suggestion has been put forward and is a possibility. Would even the odds against mag DKs and ranged mag NBs and mag sorcs.1 -
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✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »A cooldown? Seriously?
People like OP have no idea what they're getting themselves into when they ask for a cooldown or a casttime on abilities that they don't like. I swear to god, if ZOS weren't smart enough to ignore dumb feedback like this (which I think they are), we'll have a combat system resembling a JRPG from the 90's in a couple years.
Exactly a cooldown, range magicka players spells are reflecting and feel fool casting snare, root. Almost every range spell reflecting.
No doubt DK wings need adjustment.
Ok, to be fair I think that it could DEflect instead of REflecting the skills. This suggestion has been put forward and is a possibility. Would even the odds against mag DKs and ranged mag NBs and mag sorcs.
I am in in favor of class nerf but we all know Wings do their job best against range attacks in BG Capture the Flag games. Most of players get salty after seeing such threads.
Spell Reflection is very powerful skill and capture the flag games have objective to take ball/relic to destination point, if opponent players can not use Spells effectively to support then its unfair advantage.
Magicka builds have 70/80% attacking spells in Bars that reflect including light attacks!
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✭✭vesselwiththepestle wrote: »You can counter wings. You know how?
There are not enough counters or you have to be a melee build. Even staff light attack reflect.0 -
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✭I think the issue is there’s situations and play styles when wings can be very strong and others where it is very weak. Situation you gave in BGs when it has a lot of Magika enemies and there’s a frenzied attack to retrieve the relic or chaos all then agree it’s very strong otherwise however It’s duration already is low especially for its cost so unless really building to spam it they well run out of resources quite quick.
Yes eclipse has a cool down but it affects all direct damage attacks and heals the enemy too so that feels a bit more justified.
The issue for both skills in most scenarios is that they are only really effective against bad players so nerfing wings for a specific scenario like Bg games against magika makes it even worse in open world etc.2 -
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✭✭Doesn't DK already have a skill that has a CD? Interesting...wait, what class doesn't have a CD again?0 -
Lloydmp✭✭✭Lol, hard to take seriously when you say that wings are op when combined with another skill in this very specific scenario. You know what I don’t like? Cloak, HA, surprise attack, Incap, execute in the middle of a BG while I’m fighting someone else. Maybe we should nerf all those skills?
Your a ranged magick user? Use force pulse. Passes through wings applies a status effect and makes use of some lovely destro passives.
The healing in BG’s is what is really Toxic.1 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stop whining and just adapt.
When I was harassed by invisible nightblades I just put Inner Light on my back bar and suddenly glass cannon stamblades started dropping like flies.
When i had difficulty breaking through enemys defenses because he was a tank, I just stopped focusing him. I employed a strategy to kill of his friends first. Or I just completely ignored him and focused on an objective.
The same is for DK's that reflect my projectiles. They can's keep their uptimes at 100%. There is allways a window of opportunity.
We are lucky that this game offers so many different strategies to employ in combat.1 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not every skill needs to be nerfed to accommodate your build. My advice is not to stand 40 meters away while trying to snipe and draining shot relic carriersMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.15 -
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✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Not every skill needs to be nerfed to accommodate your build. My advice is not to stand 40 meters away while trying to snipe and draining shot relic carriers
There has to be a balance when it comes to Flag Games and DK Wings Spell reflection.
Oh you are class Representative and not understand issues, Its not my build or yours but Magicka Range spell reflection concerns,
I wish ZOS chooses Class Representative who understands players issues and explain proper ways rather then "Your build blah blah"
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Edited by Lord_Eomer on January 26, 2019 1:41PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Not every skill needs to be nerfed to accommodate your build. My advice is not to stand 40 meters away while trying to snipe and draining shot relic carriers
There has to be a balance when it comes to Flag Games and DK Wings Spell reflection.
Oh you are class Representative and not understand issues, Its not my build or yours but Magicka Range spell reflection concerns,
I wish ZOS chooses Class Representative who understands players issues and explain proper ways rather then "Your build blah blah"
@ZOS_GinaBruno
And you think that balance is having a class full of melee skills to have their ranged defense taken away? If we do what you ask and not allow them to have wings up then all the snipers and draining shot spammers will just stand 40 meters away and ping them with impunity.
BGs is a team endeavor, defensive skills like wings force groups to vary their composition to be versatile. By removing ranged counters, you're just encouraging moar snipes and sorcs spamming endless fury, removing the need for strong melee. Vary the group comp, get some melee in there and have the ranged players attack the non DKs to support their melee allies who are going after the relic carrier.
90% of my play time is as a magicka DD for the past 5 years and I never once asked on these forums to nerf DK wings, and I do not see a pressing need to do so in what is a team/group setting. I understand full well the mechanics.
I do understand players' issues: specifically those DK players you just want to flat nerf, strip of their class identity without even bothering to list a token compensation.Edited by Joy_Division on January 26, 2019 2:03PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.14 -
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✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Not every skill needs to be nerfed to accommodate your build. My advice is not to stand 40 meters away while trying to snipe and draining shot relic carriers
There has to be a balance when it comes to Flag Games and DK Wings Spell reflection.
Oh you are class Representative and not understand issues, Its not my build or yours but Magicka Range spell reflection concerns,
I wish ZOS chooses Class Representative who understands players issues and explain proper ways rather then "Your build blah blah"
@ZOS_GinaBruno
And you think that balance is having a class full of melee skills to have their ranged defense taken away? If we do what you ask and not allow them to have wings up then all the snipers and draining shot spammers will just stand 40 meters away and ping them with impunity.
BGs is a team endeavor, defensive skills like wings force groups to vary their composition to be versatile. By removing ranged counters, you're just encouraging moar snipes and sorcs spamming endless fury, removing the need for strong melee. Vary the group comp, get some melee in there and have the ranged players attack the non DKs to support their melee allies who are going after the relic carrier.
90% of my play time is as a magicka DD for the past 5 years and I never once asked on these forums to nerf DK wings, and I see zero need to do so in what is a team/group setting. I understand full well the mechanics.
I do understand players' issues: specifically those DK players you just want to flat nerf, strip of their class identity without even bothering to list a token compensation.
I really Not appreciate your response and the way of handling and replying to players.
Not interested any further to put opinion as Class Representative himself not understanding issue, my request does not mean to nerf skill but find optimum way so Flag games are not becoming DK pocket games and give equal chance/opportunity to other classes
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Matthros✭✭✭Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.1 -
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✭✭Another nerf DK wings post? Read the many other posts about how to counter wings and adapt.
Ok, please explain counter:
I am on Magicka Range NB, Sorcerer, Templar so what are counters while DK running with Relic or Chaos Ball?
My lighting attack, most of range skills (causing snares/stun etc.) are reflecting while DK spamming wings.
Please do not tell to slot Melee Skills or stop doing light attack.
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Not every skill needs to be nerfed to accommodate your build. My advice is not to stand 40 meters away while trying to snipe and draining shot relic carriers
There has to be a balance when it comes to Flag Games and DK Wings Spell reflection.
Oh you are class Representative and not understand issues, Its not my build or yours but Magicka Range spell reflection concerns,
I wish ZOS chooses Class Representative who understands players issues and explain proper ways rather then "Your build blah blah"
@ZOS_GinaBruno
And you think that balance is having a class full of melee skills to have their ranged defense taken away? If we do what you ask and not allow them to have wings up then all the snipers and draining shot spammers will just stand 40 meters away and ping them with impunity.
BGs is a team endeavor, defensive skills like wings force groups to vary their composition to be versatile. By removing ranged counters, you're just encouraging moar snipes and sorcs spamming endless fury, removing the need for strong melee. Vary the group comp, get some melee in there and have the ranged players attack the non DKs to support their melee allies who are going after the relic carrier.
90% of my play time is as a magicka DD for the past 5 years and I never once asked on these forums to nerf DK wings, and I see zero need to do so in what is a team/group setting. I understand full well the mechanics.
I do understand players' issues: specifically those DK players you just want to flat nerf, strip of their class identity without even bothering to list a token compensation.
I really Not appreciate your response and the way of handling and replying to players.
Not interested any further to put opinion as Class Representative himself not understanding issue, my request does not mean to nerf skill but find optimum way so Flag games are not becoming DK pocket games and give equal chance/opportunity to other classes
Since when are class-reps not allowed to have opinions about balance?? They're players as well and don't need to be impartial about everything8
