Why doesn't Templar have a Major Sorcery skill?

Greg11jkalfa · January 2019

I was a bit confused when I looked through the Templar skills, and didn't find a single ability that grants Major Sorcery. Much to my surprise, every other class has an ability that gives the buff. Dragon Knights have Molten Weapons, Nightblades have Sap Essence, Sorcerers have Power Surge, and Wardens have Betty Netch. I'd be surprised if the Necromancer doesn't have access to it once it arrives, so why is it that Templars were left out? Sure there are other ways to obtain the buff, e.g. Entropy from the Mage's Guild skill line, but then you're using a non class skill. To be clear I do know that there's a passive which grants Minor Sorcery after using a Dawn's Wrath ability, but it could easily be changed to grant Major instead, that way all classes have built in version of the buff. It's not really a big deal, and it's not killing me to have it only give Minor Sorcery instead, but in the spirit of fairness, I think it would be a nice change.

susmitds · January 2019

I don't think you realize this, but Minor Sorcery is far rarer than Major Sorcery.

All classes lack something. This is onething Templars lack.

ccmedaddy · January 2019

I agree. ZOS could easily just choose a random Templar skill out of a hat and add Major Sorcery to it and everything would be fine. Literally zero difference in terms of class balance.

But according to the forums this kind of arbitrary discrepancy between classes is what promotes ~diversity~ and prevents homogenization among classes so idk. 🤷‍♂️

XxCaLxX · January 2019

spirit of fairness? ok. I want my stamsorc to have a class skill that gives major fracture.

Finviuswe · January 2019

Goodquestion.

Greg11jkalfa · January 2019

XxCaLxX wrote: »

spirit of fairness? ok. I want my stamsorc to have a class skill that gives major fracture.

@XxCaLxX Templar also doesn't have it, but sure.

MartiniDaniels · January 2019

If you don't wanna get Major Sorcery from potions, try entropy, really nice skill from mages guild. When maxed out give you empower, very cheap and also heals you! I use it everywhere with exception of vet trials

AcadianPaladin · January 2019

My healplar quite likes spell damage since it boosts her heals and damage both. Currently using spell power potions. Have toyed with Entropy but refuse to drop any of my slotted skills for it. Toying with Rattlecage - have jewelryx2, cuirass, lightning staff but need a resto staff. Pretty precise requirements to use Rattlecage (heavy armor) while only running 1 piece of heavy armor for the undaunted 5/1/1.

Magplar has a fair set of strengths. That is balanced I guess by a few shortcomings (lack of: mobility, CC, major sorcery).

Greg11jkalfa · January 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

If you don't wanna get Major Sorcery from potions, try entropy, really nice skill from mages guild. When maxed out give you empower, very cheap and also heals you! I use it everywhere with exception of vet trials

@MartiniDaniels It's not a bad spell, but it's outside of the class skills. I would just like them to either buff the Dawn's Wrath passive, or add it to an ability such as Backlash or Radiant Destruction. As I said it's not a big deal there's not an in class option, nor is it a big deal that I'll have to use Entropy instead, I just thought it was odd how every other class has access to it.

MartiniDaniels · January 2019

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

If you don't wanna get Major Sorcery from potions, try entropy, really nice skill from mages guild. When maxed out give you empower, very cheap and also heals you! I use it everywhere with exception of vet trials

@MartiniDaniels It's not a bad spell, but it's outside of the class skills. I would just like them to either buff the Dawn's Wrath passive, or add it to an ability such as Backlash or Radiant Destruction. As I said it's not a big deal there's not an in class option, nor is it a big deal that I'll have to use Entropy instead, I just thought it was odd how every other class has access to it.

Well, templar have so many other buffs and debuffs which other classes don't have at all..

Eiagra · January 2019

I just wear Rattlecage. I'm too lazy to use an ability to keep it up, and too cheap to chug potions all the time.

Greg11jkalfa · January 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

If you don't wanna get Major Sorcery from potions, try entropy, really nice skill from mages guild. When maxed out give you empower, very cheap and also heals you! I use it everywhere with exception of vet trials

@MartiniDaniels It's not a bad spell, but it's outside of the class skills. I would just like them to either buff the Dawn's Wrath passive, or add it to an ability such as Backlash or Radiant Destruction. As I said it's not a big deal there's not an in class option, nor is it a big deal that I'll have to use Entropy instead, I just thought it was odd how every other class has access to it.

Well, templar have so many other buffs and debuffs which other classes don't have at all..

@MartiniDaniels I'm not well versed in all the buffs, can you give me some examples? (And if you mean Minor as well as Major Protection, fair enough, but Templar is very much heal/tank oriented to begin with.)

HowlKimchi · January 2019

imo major sorcery and major brutality should just be removed from the game. They are mandatory buffs and part of the reason why 2h will always be so popular in pvp. I believe that If they just removed the buff, build diversity would increase, and we'd be able to fit in more skills to our bars

Yamenstein · January 2019

Each class should just have each major and minor buff. Actually just make one skill give all of that. Done.
/Sarcasm

OtarTheMad · January 2019

I am not sure why they don't have it but I blame Sorcs.

Sharee · January 2019

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

If you don't wanna get Major Sorcery from potions, try entropy, really nice skill from mages guild. When maxed out give you empower, very cheap and also heals you! I use it everywhere with exception of vet trials

@MartiniDaniels It's not a bad spell, but it's outside of the class skills. I would just like them to either buff the Dawn's Wrath passive, or add it to an ability such as Backlash or Radiant Destruction. As I said it's not a big deal there's not an in class option, nor is it a big deal that I'll have to use Entropy instead, I just thought it was odd how every other class has access to it.

Well, templar have so many other buffs and debuffs which other classes don't have at all..

@MartiniDaniels I'm not well versed in all the buffs, can you give me some examples? (And if you mean Minor as well as Major Protection, fair enough, but Templar is very much heal/tank oriented to begin with.)

Purge would probably be the most obvious example. As far as i know, the only other class with a built-in purge is warden (and that one only cleanses 1 effect per GCD)

Beardimus · January 2019

susmitds wrote: »

I don't think you realize this, but Minor Sorcery is far rarer than Major Sorcery.

All classes lack something. This is onething Templars lack.

This is the point OP

If you filled all the gaps all the classes would be the same. You have Entropy, Potions and RattleCage as options. And minor sorcery is needed where else would groups get that?

Look more holostically friend

Vildebill · January 2019

Does it really matter though? If you really care to minmax/doing content that "matters" you chug potions anyway, and if you don't, just slot entropy. It's not like there's a huge difference on using entropy than a class skill like molten weapons/netch/surge (not counting in/comparing the extra effect).

You can even go the somewhat popular rattlecage way, then you don't have to think about the buff at all. There's unique jewelry with arcane traits as well if you don't want/can't afford to transmute. Then you don't have to wear more than two pieces of heavy, or actually zero pieces of heavy of you have the patience to farm weapons.

Greg11jkalfa · January 2019

I tried to be clear that

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

It's not really a big deal, and it's not killing me to have it only give Minor Sorcery

Either way, I was only raising the question of why Templar is the only class to not have it built in. To be clear again it doesn't matter to me that I have to use other sources to get the buff. I was just pointing it out is all.

Greg11jkalfa · January 2019

@Sharee Purge is a Support skill that not only removes 2 negative effects, but also reduces the remainder of other negative effects by 50%.

Beardimus · January 2019

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

I tried to be clear that

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

It's not really a big deal, and it's not killing me to have it only give Minor Sorcery

Either way, I was only raising the question of why Templar is the only class to not have it built in. To be clear again it doesn't matter to me that I have to use other sources to get the buff. I was just pointing it out is all.

Not saying its a big deal, everyone's just explaining that each class is missing things. That's the balance.

Where would a group get minor sorcery in your change?
Sorc has hardly any group support (MinProh/LL)- should it get more to balance? Etc etc

You are right Templar has no MajSorc but it has multiple other things.

Alucu · January 2019

Solar barrage/Dark flare giving major sorcery instead of infinite stacks of empower looks a more balanced deal to me

Greg11jkalfa · January 2019

Beardimus wrote: »

it has multiple other things.

It indeed has other things. Though, the ONLY reason I bring up this specific buff is because as I said, all other classes have it. Does that mean it needs to be changed? No, I've said this already. Yeah, sure, Templar has Cleansing Ritual, and that's fantastic. But a nearly identical skill exists in the Support line. Minor and Major Protection both are not only built into the Warden and Nightblade, but are also accessible through other skill lines. I understand not every class should have every buff, that's not what I want, nor did I come remotely close to saying that. But again my reason for pointing it out, is that even a DLC class has built in access, so it seemed odd that the Templar didn't as well. (Which I can't wait for Necro to come out, seeing how if it doesn't have the buff built in, I'm sure someone will look at my argument here and try to rub it in.)

ElliottXO · January 2019

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

it has multiple other things.

It indeed has other things. Though, the ONLY reason I bring up this specific buff is because as I said, all other classes have it. Does that mean it needs to be changed? No, I've said this already. Yeah, sure, Templar has Cleansing Ritual, and that's fantastic. But a nearly identical skill exists in the Support line. Minor and Major Protection both are not only built into the DK and NB, but are also accessible through other skill lines. I understand not every class should have every buff, that's not what I want, nor did I come remotely close to saying that. But again my reason for pointing it out, is that even a DLC class has built in access, so it seemed odd that the Templar didn't as well. (Which I can't wait for Necro to come out, seeing how if it doesn't have the buff built in, I'm sure someone will look at my argument here and try to rub it in.)

Can't remember that DK has minor protection built in. Which skill are you referring to?

brandonv516 · January 2019

They also don't have a source of Major Expedition.

Koolio · January 2019

Alucu wrote: »

Solar barrage/Dark flare giving major sorcery instead of infinite stacks of empower looks a more balanced deal to me

This would drastically change my setup for the better.

Zardayne · January 2019

At least the templar is a passive which I feel is a plus. I play a magden and I feel half my gameplay is buffing. I miss the old MMOs where your buffs stayed on once casted unless they were stripped off.

XxCaLxX · January 2019

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

spirit of fairness? ok. I want my stamsorc to have a class skill that gives major fracture.

@XxCaLxX Templar also doesn't have it, but sure.

True. They do have a source of Minor Fracture though which is a rarity.

Greg11jkalfa · January 2019

ElliottXO wrote: »

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

it has multiple other things.

It indeed has other things. Though, the ONLY reason I bring up this specific buff is because as I said, all other classes have it. Does that mean it needs to be changed? No, I've said this already. Yeah, sure, Templar has Cleansing Ritual, and that's fantastic. But a nearly identical skill exists in the Support line. Minor and Major Protection both are not only built into the DK and NB, but are also accessible through other skill lines. I understand not every class should have every buff, that's not what I want, nor did I come remotely close to saying that. But again my reason for pointing it out, is that even a DLC class has built in access, so it seemed odd that the Templar didn't as well. (Which I can't wait for Necro to come out, seeing how if it doesn't have the buff built in, I'm sure someone will look at my argument here and try to rub it in.)

Can't remember that DK has minor protection built in. Which skill are you referring to?

@ElliottXO I meant Nightblade and Warden, my bad.

DocFrost72 · January 2019

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

spirit of fairness? ok. I want my stamsorc to have a class skill that gives major fracture.

@XxCaLxX Templar also doesn't have it, but sure.

True. They do have a source of Minor Fracture though which is a rarity.

Every stamina player in the game has access to minor fracture. It is minor breech that is (to my knowledge) entirely unique to templar.

The answer to your question is that every class misses something. I'd argue templar is missing more than other classes, but I'd just get shouted down.

Greg11jkalfa · January 2019

DocFrost72 wrote: »

It is minor breech that is (to my knowledge) entirely unique to templar.

Correct, however a partial solution can be found in poisons if I'm not mistaken.