Why doesn't Templar have a Major Sorcery skill?

XxCaLxX

DocFrost72 wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

spirit of fairness? ok. I want my stamsorc to have a class skill that gives major fracture.

@XxCaLxX Templar also doesn't have it, but sure.

True. They do have a source of Minor Fracture though which is a rarity.

Every stamina player in the game has access to minor fracture. It is minor breech that is (to my knowledge) entirely unique to templar.

The answer to your question is that every class misses something. I'd argue templar is missing more than other classes, but I'd just get shouted down.

? all stam players do have acces to minor fracture yes. all mag players have access to major sorcery as well. the argument was brought up about class skills that gave these buffs. Im not arguing that templars have more than others either. I think all classes have something that others dont but I do agree that templars do lack. Templar can get minor breech or minor fracture though.

Sevn

All you will hear here is if templars had this ONE skill that every other class has built in their class skills every class would be the same. Probably from all non templars at that, though of course to support their stance they all will claim to main a templar.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

@Greg11jkalfa same reason why nightblades dont have major force skills.

Greg11jkalfa

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@Greg11jkalfa same reason why nightblades dont have major force skills.

@xenowarrior92eb17_ESO No class has Major Force skills...

Jamdarius

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

I was a bit confused when I looked through the Templar skills, and didn't find a single ability that grants Major Sorcery. Much to my surprise, every other class has an ability that gives the buff. Dragon Knights have Molten Weapons, Nightblades have Sap Essence, Sorcerers have Power Surge, and Wardens have Betty Netch. I'd be surprised if the Necromancer doesn't have access to it once it arrives, so why is it that Templars were left out? Sure there are other ways to obtain the buff, e.g. Entropy from the Mage's Guild skill line, but then you're using a non class skill. To be clear I do know that there's a passive which grants Minor Sorcery after using a Dawn's Wrath ability, but it could easily be changed to grant Major instead, that way all classes have built in version of the buff. It's not really a big deal, and it's not killing me to have it only give Minor Sorcery instead, but in the spirit of fairness, I think it would be a nice change.

same reason why DK doesn't have execute, it is not mandatory that all classes have same skills effects

Greg11jkalfa

Jamdarius wrote: »

same reason why DK doesn't have execute, it is not mandatory that all classes have same skills effects

@Jamdarius I'm not sure what you mean, Execute is not a skill or buff. If you're talking about Reverse Slash and/or it's morphs, that's from the Two Handed skill line. If you're referring to Radiant Destruction, then I'm not sure how it has the same reason to not be in that class. However, the aforementioned Reverse Slash's morph Executioner is a much better version of that skill anyways.

Beardimus

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

It is minor breech that is (to my knowledge) entirely unique to templar.

Correct, however a partial solution can be found in poisons if I'm not mistaken.

Same as major sorcery...

I don't really get your counter arguments

In short everyone is missing something, that's the point.

Jamdarius

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

Jamdarius wrote: »

same reason why DK doesn't have execute, it is not mandatory that all classes have same skills effects

@Jamdarius I'm not sure what you mean, Execute is not a skill or buff. If you're talking about Reverse Slash and/or it's morphs, that's from the Two Handed skill line. If you're referring to Radiant Destruction, then I'm not sure how it has the same reason to not be in that class. However, the aforementioned Reverse Slash's morph Executioner is a much better version of that skill anyways.

What I mean is: it is not mandatory all classes have skill classes that let you have access to every buff/debuff from the class skill trees even though it makes no sense that they do not have it. As example I have told about execute that DK class simply doesn't have even though all other classes do (well wardens execute is bear ulti which is also kinda stupid).

Be glad you can fix your major sorcery lack with mages guild skill or potions, I still cannot fix my lack of finisher move with anything.

Rake

Because its a templar, not a major sorcerer

Greg11jkalfa

Beardimus wrote: »

I don't really get your counter arguments

@Beardimus I didn't come to argue with anyone, I simply asked the question of why it's, again, the ONLY class to not have it. That's been my only response and reason for this whole post. When someone brings up buffs that only one class has, it's an exact opposite example in comparison to my question. I won't disagree with anyone who gives reference to a buff, that like Major Sorcery is only built into 4 of the 5 classes, because that's exactly what I'm talking about. @Jamdarius actually gave one of these perfect comparisons. And although it's not a buff, it does share the same fate of being absent from only one class. I didn't realize what they meant at first, but as I said, it's a perfect comparison. That being said, if you do read this Jamdarius, you were wrong when you said:

Jamdarius wrote: »

I still cannot fix my lack of finisher move with anything.

There are a two workarounds that I know of, and one of them I already mentioned, that being Reverse Slash's morph, Executioner. Another workaround is using Bloodthirsty traits on your jewelry. I know it's not ideal to use these methods, as they can have drastic changes on your build, but that's exactly how it is for me needing to use other methods to obtain Major Sorcery.

All in all, I only wanted to ask the question of why. I still don't want them to change it and add it to the class. As I said before, I don't really care that I have to use workarounds, it was just weird to me that Templars didn't have built in access. If anyone else has a good example, I'm more than glad to hear about it. But other than that, I'm going to move on from this post.

Jamdarius

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

I don't really get your counter arguments

@Beardimus I didn't come to argue with anyone, I simply asked the question of why it's, again, the ONLY class to not have it. That's been my only response and reason for this whole post. When someone brings up buffs that only one class has, it's an exact opposite example in comparison to my question. I won't disagree with anyone who gives reference to a buff, that like Major Sorcery is only built into 4 of the 5 classes, because that's exactly what I'm talking about. @Jamdarius actually gave one of these perfect comparisons. And although it's not a buff, it does share the same fate of being absent from only one class. I didn't realize what they meant at first, but as I said, it's a perfect comparison. That being said, if you do read this Jamdarius, you were wrong when you said:

Jamdarius wrote: »

I still cannot fix my lack of finisher move with anything.

There are a two workarounds that I know of, and one of them I already mentioned, that being Reverse Slash's morph, Executioner. Another workaround is using Bloodthirsty traits on your jewelry. I know it's not ideal to use these methods, as they can have drastic changes on your build, but that's exactly how it is for me needing to use other methods to obtain Major Sorcery.

All in all, I only wanted to ask the question of why. I still don't want them to change it and add it to the class. As I said before, I don't really care that I have to use workarounds, it was just weird to me that Templars didn't have built in access. If anyone else has a good example, I'm more than glad to hear about it. But other than that, I'm going to move on from this post.

Dude... I am MAGDK I don't care about reverse slash... Bloodthirsty sacrifices 2 much compared to arcane next patch for magDK i would be without good mag pool and without good sustain. Also using mages guild for major sorcery got its benefits: increased life pool, 2% max magicka and 2% more recovery and also empowered bonus to your light attack (if you invest in passives), bigger health pool means u have bigger damage shield.

Greg11jkalfa

Jamdarius wrote: »

Dude... I am MAGDK I don't care about reverse slash...

As I said, Bloodthirsty jewelry traits are another work around. I don't think they stack if you use more than one, I'm not the person to ask about that, but slapping it on your necklace will give you a permanent solution, no need to waste a skill slot on it. And Arcane only gives 870 max Magicka. Assuming you have the average Magicka pool of 25-30k, the replacement cost is negligible.

Greg11jkalfa

@Jamdarius By all means, it's your build, I won't tell you how to run it, but saying you have no substitute, isn't true is all I'm saying.

Jamdarius

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

@Jamdarius By all means, it's your build, I won't tell you how to run it, but saying you have no substitute, isn't true is all I'm saying.

10% more dmg at golden quality jewelry vs up to 300% dmg more (reverse slash) or always 300% dmg more (assassins blade) yeee i would pretty much like to have execution skill still

and by all means I know what you do and the meaning you have in mind but I want you to realize just how bad it is to not have execution skill and using bloodthirsty as substitue compared to what others have acces to

Greg11jkalfa

Jamdarius wrote: »

I want you to realize just how bad it is to not have execution skill and using bloodthirsty as substitute compared to what others have access to

@Jamdarius 🤷‍♂️ Having to replace tri-stat pots with Spell Power pots, taking up a 5 piece set slot that could be used for better buffs, and replacing a better suited skill with Entropy are all big disadvantages. Two sides, same coin.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

Jamdarius wrote: »

Dude... I am MAGDK I don't care about reverse slash...

As I said, Bloodthirsty jewelry traits are another work around. I don't think they stack if you use more than one, I'm not the person to ask about that, but slapping it on your necklace will give you a permanent solution, no need to waste a skill slot on it. And Arcane only gives 870 max Magicka. Assuming you have the average Magicka pool of 25-30k, the replacement cost is negligible.

blood thirsty certainly stack, and it does multiplicatively , unlike all other percent damage boosts, that are additive. also, average magic pool for a mag toon is 40-45k, not the low amount you are saying here. i only point this out as it show you have a severe lack of understanding on how the game work and that is leading you to think that the game ought to work one way when clearly the game works the other.

it really blows my mind how you are here, suggesting replacements for something a class lacks and don't see how you can simply do the same with major sorcery on a temp.

DocFrost72

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

Jamdarius wrote: »

I want you to realize just how bad it is to not have execution skill and using bloodthirsty as substitute compared to what others have access to

@Jamdarius 🤷‍♂️ Having to replace tri-stat pots with Spell Power pots, taking up a 5 piece set slot that could be used for better buffs, and replacing a better suited skill with Entropy are all big disadvantages. Two sides, same coin.

Now you're arguing just to argue, you'd need that bar slot for the templar maj sorc skill anyway...

Unless you're saying you want it to be on sweeps/sun fire, one of which already has your maj prophecy.

Greg11jkalfa

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO ok

Greg11jkalfa

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

Jamdarius wrote: »

I want you to realize just how bad it is to not have execution skill and using bloodthirsty as substitute compared to what others have access to

@Jamdarius 🤷‍♂️ Having to replace tri-stat pots with Spell Power pots, taking up a 5 piece set slot that could be used for better buffs, and replacing a better suited skill with Entropy are all big disadvantages. Two sides, same coin.

Now you're arguing just to argue, you'd need that bar slot for the templar maj sorc skill anyway...

Unless you're saying you want it to be on sweeps/sun fire, one of which already has your maj prophecy.

@DocFrost72 In fear of saying I'm arguing with you as well... Ok.

dodgehopper_ESO

Sharee wrote: »

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

If you don't wanna get Major Sorcery from potions, try entropy, really nice skill from mages guild. When maxed out give you empower, very cheap and also heals you! I use it everywhere with exception of vet trials

@MartiniDaniels It's not a bad spell, but it's outside of the class skills. I would just like them to either buff the Dawn's Wrath passive, or add it to an ability such as Backlash or Radiant Destruction. As I said it's not a big deal there's not an in class option, nor is it a big deal that I'll have to use Entropy instead, I just thought it was odd how every other class has access to it.

Well, templar have so many other buffs and debuffs which other classes don't have at all..

@MartiniDaniels I'm not well versed in all the buffs, can you give me some examples? (And if you mean Minor as well as Major Protection, fair enough, but Templar is very much heal/tank oriented to begin with.)

Purge would probably be the most obvious example. As far as i know, the only other class with a built-in purge is warden (and that one only cleanses 1 effect per GCD)

There are other things about the netch that are really powerful as well. I wouldn't act as though Templar cleanse is somehow superior. That would be wrong. It is better at cleansing though. Oh but the netch is free, it self heals and returns magicka. They're not the same.

Sevn

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

Jamdarius wrote: »

I want you to realize just how bad it is to not have execution skill and using bloodthirsty as substitute compared to what others have access to

@Jamdarius 🤷‍♂️ Having to replace tri-stat pots with Spell Power pots, taking up a 5 piece set slot that could be used for better buffs, and replacing a better suited skill with Entropy are all big disadvantages. Two sides, same coin.

And this is the real reason why other classes are ok with it. It gives them an advantage. Nothing to do with the homogenization of classes.

SugaComa

As a Templar I get the problem but I don't think it's required as much as access to bresch ...

I would like to see purifying light get breach similar to how power of the light gets fracture ..

Urvoth

Speaking of classes lacking stuff, sorcs are the only class without a class spammable, which is actually super impactful now that the destro staff passive is getting changed.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Urvoth wrote: »

Speaking of classes lacking stuff, sorcs are the only class without a class spammable, which is actually super impactful now that the destro staff passive is getting changed.

stam dks would have a word with you.

Qwazzy

Add major sorcery to solar barrage.

zvavi

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

stam dks would have a word with you.

Loved your comment bro, made me laugh.

OP.
This discussion has become a "there is no reason for it to be like that, class diversity exists" - "but I feel like it does need to be like that" rinse and repeat.

Unless you have NEW reason why Templars should have major sorcery, you will not change the mind of all those who think it is fine for the unique classes to be more unique.

Urvoth

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Speaking of classes lacking stuff, sorcs are the only class without a class spammable, which is actually super impactful now that the destro staff passive is getting changed.

stam dks would have a word with you.

Mag DKs at least have one though. You don't have one on mag or stam for sorc.

Greg11jkalfa

Urvoth wrote: »

You don't have one on mag or stam for sorc.

Urvoth wrote: »

Speaking of classes lacking stuff, sorcs are the only class without a class spammable

@Urvoth Feel free to tell me I know nothing about the game, but Mage's Fury, and Crystal Fragments are 100% spam skills for magicka sorcerers. I have no answer for stamina sorceres, but sorcerers are predominantly a magicka based class.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Urvoth wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Speaking of classes lacking stuff, sorcs are the only class without a class spammable, which is actually super impactful now that the destro staff passive is getting changed.

stam dks would have a word with you.

Mag DKs at least have one though. You don't have one on mag or stam for sorc.

I am aware magdks do. Hence why I said Stam dks.

zvavi wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

stam dks would have a word with you.

Loved your comment bro, made me laugh.


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No idea what you mean here, unless you are referencing claw.

Greg11jkalfa wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

You don't have one on mag or stam for sorc.

Urvoth wrote: »

Speaking of classes lacking stuff, sorcs are the only class without a class spammable

@Urvoth Feel free to tell me I know nothing about the game, but Mage's Fury, and Crystal Fragments are 100% spam skills for magicka sorcerers. I have no answer for stamina sorceres, but sorcerers are predominantly a magicka based class.

What are you on about? All classes are predominantly a magic class. Also Mages fury is garbage unless you are under 20% and frags is also garbage, unless proced.

Greg11jkalfa

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO Mage's Fury and Crystal Fragments are both spammable. A genius like you surely knows what that word means. Mage's Fury costs very little to cast, which means you can cast it multiple times in your rotation keeping the proc it has active until it's ready. Because Mage's Fury is a magicka ability, you can use it (in unison with other magicka abilities) to proc Crystal Fragments. The whole point of using the Crystal Fragments morph is for the bonus damage, and reduced cost given by the proc. And yes, the class skills on their own are predominantly magicka based. But what I was saying was, the majority of sorcerer builds revolve around magicka, because none of the stamina abilities are attacks. With every other class, you have multiple attack options using stamina. That is what I was on about.