yes so this should be a buff to pet sorcs and with the implosion passive change Sorc is looking pretty good at least in PVE this patch.

This is huge. If ZOS won't buff magdens directly, we'll take some indirect buffs. We're still grossly underpowered, but the gap gets a little smaller now.

Dracane wrote: »

Pets still only scale with magicka though.

Except the Bear and Storm Attro. They'll scale with the larger pool. Though on that subject, I still think the Clanfear should scale with stam. If only because it already swaps over to Physical damage, and there is no pet for a stamsorc (aside from the Storm Attro.)

starkerealm wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Pets still only scale with magicka though.

Except the Bear and Storm Attro. They'll scale with the larger pool. Though on that subject, I still think the Clanfear should scale with stam. If only because it already swaps over to Physical damage, and there is no pet for a stamsorc (aside from the Storm Attro.)

Indeed. They are ultimates and scale as everything else does since a few patches.
But pet base attacks never did. I have tested everything in and out and my twilight now does roughly 50% more damage. That is more than welcome. I have pleaded Zenimax since 3 years to make her scale with CP and I did not anticipate this now.

I actually expected them to make pets 1 slot now.
Anyway, this patch went from relatively bad to actually quite enjoyable. There are some nice quality of life improvements, combat wise.

"All pets will now inherit your bonuses and derived stats. This means your Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Multipliers, Champion Points, and other % damage or healing amplifications will be applied to any pet you summon. Item sets that summon pets will continue to not inherent your Critical Strike Chance."

Bear still doesnt scale with BT. @ZOS_Gilliam is that a bug?

Dracane wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Pets still only scale with magicka though.

Except the Bear and Storm Attro. They'll scale with the larger pool. Though on that subject, I still think the Clanfear should scale with stam. If only because it already swaps over to Physical damage, and there is no pet for a stamsorc (aside from the Storm Attro.)

Indeed. They are ultimates and scale as everything else does since a few patches.
But pet base attacks never did. I have tested everything in and out and my twilight now does roughly 50% more damage. That is more than welcome. I have pleaded Zenimax since 3 years to make her scale with CP and I did not anticipate this now.

I actually expected them to make pets 1 slot now.
Anyway, this patch went from relatively bad to actually quite enjoyable. There are some nice quality of life improvements, combat wise.

Agreed that making pets attacks more meaningful is cool.

Agreed hugely that its tine for single bar pets, at least the healing morphs anyway. We needed that since nerfmire.

What else / other changes are you feeling @Dracane ?

Dracane wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Pets still only scale with magicka though.

Except the Bear and Storm Attro. They'll scale with the larger pool. Though on that subject, I still think the Clanfear should scale with stam. If only because it already swaps over to Physical damage, and there is no pet for a stamsorc (aside from the Storm Attro.)

Indeed. They are ultimates and scale as everything else does since a few patches.
But pet base attacks never did. I have tested everything in and out and my twilight now does roughly 50% more damage. That is more than welcome. I have pleaded Zenimax since 3 years to make her scale with CP and I did not anticipate this now.

I actually expected them to make pets 1 slot now.
Anyway, this patch went from relatively bad to actually quite enjoyable. There are some nice quality of life improvements, combat wise.

Agreed that making pets attacks more meaningful is cool.

Agreed hugely that its tine for single bar pets, at least the healing morphs anyway. We needed that since nerfmire.

What else / other changes are you feeling @Dracane ?

@Beardimus

Accurate scaling and allowing for better bar management is all that could be asked for.
Or are you asking what other changes I liked this patch ? Sorry, this saying that you used is unknown to me.

Sorry!! Bad turn of phrase!! You mentioned you noticed some other combat QOL changes on the pts and i wondered what else felt better.

Beardimus wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Pets still only scale with magicka though.

Except the Bear and Storm Attro. They'll scale with the larger pool. Though on that subject, I still think the Clanfear should scale with stam. If only because it already swaps over to Physical damage, and there is no pet for a stamsorc (aside from the Storm Attro.)

Indeed. They are ultimates and scale as everything else does since a few patches.
But pet base attacks never did. I have tested everything in and out and my twilight now does roughly 50% more damage. That is more than welcome. I have pleaded Zenimax since 3 years to make her scale with CP and I did not anticipate this now.

I actually expected them to make pets 1 slot now.
Anyway, this patch went from relatively bad to actually quite enjoyable. There are some nice quality of life improvements, combat wise.

Agreed that making pets attacks more meaningful is cool.

Agreed hugely that its tine for single bar pets, at least the healing morphs anyway. We needed that since nerfmire.

What else / other changes are you feeling @Dracane ?

@Beardimus

Accurate scaling and allowing for better bar management is all that could be asked for.
Or are you asking what other changes I liked this patch ? Sorry, this saying that you used is unknown to me.

Sorry!! Bad turn of phrase!! You mentioned you noticed some other combat QOL changes on the pts and i wondered what else felt better.

It's fine.
Well I am happy that heavy attacks now always restore some ressources. Heavy attack blocking was a huge issue for magicka builds, or staff users I should say. Because our heavy attacks are long and telegraphed, while weapon heavy attacks are very short and easily built into your rotation. So having some more reliable ressource gain is good. (now you can do something useful for yourself when people use the sword and shield ultimate)

I should add that heavy attack blocking was especially strong for stamina builds. Because when you have a damage shield on, blocking will not deny the ressource gain of your enemy. Thus, magicka has little room for skillful play while stamina does have it.

Staves no longer requiring an ability slotted is good for my pve tank build, where I had to slot that destruction ult for the ice staff passives. Now I can slot Undo again for the damage mitigation.
It also allows me to use elemental weapons in pvp. Elemental weapons is getting stronger while force pulse gets weaker next patch.

And lastly I simply appreciate the Implosion change. It's more helpful and reliable than an rng execute.
I am mourning the 2.1k magicka that I am loosing. Nothting can compensate for this. But overall, the positive overweights.

Aedaryl wrote: »

Matriarch is overpowered.

The diffence between scamp AoE damage and Matriach LA was that the scamp gott the AoE affected by CP and the LA of matriach not.

Healing matriach does now far MORE DAMAGE THAN the scamp AOE.

ZoS nerfed scamp by something like 25% in the past when pets was 12 per trial. To situe matriach damage right now, it's stronger than the scamp in theze day.

@Dracane pretty sure u noticed it.

@Checkmath @KenaPKK is the dev want to make the healing pet dealing more damage than the damage one or ZoS just didn't think about the consequenses like always ?

NB : The defensive buff pets get from cps is nice, and it should stay that way. The problem is the offensive CPs scaling on pet's LA. (Matriach LA have bigger tooltip than scamp AoE and now they get the same bonus, here is the reason why matriach deal more damage than scamp. Not even speaking about the Twilight tourmentor, it's damage is CRAZY.

@Aedaryl
I actually did not notice this. I checked it and the scamp was still superior, as his own basic attacks also got stronger. It still deals more damage in my tests with all his attacks combined. Only the twilight tormentor is stronger, but only at specific times as you know. The scamp also still has the benefit of Aoe damage.

And pets do not scale with defensive CP. Haven't you tested this ?

EDIT: I should add I always have 75 into thaumaturge. So my scamp is nicely buffed.

Aedaryl wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Matriarch is overpowered.

The diffence between scamp AoE damage and Matriach LA was that the scamp gott the AoE affected by CP and the LA of matriach not.

Healing matriach does now far MORE DAMAGE THAN the scamp AOE.

ZoS nerfed scamp by something like 25% in the past when pets was 12 per trial. To situe matriach damage right now, it's stronger than the scamp in theze day.

@Dracane pretty sure u noticed it.

@Checkmath @KenaPKK is the dev want to make the healing pet dealing more damage than the damage one or ZoS just didn't think about the consequenses like always ?

NB : The defensive buff pets get from cps is nice, and it should stay that way. The problem is the offensive CPs scaling on pet's LA. (Matriach LA have bigger tooltip than scamp AoE and now they get the same bonus, here is the reason why matriach deal more damage than scamp. Not even speaking about the Twilight tourmentor, it's damage is CRAZY.

@Aedaryl
I actually did not notice this. I checked it and the scamp was still superior, as his own basic attacks also got stronger. It still deals more damage in my tests with all his attacks combined. Only the twilight tormentor is stronger, but only at specific times as you know. The scamp also still has the benefit of Aoe damage.

And pets do not scale with defensive CP. Haven't you tested this ?

EDIT: I should add I always have 75% into thaumaturge. So my scamp is nicely buffed.

Didn't tested the defensive cps because I don't find people on PTS to test it, but if they didn't make it scale then ZOS are really stupid x)

Even if the scamp deal more TOTAL damage, the fact that the matriach deal more damage than the current live scamp is just overpowered.

Pet sorc will be soon OP in trial again and you know what follow, it's end by a nerf hammer

I don't see the issue. Pets merely function like any other ability now. They they were heavily underpowered in CP pvp because their attacks were mitigated by enemy players defensive CP but had no self CP to compensate.

Please, pets cost 2 SLOTS. They should be strong so they can come close to 2 abilities that I could otherwise have.
It's fair, that's all I can say. You loose enough for using a pet.

Aedaryl wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Matriarch is overpowered.

The diffence between scamp AoE damage and Matriach LA was that the scamp gott the AoE affected by CP and the LA of matriach not.

Healing matriach does now far MORE DAMAGE THAN the scamp AOE.

ZoS nerfed scamp by something like 25% in the past when pets was 12 per trial. To situe matriach damage right now, it's stronger than the scamp in theze day.

@Dracane pretty sure u noticed it.

@Checkmath @KenaPKK is the dev want to make the healing pet dealing more damage than the damage one or ZoS just didn't think about the consequenses like always ?

NB : The defensive buff pets get from cps is nice, and it should stay that way. The problem is the offensive CPs scaling on pet's LA. (Matriach LA have bigger tooltip than scamp AoE and now they get the same bonus, here is the reason why matriach deal more damage than scamp. Not even speaking about the Twilight tourmentor, it's damage is CRAZY.

@Aedaryl
I actually did not notice this. I checked it and the scamp was still superior, as his own basic attacks also got stronger. It still deals more damage in my tests with all his attacks combined. Only the twilight tormentor is stronger, but only at specific times as you know. The scamp also still has the benefit of Aoe damage.

And pets do not scale with defensive CP. Haven't you tested this ?

EDIT: I should add I always have 75% into thaumaturge. So my scamp is nicely buffed.

Didn't tested the defensive cps because I don't find people on PTS to test it, but if they didn't make it scale then ZOS are really stupid x)

Even if the scamp deal more TOTAL damage, the fact that the matriach deal more damage than the current live scamp is just overpowered.

Pet sorc will be soon OP in trial again and you know what follow, it's end by a nerf hammer

I don't see the issue. Pets merely function like any other ability now. They they were heavily underpowered in CP pvp because their attacks were mitigated by enemy players defensive CP but had no self CP to compensate.

Please, pets cost 2 SLOTS. They should be strong so they can come close to 2 abilities that I could otherwise have.
It's fair, that's all I can say. You loose enough for using a pet.

While I agree pets on live are not worth it, the new damage lvl of pets is actually too strong. A boost is cool, but that lvl is broken.

It's a matter of time before PvE boys discover it, make DPS test and come here crying to nerf pets...

Do you really think an ability that costs twice the amount of slots, should not be better than an ability that only costs one ?
I think it's balanced. And for this very reason, no crying should be let heard. Pet Sorcerers sacrifise so much bar space and flexibility, they should have something to make up for it.

Same goes for warden by the way. The bear requires 2 slots. Yet, he is not as good as 2 ults. You loose 8% magicka on your frontbar by having the bear.

@Ragnaroek93
I have seen you, you just rip pets apart. I think you are the nuisance for the Sorcerer, not the other way around.