Ice Conjuror's Set Balance Discussion/Tooltip Bragging Competition

Glory · January 2019

Please post any tooltip or thoughts you have regarding this set in a non-toxic way.

Here's mine:

72 in Thaumaturge
75 in Elemental Expert
Warden Passives
Gear is gold
No other buffs

I get that this set is effectively DPS over 16 seconds (1892 per second/16 seconds in my tooltip), but it also is condensed damage to 4 seconds (7568/second over 4 seconds).

It also has a wildly simple proc mechanic (which I'm ok with), and it is dodgeable/purgeable/NONreflectable. The Ice Wraith is slow moving, but if you're on top of your target they have basically 0 time to avoid it.

In my opinion, if this set is pushed to live it will become the next Sload's (but worse), and needs heavy adjustments. I would recommend that its damage get distributed over a much longer duration.

Ocelot9x · January 2019

They just make the same errors over and over

ccmedaddy · January 2019

... yikes.

validifyedneb18_ESO · January 2019

the "oof" button.

ScruffyWhiskers · January 2019

Hey look over there! It's that set that purges.

Vapirko · January 2019

Good joke ZOS. They really do keep making the same boneheaded moves with sets every patch. New Mag warden build = this set plus curse eater. Cannot be CC'd, snared, or have any negative effect applied for more than two seconds, and then launches this while you're snared with permafrost, and its triggered passively by Thorvokuns which also grants minor defile so you can't heal GG. You can also proc this with a few different poisons to increase its proc chance. Or just from a shock staffs minor vulnerability which wardens LOVE to use. Or Ele drain which would also be devastating.

Valykc · January 2019

You know it’s busted when it does more damage than an ultimate

_Ahala_ · January 2019

...

Xsorus · January 2019

Go try it in pvp and post your damage numbers

Tatertodd · January 2019

When I tried this set out today I said to myself...yeah this set is going to be nerfed lmao! Even so, please ZOS don't balance it down into complete obscurity. Mag Ice Wardens need this tasty ice damage set since it gives us more options than only Ysgramor, Ice Furnace and Winterborn.

teladoy · January 2019

I can't find any video of this set in action... 😭

Anhedonie · January 2019

1. PVP damage will be very different.
2. Air conitioner is sexist.

Tatertodd · January 2019

teladoy wrote: »

I can't find any video of this set in action... 😭

From the description you would think it would operate like an Ice Version of Flame Blossom or like Verminous Fabricant (AKA Mad Tinkerer) but it doesn't it's more like a single target version of Sloads. You just see the Ice Wraith materialize right in front of the enemy's face and then it jumps into the enemy's body like Casper....except a FAR more Angry and Icy version of Casper.

Feanor · January 2019

I would assume the animation is just like NPC Ice Wraiths. You can find these regularly in Eastmarch.

The proc condition is weird but, as @Vapirko said, relatively easy to achieve, and you have full control over the proc in case you use Elemental Drain (the funny thing is that Minor Magickasteal of all things procs it there).

I just don’t get why ZOS always releases more damage proc sets only to nerf them 3 months later because they’re so ridiculous.

fullheartcontainer · January 2019

This set is absolutely terribly designed. Many magicka builds run eli drain as a staple to get increased penetration. With this set, that's basically 8k free damage each second for 4 seconds just because you put major breach on a target which you were already doing. It's absolutely ridiculous. There's no skill, no drawbacks, it's WAY too much damage, it's not even a percent chance of happening, it just happens.

Feanor · January 2019

@fullheartcontainer

It’s not major breach. It’s minor magickasteal.

fullheartcontainer · January 2019

@Feanor it's both https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elemental+Drain

Feanor · January 2019

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

@Feanor it's both https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elemental+Drain

I know. But the proc condition is a minor debuff, and thus not Major Breach. Your argument is sound though. It’s basically free damage for doing something you were doing anyway.

ak_pvp · January 2019

Why is it non reflectable. I *** bet it'd cloakable, dodgable, and the damage is purgable. But nope dks ignored.

Whack.

Tryxus · January 2019

Does Chilled count as well, or does it have to be Minor Maim specifically?

Skander · January 2019

Glory wrote: »

Please post any tooltip or thoughts you have regarding this set in a non-toxic way.

Here's mine:
72 in Thaumaturge

75 in Elemental Expert

Warden Passives

Gear is gold

No other buffs

I get that this set is effectively DPS over 16 seconds (1892 per second/16 seconds in my tooltip), but it also is condensed damage to 4 seconds (7568/second over 4 seconds).

It also has a wildly simple proc mechanic (which I'm ok with), and it is dodgeable/purgeable/NONreflectable. The Ice Wraith is slow moving, but if you're on top of your target they have basically 0 time to avoid it.

In my opinion, if this set is pushed to live it will become the next Sload's (but worse), and needs heavy adjustments. I would recommend that its damage get distributed over a much longer duration.

Every tick of this is comparable of the old viper. This is bad, this is very bad

olsborg · January 2019

Ocelot9x wrote: »

They just make the same errors over and over

Exactly, atleast the majority of the pvp community dislikes proccsets greatly.

SaintSubwayy · January 2019

olsborg wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

They just make the same errors over and over

Exactly, atleast the majority of the pvp community dislikes proccsets greatly.

and in PVE they got nerfed to be mostly useless due to the Change that they cannot krit anymore ^^
exceptions are ther eofc, like relequne, but noone runs that in cyro anyways o jeah)

no reason to add more of that stuff at all, just rework all those sets, and lets monstersets krit again

Derra · January 2019

Skander wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

Please post any tooltip or thoughts you have regarding this set in a non-toxic way.

Here's mine:
72 in Thaumaturge

75 in Elemental Expert

Warden Passives

Gear is gold

No other buffs

I get that this set is effectively DPS over 16 seconds (1892 per second/16 seconds in my tooltip), but it also is condensed damage to 4 seconds (7568/second over 4 seconds).

It also has a wildly simple proc mechanic (which I'm ok with), and it is dodgeable/purgeable/NONreflectable. The Ice Wraith is slow moving, but if you're on top of your target they have basically 0 time to avoid it.

In my opinion, if this set is pushed to live it will become the next Sload's (but worse), and needs heavy adjustments. I would recommend that its damage get distributed over a much longer duration.

Every tick of this is comparable of the old viper. This is bad, this is very bad

Lets be realistic - the sets only problem is the short time over which the dmg gets applied.

Over 12s - the cooldown of this set - viper has a tooltip of 27840 dmg - figuring in that there is no 6% increase from racial/class passives available for viper, Icy conjurers dmg is perfectly in line with viper how it is on the live server.

Increase the dot lengh to 8 or 10s and it´s basically a worse version of viper because it´s telegraphed dodgeable - but ranged.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

Its got a 12 second cooldown. The Wraith is slow and dodgeable. The dot is powerful but purgeable. It's not the new sloads. Because sloads ignores resistance. And lasts for longer. This DoT is powerful but it doesn't ignore resistances. I think the problem is that it is too easy to proc. If it relied on only chilled to proc it. It makes chilled more useful than it currently is. However if they put the DoT over 10 seconds or so i would say It'd be pretty good.

Skander · January 2019

Derra wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

Please post any tooltip or thoughts you have regarding this set in a non-toxic way.

Here's mine:
72 in Thaumaturge

75 in Elemental Expert

Warden Passives

Gear is gold

No other buffs

I get that this set is effectively DPS over 16 seconds (1892 per second/16 seconds in my tooltip), but it also is condensed damage to 4 seconds (7568/second over 4 seconds).

It also has a wildly simple proc mechanic (which I'm ok with), and it is dodgeable/purgeable/NONreflectable. The Ice Wraith is slow moving, but if you're on top of your target they have basically 0 time to avoid it.

In my opinion, if this set is pushed to live it will become the next Sload's (but worse), and needs heavy adjustments. I would recommend that its damage get distributed over a much longer duration.

Every tick of this is comparable of the old viper. This is bad, this is very bad

Lets be realistic - the sets only problem is the short time over which the dmg gets applied.

Over 12s - the cooldown of this set - viper has a tooltip of 27840 dmg - figuring in that there is no 6% increase from racial/class passives available for viper, Icy conjurers dmg is perfectly in line with viper how it is on the live server.

Increase the dot lengh to 8 or 10s and it´s basically a worse version of viper because it´s telegraphed dodgeable - but ranged.

It's to be said that viper has useless set pieces.

This one has half spinner's pen.

ezio45 · January 2019

i mean its a little high but doesnt red tree and resist effect this too?

it it was 7k oblivion damage ya id freak out but damage mit has to effect that alot

op, go test it and see what its hitting for?

Ragnaroek93 · January 2019

The combat system is great, I really love how we reach a meta in which procs/bleeds/pets start dealing passively more damage than the player itself

Joy_Division · January 2019

Don't understand ZOS's fascination with proc sets like this.

Transairion · January 2019

Aren't sets like Flame Blossom and Mad Tinkerer similar but kind of worthless to run due to being slow and inaccurate? Not sure I've ever seen Flame Blossom used by anyone, and Mad Tinkerer is only used in PvP for abusing CC on other players.

Ice Conjuror has non-reflectable going for it I suppose, but a giant tooltip is kinda meaningless when it misses an immobile target. Yes the above sets are that inaccurate due to how that spawn in and fire off.

I'm glad there is more Frost DPS options at least, but it really hurts me to have a set called Icy Conjuror and NOT have it be the magicka equivalent to Morkuldin:

(5 items) When you deal damage with a Light or Heavy attack, you have a 10% chance to summon an animated weapon to attack your enemies for 15 seconds. The animated weapon's basic attack deals 4551 Physical Damage

We're still don't have a 5pc Magicka pet/summon by the way ZOS, it's been years now. This could've been the one, just had to the Wraith pet deal Frost damage and have a %chance to apply Chilled.

Ocelot9x · January 2019

I saw a video on discord of this set working. At base tooltip (magdk) it was hitting for 2,5k per second,it would be fun to see how much a 36k tooltip is ticking for.
This patch we got some really awful proc set (the other one provides a really big uptime on minor vulnerability + damage) I don’t know maybe it’s the last gift from wrobel or maybe the new guys are trying hard to appeal the new players (race change diminished the returns of building correctly, infinite stats monster sets and proc sets)