DaveMoeDee wrote: »Sanctuary_Reaper wrote: »You can still buff flame damage by using set gear for Dunmer magdks, maybe adding a flat number to flame damage in the passives would of been better than removing it altogether, anyway one example below you could use.
Silks of the Sun
(2 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Flame Damage abilities.
Sure. Some of our Dunmer were already using that. Kinda irrelevant to the details of the Dunmer analysis. Dunmer just contribute a lot less now to many current builds, esp DD magDKs. Changing gear won't change that.
ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »Greetings everyone! First the combat team would like to thank you all for the feedback you’ve provided, and we want you to know that we’ve been closely monitoring the direction of the conversations thus far, and will be discussing them internally for potential adjustments if the feedback stays similar after PTS goes live. While we won’t be making any changes for the first PTS, there might be tweaks for PTS week 2.
DanteMR1995 wrote: »I'm excited for the changes, especially magicka khajiits
IzzyStardust wrote: »DanteMR1995 wrote: »I'm excited for the changes, especially magicka khajiits
Yeah not me really - I don’t really like playing animal type races. I don’t want to have a tail, claws, scales, tusks or whatever. That’s just totally off putting for me.
I’ll wait to see what happens and if need be just shelve my dps or quit playing if it gets too, too bad.
Seraphayel wrote: »IzzyStardust wrote: »DanteMR1995 wrote: »I'm excited for the changes, especially magicka khajiits
Yeah not me really - I don’t really like playing animal type races. I don’t want to have a tail, claws, scales, tusks or whatever. That’s just totally off putting for me.
I’ll wait to see what happens and if need be just shelve my dps or quit playing if it gets too, too bad.
And who forces you to create a Khajiit when you want to play a Magicka build?
Right, nobody. Cause it doesn't matter.
Seraphayel wrote: »IzzyStardust wrote: »DanteMR1995 wrote: »I'm excited for the changes, especially magicka khajiits
Yeah not me really - I don’t really like playing animal type races. I don’t want to have a tail, claws, scales, tusks or whatever. That’s just totally off putting for me.
I’ll wait to see what happens and if need be just shelve my dps or quit playing if it gets too, too bad.
And who forces you to create a Khajiit when you want to play a Magicka build?
Right, nobody. Cause it doesn't matter.
IzzyStardust wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »IzzyStardust wrote: »DanteMR1995 wrote: »I'm excited for the changes, especially magicka khajiits
Yeah not me really - I don’t really like playing animal type races. I don’t want to have a tail, claws, scales, tusks or whatever. That’s just totally off putting for me.
I’ll wait to see what happens and if need be just shelve my dps or quit playing if it gets too, too bad.
And who forces you to create a Khajiit when you want to play a Magicka build?
Right, nobody. Cause it doesn't matter.
Oi I edited that; and I never said anyone FORCED me - I said I don’t like it.
Don’t infer things into my words and then quote me to argue with your own inference. ❤️
Thanks!
shaielzafine wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »IzzyStardust wrote: »DanteMR1995 wrote: »I'm excited for the changes, especially magicka khajiits
Yeah not me really - I don’t really like playing animal type races. I don’t want to have a tail, claws, scales, tusks or whatever. That’s just totally off putting for me.
I’ll wait to see what happens and if need be just shelve my dps or quit playing if it gets too, too bad.
And who forces you to create a Khajiit when you want to play a Magicka build?
Right, nobody. Cause it doesn't matter.
Nobody is forcing them, but it's quite possible people that aren't you might actually enjoy RPing or min-maxing or whatever. Dunmer are basically high elves that have more affinity with fire damage skills, why should they be doing less magic damage than Khajiit (thief race) wielding inferno staves? lol. It's an MMORPG, there's a role playing element. There's also a multiplayer element where you go to PvP and sometimes, the little % passives add up in a fight. Or in hardcore pve, sometimes people actually try to get the most out of their builds that they've spent months or years on. I don't see the point of racial changes if some races are still better than others to do certain things. In comparable mmo games like GW2 & FFXIV the racial passives vary but don't matter. Is that what ESO is trying to accomplish? Because I don't get it. The racial tokens were on sale for what reason then? They literally just shuffled around which race is better for mag / stam / tanking.
I don’t know to whom you are referring butSo, just because Dark Elfes lose Stamina you have lost all your interest in playing?
That's either completely stupid, or you have found out that bashing on Updates is a good way to collect forum stars
And on top it you haven't even read the patch notes correctly.
L-O-L
Seraphayel wrote: »IzzyStardust wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »IzzyStardust wrote: »DanteMR1995 wrote: »I'm excited for the changes, especially magicka khajiits
Yeah not me really - I don’t really like playing animal type races. I don’t want to have a tail, claws, scales, tusks or whatever. That’s just totally off putting for me.
I’ll wait to see what happens and if need be just shelve my dps or quit playing if it gets too, too bad.
And who forces you to create a Khajiit when you want to play a Magicka build?
Right, nobody. Cause it doesn't matter.
Oi I edited that; and I never said anyone FORCED me - I said I don’t like it.
Don’t infer things into my words and then quote me to argue with your own inference. ❤️
Thanks!
You don't like Khajiit - okay, that's true as it's your perception.
You want to shelve DPS because you think Khajiit might be the better option and you're recent character (Dunmer) doesn't fit Magicka DPS anymore - this is true on your part but generally false.
My post just reduced what you said to a basic premise: you don't have you play Khajiit to still be a viable Magicka DPS because your race, in this case, doesn't matter as much as you make it look like.
OtarTheMad wrote: »These patch notes look good overall. And really what is the difference between 7% flame damage and 258 spell damage. Is it that much of a drop?
IzzyStardust wrote: »I don’t know to whom you are referring butSo, just because Dark Elfes lose Stamina you have lost all your interest in playing?
That's either completely stupid, or you have found out that bashing on Updates is a good way to collect forum stars
And on top it you haven't even read the patch notes correctly.
L-O-L
I refer mainly to fire dmg passives :-) and I’m not bashing on updates.
I also don’t want to play any lizard/boar/cat
It is either one way or the other.
Either I’ll play my dunmer or not. It’s not life or death for me. It’s just I’ll play that character or not play her. :-)
@MLGProPlayerMLGProPlayer wrote: »Early DPS testing indicates Khajiit are BiS for magicka DPS, apparently by a wide margin too, lol. Followed by Breton.
Having Khajiit be the BiS race for magicka, ahead of Altmer, Dunmer, and Breton is insanely lore-breaking if it makes it to live. Even having Breton ahead of the elves is kind of silly, although easier to swallow (and apparently the difference there is small).
Ah! Well nevermind then!IzzyStardust wrote: »I don’t know to whom you are referring butSo, just because Dark Elfes lose Stamina you have lost all your interest in playing?
That's either completely stupid, or you have found out that bashing on Updates is a good way to collect forum stars
And on top it you haven't even read the patch notes correctly.
L-O-L
I refer mainly to fire dmg passives :-) and I’m not bashing on updates.
I also don’t want to play any lizard/boar/cat
It is either one way or the other.
Either I’ll play my dunmer or not. It’s not life or death for me. It’s just I’ll play that character or not play her. :-)
I was referring to the OP
When has ZoS ever listened to feedback tho?Yamenstein wrote: »Yamenstein wrote: »At least that's what it looks like since they're live on the PTS.
I don't think I want to keep playing this game. I haven't launched it in like 4 days.
I really don't want High Elves to somehow regenerate Stamina and Dark Elves to lose Flame Damage. Dark Elves are literally High Elves but with Stamina points, so why the hell are High Elves getting this?
Do you know what PTS stands for ?
Public Test Server.
Do you know what they do on the PTS?
Test changes, get feedback and then make further changes.
Does this mean the moment you cry "Give me back 7% flame damage" to the race that hasn't been known to be extra proficient in flame damage, that you'll get it ?
No.
What you should be doing is taking your builds to PTS, if you play on PC, and see how they perform with the new changes. After you have seen how they perform, and understood what the end goal is, then you can give obiective feed back in the PTS forums where it can be looked at and then discussed.
If you can't do that, because thinking both logically and objectively is too difficult and you still wish to exit the game and never play again. Then bye. I would advise deleting all your toons so you don't come back to the game as you might be turned off from having to do everything again.
Ok. Let me just give you three random examples of why I don't PTS test anything anymore. If you can find any green text in these three Official Templar Feedback threads, other than the initial OP and occasional moderation, I'm admittedly wrong and you are right. O=
Official Feedback Thread for Templars example #1
Official Feedback Thread for Templars example #2
Official PTS Feedback Thread for Templars example #3
Sure two of the links are fairly old, but I've seen no change in this regard recently either (in some cases sure, but not overall). =(
There are many reasons to use the PTS, like gaining an advantage in theory crafting before the live release, training Trials and Dungeons etc, resulting in excellent guides when the product hits "Live", heck even trying out new CS costumes or new looks in the character creator before you buy a token for 3K Crowns on Live, if you want to.
Funny is that I did it to test and provide feedback so that at least a discussion with the devs might get started. The void of any reaction to that is what really tipped me over. I mean, just look at the elaborate testing and providing of meticulous, data, information and feedback in most posts, to no avail. Example, Example, Example.
We (or they) might as well have provided all that to the wind, but maybe even the wind would at least have cried Marry.
Just because a developer or moderator doesn't reply to a thread doesn't mean they don't take down what you say.
Giving feedback is still an opportunity to create discussion, not just among the players who are replying back to you but developers can discuss internally as well.
@MLGProPlayerMLGProPlayer wrote: »Early DPS testing indicates Khajiit are BiS for magicka DPS, apparently by a wide margin too, lol. Followed by Breton.
Having Khajiit be the BiS race for magicka, ahead of Altmer, Dunmer, and Breton is insanely lore-breaking if it makes it to live. Even having Breton ahead of the elves is kind of silly, although easier to swallow (and apparently the difference there is small).
Check out an actual statistical DPS test done here.
Spoiler - Khajiit is not the BiS Magicka race. Breton is, followed by Altmer.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454707/race-pve-dps-difference-tests-for-both-stamina-and-magicka-results-and-graphical-breakdown#latest
@MLGProPlayerMLGProPlayer wrote: »Early DPS testing indicates Khajiit are BiS for magicka DPS, apparently by a wide margin too, lol. Followed by Breton.
Having Khajiit be the BiS race for magicka, ahead of Altmer, Dunmer, and Breton is insanely lore-breaking if it makes it to live. Even having Breton ahead of the elves is kind of silly, although easier to swallow (and apparently the difference there is small).
Check out an actual statistical DPS test done here.
Spoiler - Khajiit is not the BiS Magicka race. Breton is, followed by Altmer.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454707/race-pve-dps-difference-tests-for-both-stamina-and-magicka-results-and-graphical-breakdown#latest
This one is happy, less chance for nerf down the line@MLGProPlayerMLGProPlayer wrote: »Early DPS testing indicates Khajiit are BiS for magicka DPS, apparently by a wide margin too, lol. Followed by Breton.
Having Khajiit be the BiS race for magicka, ahead of Altmer, Dunmer, and Breton is insanely lore-breaking if it makes it to live. Even having Breton ahead of the elves is kind of silly, although easier to swallow (and apparently the difference there is small).
Check out an actual statistical DPS test done here.
Spoiler - Khajiit is not the BiS Magicka race. Breton is, followed by Altmer.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454707/race-pve-dps-difference-tests-for-both-stamina-and-magicka-results-and-graphical-breakdown#latest
MLGProPlayer wrote: »