Another post of this same topic....

although there is another thread on this topic here goes. People already see through this whole money grab. That one half change token is no kind gesture at all. It's a ploy, and a bad one at that.

I completely disagree with ZOS's stance on this subject. It seems similar to a bait and switch tactic. It's one thing to open a crown store to sell some outfits and mounts, but it's a whole other thing to charge players for their own balancing mistakes. They can happily sell whatever cosmetic outfits, mounts and pets they want, but don't try to sell the player base balancing changes outside of the existing sub, dlc's and expansions.

When class ability changes came they weren't all game breaking. Yet because the skill changes only cost gold it was given almost for free, and sometimes they were just flat out reset. So people could play using other abilities. So now because tokens are RL money and not gold they want to cash in. I think not and definitely not to this extreme. Even at a reduced price these would be ridculously expensive for people with a full load of chars, and this isn't a burden the players should be carrying at all, not one cent of it.

Unfortunately, I must agree with the majority on this one.

They can't say "ok. You're paying for the dlc's and expansions, and now pay for something we (ZOS)changed within them."
The point remains that they changed the races and people should be able to change to whatever they want regardless of reason for free.
1 time race and name change per char for free.

The charge is not even remotely justified and too costly to push on the player base. It will cost more than the expansion and sub together for those who already have many chars which a lot of players do.

They even comment that people may have made these races to be competitive with those passives available to them and now they should feel they can play what they want, but it's going to cost them. Why? They should've always been able to play what they want "without being at a disadvantage". I do get they want the changes, and so do we. That normally wouldn't be a problem, but the entire change stems from their balancing problems from the beginning. So no. It shouldn't rest on the players to pay extra for those changes. This is just imho.

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

although there is another thread on this topic here goes. People already see through this whole money grab. That one half change token is no kind gesture at all. It's a ploy, and a bad one at that.

I completely disagree with ZOS's stance on this subject. It seems similar to a bait and switch tactic. It's one thing to open a crown store to sell some outfits and mounts, but it's a whole other thing to charge players for their own balancing mistakes. They can happily sell whatever cosmetic outfits, mounts and pets they want, but don't try to sell the player base balancing changes outside of the existing sub, dlc's and expansions.

When class ability changes came they weren't all game breaking. Yet because the skill changes only cost gold it was given almost for free, and sometimes they were just flat out reset. So people could play using other abilities. So now because tokens are RL money and not gold they want to cash in. I think not and definitely not to this extreme. Even at a reduced price these would be ridculously expensive for people with a full load of chars, and this isn't a burden the players should be carrying at all, not one cent of it.

Unfortunately, I must agree with the majority on this one.

They can't say "ok. You're paying for the dlc's and expansions, and now pay for something we (ZOS)changed within them."
The point remains that they changed the races and people should be able to change to whatever they want regardless of reason for free.
1 time race and name change per char for free.

The change is not justified and too costly to push on the player base. It will cost more than the expansion and sub together for those who already have many chars which a lot of players do.

They even comment that people may have made these races to be competitive with those passives available to them and now they should feel they can play what they want, but it's going to cost them. Why? They should've always been able to play what they want "without being at a disadvantage". I do get they want the changes, and so do we. That normally wouldn't be a problem, but the entire change stems from their balancing problems from the beginning. So no. It shouldn't rest on the players to pay extra for those changes. This is just imho.

I could say the same about my sorc class they nerfed to hell when they did major changes to their skills and class. But ZOS didn't give the option for a class change or even discount the gold for skill change. Its an MMO and a FTPMMO at that. I have yet to play an MMO where they didn't do a major balance change and let people change because of it. So sorry you decided to pick the meta class for stats. Meta never last it will always move around in some way or forum through the life of an MMO as they try and balance and make something else the meta. You either stay and do what it takes to make the move (recreate character, pay to change, etc) or start another game.

This is not a static game folks. All MMO's change characters over time.

JadonSky wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

although there is another thread on this topic here goes. People already see through this whole money grab. That one half change token is no kind gesture at all. It's a ploy, and a bad one at that.

I completely disagree with ZOS's stance on this subject. It seems similar to a bait and switch tactic. It's one thing to open a crown store to sell some outfits and mounts, but it's a whole other thing to charge players for their own balancing mistakes. They can happily sell whatever cosmetic outfits, mounts and pets they want, but don't try to sell the player base balancing changes outside of the existing sub, dlc's and expansions.

When class ability changes came they weren't all game breaking. Yet because the skill changes only cost gold it was given almost for free, and sometimes they were just flat out reset. So people could play using other abilities. So now because tokens are RL money and not gold they want to cash in. I think not and definitely not to this extreme. Even at a reduced price these would be ridculously expensive for people with a full load of chars, and this isn't a burden the players should be carrying at all, not one cent of it.

Unfortunately, I must agree with the majority on this one.

They can't say "ok. You're paying for the dlc's and expansions, and now pay for something we (ZOS)changed within them."
The point remains that they changed the races and people should be able to change to whatever they want regardless of reason for free.
1 time race and name change per char for free.

The change is not justified and too costly to push on the player base. It will cost more than the expansion and sub together for those who already have many chars which a lot of players do.

They even comment that people may have made these races to be competitive with those passives available to them and now they should feel they can play what they want, but it's going to cost them. Why? They should've always been able to play what they want "without being at a disadvantage". I do get they want the changes, and so do we. That normally wouldn't be a problem, but the entire change stems from their balancing problems from the beginning. So no. It shouldn't rest on the players to pay extra for those changes. This is just imho.

I could say the same about my sorc class they nerfed to hell when they did major changes to their skills and class. But ZOS didn't give the option for a class change or even discount the gold for skill change. Its an MMO and a FTPMMO at that. I have yet to play an MMO where they didn't do a major balance change and let people change because of it. So sorry you decided to pick the meta class for stats. Meta never last it will always move around in some way or forum through the life of an MMO as they try and balance and make something else the meta. You either stay and do what it takes to make the move (recreate character, pay to change, etc) or start another game.

The changing of classes is different. Many players already have that class made, or already have those skills leveled. It's simply just respecing them, which isn't that big a deal. However there is no way to to change your race after these changes unless you completely delete a character and all it's achievements and remake it, or buy a race change. If race changes were available in game, there would be no issue. It's impractical to make the same class with many different races, while it's not too far off to assume most players do have several characters with a diversity of classes.

Personally, I'm fine with the race changes. It's about time things got mixed up a little and I'm not really displeased with any of the changes as a whole. I'm more upset that I'm unable to adjust to these changes accordingly without paying more money. This released now, after announcing the new chapter and promoting Khajjit's and Necromancers just really seems like their intention is to sell race change tokens. Particularly since I really don't see how this won't create the exact same problem they aimed to fix, with everyone still taking the best option for each class and still having little diversity. Base game changes should not require money to adjust to.

I have 14 toons, but I'm thinking that some of us have just one main that we might or might not change. I might use the token on an alt; I don't know though yet. I'll have a look-see on the PTS next week.

Dojohoda wrote: »

I have 14 toons, but I'm thinking that some of us have just one main that we might or might not change. I might use the token on an alt; I don't know though yet. I'll have a look-see on the PTS next week.

I play all my characters.

I made them to play, and they all serve a major purpose, particularly in my endgame activities.

These changes will impact them all, negatively, and I'm expected to shoulder the cost of over $400 to change these characters to bring them back to their current state of playability.

That's wrong.

If ZOS is going to upheave my entire roster of characters, the least they could do is provide me with a token for each so that I can adjust and adapt to the changes.

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

We aren't talking about changing mains here. We're talking about a imbalance that should've never been there. One that will cost people with many characters a lot of real money for errors the players didn't make. Don't underestimate how many players have alts and more than just one main.

3.5k crowns per char for race and name changes after the player base already paid into subs, dlcs,expansions...
in which this content is already included is a definite slap in the face when they should all be free. We didn't balance the races poorly. They did. Why is it now our burden? We just want ZOS to do the right thing and not sell out on it's player base and give us the race and name changes free, nothing more and nothing less.

As someone that wasn't negatively affected by my choice and won't be using my tokens for any of my characters, I totally agree. Not only should we be given race changes, we should be given name changes. It's no secret ESO players love to role play and have lore friendly names.

It's pretty dumb that people have to choose between paying money or walking around as a character that started as an Argonian but is now a Nord as swims-in-sewage

basicly im against it.



[*] you created your char the way it was because YOU the player wanted that. BARE WITH IT! YOUR CHOICE YOUR BURDEN
[*] historicly speaking only bethesda added this feature in the past 30 years of online gaming and sadly thats because you guys are so busy argueing over petty crap that you cant see the whole litterbox filled with crap.
[*] this feature should have never been added to a mmo but bethesda did it simply because by chaning the meta they get player to spend money and that brings profit wich in turn bring people to spend more if the meta is always changing. the basic of the cashgrab wheel.
[*] if you want to be that much of a dps god per xpac simple: make 1 char max it ,c rafts skills, make it your main craft and w/e suits you. then make chars you wont give a *** and delete the lamest of them all every time bethesda changes the meta in anew "dlc"
[*] also doing the above will require you to buy character space if you dont delete the ones you wont be using

Is it really...

Scars of Velious signaled the beginning of the end for EQ. Think this is the same for ESO...

Nope.