Imperial edition refund

Mattock_Romulus · January 2019

Holycannoli wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

They didn't give a refund (when they should have) when they destroyed the ability to transmute items into Imperial style. They won't refund for this, which is far lesser of a change.

Wait what?? I can't convert to imperial style anymore? That's one big reason why I bought Imperial Edition. I just crafted a set of gear for my imperial main too without a care for the style since I was going to convert it to imperial. Wtf.

1. They took away the ability to convert items to
Imperial style when the outfit system came
out.
2. White horses are available in varying forms
to everyone.
3. Imperial only housing no longer requires the
Imperial edition.
4. Imperials have had whatever stat they
are stacking nerfed. Ie, health nerfed on
tanks but stamina buffed. Stamina nerfed
on DD's but health buffed.
5. Red Diamond is still boring and is a non-
factor in gameplay unless you count volatile
armor looping bugs as a feature.
6. Imperials are still not good magic users.
7. Imperials are bottom tier dps.
8. Imperials are okish tanks.

EvilAutoTech · January 2019

karekiz wrote: »

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

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I don't want to argue with you. My Imperials take a health nerf as well. I will still play them.

Awesome way to dodge the question

What question am I dodging?

Pevey · January 2019

I agree with OP. Imperial will be a crap race choice for any role after the changes. I would never have bought the pack for a bottom tier race. Bait and switch.

karekiz · January 2019

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

What question am I dodging?

What exactly is imperial for? It definitely isn't a targeted tank as other races just do it better with little in differences.

2K hp / stam - the heal isn't exactly that great in PvE tanking wise and the 5% reduction in block? Really?

Is it DPS? No other races do it better and are obviously targeted for it <AKA the weapon dmg / crit / sustain passives>

Is it heal? Well obviously not as they have nothing that really benefits healing in any way.

So as a tank looking at imperial I see:
2K hp
2K stam
<Insert dead passive here>

Why wouldn't I swap to a breton or nord? There is basically 0 play style to imperials. It used to be massive stats far above the other races. Now? Nord difference is 1K hp / 500 stam. Nords however gain nearly 4K more resists - and can regen ult faster.

Bretons are masters of sustain which in turn allows for more casting, which means more abilties to aid team mates and assist in converting stats.

***I am only looking at it from PvE side, not PvP***

Essentially Imperials NEED an identity of some kind. Red diamond is basically such a crap shoot they added 5% block cost, but due to CP / sturdy traits its essentially nothing. Were a race with 2 passives and some flavor text. Its not like were asking to be the best, but we should be good at something.

Chicharron · January 2019

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

If you are going to remove something we paid real money for, give us a refund.

I want my money back and a race change.

Are they going to remove the imperial race from the game?

Siohwenoeht · January 2019

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

They didn't give a refund (when they should have) when they destroyed the ability to transmute items into Imperial style. They won't refund for this, which is far lesser of a change.

Wait what?? I can't convert to imperial style anymore? That's one big reason why I bought Imperial Edition. I just crafted a set of gear for my imperial main too without a care for the style since I was going to convert it to imperial. Wtf.

1. They took away the ability to convert items to
Imperial style when the outfit system came
out.

This is not quite true. Individual Imperial characters can convert to imperial style at the outfit station for no cost. Did it just yesterday.

EvilAutoTech · January 2019

karekiz wrote: »

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

What question am I dodging?

What exactly is imperial for? It definitely isn't a targeted tank as other races just do it better with little in differences.

2K hp / stam - the heal isn't exactly that great in PvE tanking wise and the 5% reduction in block? Really?

Is it DPS? No other races do it better and are obviously targeted for it <AKA the weapon dmg / crit / sustain passives>

Is it heal? Well obviously not as they have nothing that really benefits healing in any way.

So as a tank looking at imperial I see:
2K hp
2K stam
<Insert dead passive here>

Why wouldn't I swap to a breton or nord? There is basically 0 play style to imperials. It used to be massive stats far above the other races. Now? Nord difference is 1K hp / 500 stam. Nords however gain nearly 4K more resists - and can regen ult faster.

Bretons are masters of sustain which in turn allows for more casting, which means more abilties to aid team mates and assist in converting stats.

***I am only looking at it from PvE side, not PvP***

Essentially Imperials NEED an identity of some kind. Red diamond is basically such a crap shoot they added 5% block cost, but due to CP / sturdy traits its essentially nothing. Were a race with 2 passives and some flavor text. Its not like were asking to be the best, but we should be good at something.

I don't disagree that imperials are getting the short end of the stick. I think I have said that in every post. I asked a question, you replied to me with 2 questions.

Why not choose a Breton or some other race?

You're right. Even a Breton will make a better tank if these changes go live.

How is that balanced?

Imperial won't be balanced with the other races if these changes go live.

Now you're asking what is Imperial for?

I don't know, RP?

I did eventually get an answer to my question from someone else (thanks @Girl_Number8, you're awesome).

I never advocated for or endorsed these changes and I believe that Imperial took the biggest hit. I don't see these changes as having the stated effect of more diversity, but as you have said, they still might tweak the changes before they go live.

AzraelKrieg · January 2019

generalmyrick · January 2019

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

If you are going to remove something we paid real money for, give us a refund.

I want my money back and a race change.

2 race tokens please!

yodased · January 2019

karekiz wrote: »

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

I don't have an Imperial tank. This is an honest question. Do Imperial tanks really need over 60k health? All classes? If so, they were terrible anyway.

So tell me why choose an imperial tank PTS vs lets say a Breton in PTS?

Right now Imperials are:
Bad at DPS
Bad at healing
Bad at tanking

How is that balanced?

1% more gold. Step off bro

shaielzafine · January 2019

karekiz wrote: »

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

I don't have an Imperial tank. This is an honest question. Do Imperial tanks really need over 60k health? All classes? If so, they were terrible anyway.

So tell me why choose an imperial tank PTS vs lets say a Breton in PTS?

Right now Imperials are:
Bad at DPS
Bad at healing
Bad at tanking

How is that balanced?

It's not balanced. People say DPS classes all parse the same now but in reality they won't parse the same (example: Breton stamina DPS vs redguard), there's other roles than DPS such as healing and tanking in this game (where sustain matters), and it's going to be really not balanced for PvP. Khajiit got buffed overall though, just in time for the new expansion.

Flipityflu · January 2019

i bought Defenders of the Crown for the Amiga in 1990 but I don't have an Amiga anymore.I want a refund.

Mattock_Romulus · January 2019

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

They didn't give a refund (when they should have) when they destroyed the ability to transmute items into Imperial style. They won't refund for this, which is far lesser of a change.

Wait what?? I can't convert to imperial style anymore? That's one big reason why I bought Imperial Edition. I just crafted a set of gear for my imperial main too without a care for the style since I was going to convert it to imperial. Wtf.

1. They took away the ability to convert items to
Imperial style when the outfit system came
out.

This is not quite true. Individual Imperial characters can convert to imperial style at the outfit station for no cost. Did it just yesterday.

Oh right. All I have to do is cough up 1500 crowns for another outfit slot and I can convert to imperial style at no cost. ok.

Seraphayel · January 2019

Asking for a refund 5 years later. These threads are becoming more and more absurd.

Dear Wildstar, can I please get a refund of your game because it isn't even existing anymore?

Siohwenoeht · January 2019

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

They didn't give a refund (when they should have) when they destroyed the ability to transmute items into Imperial style. They won't refund for this, which is far lesser of a change.

Wait what?? I can't convert to imperial style anymore? That's one big reason why I bought Imperial Edition. I just crafted a set of gear for my imperial main too without a care for the style since I was going to convert it to imperial. Wtf.

1. They took away the ability to convert items to
Imperial style when the outfit system came
out.

This is not quite true. Individual Imperial characters can convert to imperial style at the outfit station for no cost. Did it just yesterday.

Oh right. All I have to do is cough up 1500 crowns for another outfit slot and I can convert to imperial style at no cost. ok.

Much cheaper to change your style in the one slot back and forth for gold. Gold is easy to make

Flipityflu · January 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

Asking for a refund 5 years later. These threads are becoming more and more absurd.

Dear Wildstar, can I please get a refund of your game because it isn't even existing anymore?

not before i get my Defenders of the Crown refund first.

entitlement gone mad. all you can do is laugh at these people for publicly embarrassing themselves. a bunch of Jon Snow's.

ZonasArch · January 2019

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

If you are going to remove something we paid real money for, give us a refund.

I want my money back and a race change.

If you read the contracts, you'll see that you're not even the owner of your own copy of the game... You're not entitled to any sort of money back. Just saying.

ZarkingFrued · January 2019

The terms that you agreed to state that ZOS can add remove or change anything in the game as well as shut off the servers at any time, even items that cost cash.

Stratloc · January 2019

Following this logic you should be able to get a full refund for the base game every time they make a change to it. So yeah.

CleymenZero · January 2019

DKMaestro wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

If you are going to remove something we paid real money for, give us a refund.

I want my money back and a race change.

Ehhh.. What did you lose exactly? Your white horse? The ability to transmute into Imperial style? Oh, I know. Your racial bonus will change. Poor you. I bet that when the new update goes live, someone comes up with an OP build tailored to Imperial. As they always do.

God the whining is real for MINISCULE changes. But yes, I forgot you are one of the min/maxers who regularly pull 50K+ DPS. You may only be able to pull 48.5K now, and it will surely ruin your life.

Not to worry, ZOS will DEFINITELY refund your money!

Not saying I'm agreeing with him but I do regularly parse 50k+ on some classes (stamden and stamblade) and around 46-49k on most other classes on the dummy. I do have 60-70k+ single targets parses on trial bosses. I do have 14 toons and chose the races based on passives.

I do like the changes very much but seeing the new passives, I would have made different choices based on my preferred play-style. Based on these changes, I would definitely have made a different choice for 6 to 7 characters. I think there needs to be some sort of compensation to make it fair.

Changes to sustain with homestead, to weapon traits (dual wield Nirn+infused, went to double infused and soon will go to Nirn+infused/precise), new sets needed to be farmed when jewelry transmute was introduced and more have never required you to pay real world money to adapt. Now, to adapt to the meta, you need to pay and that's what upsets me.

commdt · January 2019

1 free token +1 per each imperial toon on one's account

ZonasArch · January 2019

CleymenZero wrote: »

DKMaestro wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

If you are going to remove something we paid real money for, give us a refund.

I want my money back and a race change.

Ehhh.. What did you lose exactly? Your white horse? The ability to transmute into Imperial style? Oh, I know. Your racial bonus will change. Poor you. I bet that when the new update goes live, someone comes up with an OP build tailored to Imperial. As they always do.

God the whining is real for MINISCULE changes. But yes, I forgot you are one of the min/maxers who regularly pull 50K+ DPS. You may only be able to pull 48.5K now, and it will surely ruin your life.

Not to worry, ZOS will DEFINITELY refund your money!

Not saying I'm agreeing with him but I do regularly parse 50k+ on some classes (stamden and stamblade) and around 46-49k on most other classes on the dummy. I do have 60-70k+ single targets parses on trial bosses. I do have 14 toons and chose the races based on passives.

I do like the changes very much but seeing the new passives, I would have made different choices based on my preferred play-style. Based on these changes, I would definitely have made a different choice for 6 to 7 characters. I think there needs to be some sort of compensation to make it fair.

Changes to sustain with homestead, to weapon traits (dual wield Nirn+infused, went to double infused and soon will go to Nirn+infused/precise), new sets needed to be farmed when jewelry transmute was introduced and more have never required you to pay real world money to adapt. Now, to adapt to the meta, you need to pay and that's what upsets me.

Roll a new baby toon. Free. Or "free", as it does take time. Paying is optional. You're 100% choosing to pay. Keyword is "choosing" here.

Seraphayel · January 2019

CleymenZero wrote: »

I do like the changes very much but seeing the new passives, I would have made different choices based on my preferred play-style. Based on these changes, I would definitely have made a different choice for 6 to 7 characters. I think there needs to be some sort of compensation to make it fair.

I'm interested, please tell me which characters you have to race change now / would make a different choice now - and why.

SanSan · January 2019

Are people really asking this and demanding this?....

Knootewoot · January 2019

You want a refund of something that released 5 years ago and changed?

Have you read the Terms of service? You don't own anything you think you bought in this game. You just rent it. And by clicking accept you agreed to:

By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account.

And Zeni has the right to change anything they want. Since the imperial character is downloadable content it falls under paid services:

ZeniMax may patch, update, or modify a Service at any time with or without notice to You. Notwithstanding the foregoing, ZeniMax has no obligation to make available any patches, updates or modifications or correct any errors or defects in the Services. ZeniMax makes no guarantees about the persistence or availability of any user names or other personas at any time and assumes no liability for lost or deleted Account data. Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), You agree that ZeniMax will not be liable for any interruption of the Services, delay or failure to perform, any loss of Content (including, but not limited to, UGC, Game Mods and Downloadable Content), and/or Account data (including, but not limited to, Character data) resulting from any causes whatsoever. ZeniMax reserves the right to offer new Services, change and/or discontinue certain Services at any time in its sole discretion.

I wish you could get refunds of changed content or dead games. I would have gotten my money back of
- all changed in SWG (pre-cu vs NGE)
- The game since it's no longer available
- Vanguard idem, tabula rasa and oh my so many mmo's ceased to exist in my lifetime.

MartiniDaniels · January 2019

ZOS! There is nothing to argue about, just buff imperials, there are ton of easy ways to do this. Buff HP to 3k, then imperials will be a race which dps wise can select any food without consequences.

Androconium · January 2019

I paid cash for this upgrade.

I want my money back.

Tandor · January 2019

Is there some sort of real-life place people go to where they can grind Entitlement? I only ask because there seem to be a lot of people these days who have Mastered it.

Oberstein · January 2019

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

If you are going to remove something we paid real money for, give us a refund.

I want my money back and a race change.

Yes, that's true.

RedTalon · January 2019

The gear I user for my imperial build matters more, the race stuff helps but not overly much.,

Has someone who has been around since beta, no need to refund, people will adapt ESO

Thank you for the race changes, and this is more balanced thhe4n the last tiume. n