Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

micro? It's like 15 dollars. Of it was 2 dollars is be fine

It's 30$ CAD here.

People already realised this is foul in other threads.

I completely disagree with ZOS's stance on this subject. It seems similar to a bait and switch tactic. It's one thing to open a crown store and another thing to charge for things that they caused to change.

When class ability changes came they weren't all game breaking. Yet because the skill changes only cost gold it was given almost for free, and sometimes they were just flat out reset. So now because tokens are RL money and not gold they want to cash in. I think not and definitely not to this extreme. Even at a reduced price these would be ridculously expensive for people with a full load of chars, and this isn't a burden the players should be carrying at all.

Unfortunately, I must agree with the majority on this one.

They can't say "ok. You're paying for the dlc's and expansions, and now pay for something we (ZOS)changed in them."
The point remains that they changed the races and people should be able to change to whatever they want regardless of reason for free.
1 time change per char for free.

The change is too costly to push on the player base and will cost more than the expansion itself for those who already have many chars which a lot of players do.

They even comment that people may have made these races to be competitive with those passives available to them and now they should feel they can play what they want, but it's going to cost them. Why? They should've always been able to play what they want "without being at a disadvantage". I do get they want the changes, and so do we. That normally wouldn't be a problem, but the entire change stems from their balancing problems from the beginning. So no. It shouldn't rest on the players to pay extra for those changes. This is just imho.

Yeah, losing 300+ stam regen with no compensation is not a big deal

I’ll just change my playstyle, I’ll be a snipe ganker instead of a brawler

Boo

BustyChicksFTW wrote: »

Still waiting for a reason why ZOS is giving 1 race token change per account and not per char above lvl 50.

Love how everyone is skipping over that.

because they never really wanted to give you a single one but caved in.

Skwor wrote: »

Krayl wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Put down the tin foil, no it is not. These changes imo actually make sense and in many cases better aligns with the race culture and lore.

Whether or not they “make sense” or better align with “culture and lore” is sort of irrelevant to the point of the topic which is that offering one race change token is inadequate.

I would say the majority of players pick a race that comes equipped with the attributes people desire for the class and specialization they are playing.

Making fairly large changes to this and only offering one free avenue to change is inadequate.

One could both argue that the changes are fine and STILL believe the right thing to do would be to offer much more than only one free race change or yes, it does look like a cash grab.

I do not see these changes being significant to warrent changing a race. Min maxing just moves more into the realm of Gear and CP which is were it should be

It doesn't matter what you "see". What matters are "facts".

It's simple math. I don't really care why *you* chose your race - that's your call. I chose my Dunmer DK because it matches my playstyle (always a fan of melee-ish magick classes), provides a cool synergy and theme with fire damage and resistance, and finally, more importantly, and math wise - is the optimal way for me to contribute to DPS for my groups.

This is just one example, but saying "its not that significant enough to warrant changing a race" is entirely subjective. If I go buy a car, and there's a recall to fix something, it would be unethical to charge you for it. We literally have laws against such business practices.

No, I realize you're eye rolling, and even I will admit that's an absurd and extreme comparison, but it's the same idea - and is ALSO the reason they are offering a single free race change in the first place, and why they always make character respec cheaper even for very minor changes, that some people may also deem "too insignificant to warrant changes".

ZOS has created a game where for some of us that participate in end game content, min-maxing race combos supersedes things like lore and such; this isn't to say I don't have several side characters in non-optimal races that I totally enjoy playing, but an overhaul of this scale is far from 'insignificant'.

Once again I will reitterate - i'm indifferent about the changes, they are what they are. All I'm saying is that anyone who's taken the time to level a char to CP should receive the option to revise their race choice on any and all CP level characters without paying for it, as we made those choices based on information that has changed.

You can call the changes "insignificant", but as slight as the changes may be, they do reshuffle the order of what is BiS - and that is not an insignificant adjustment, as any of us who do care to min-max the characters we play in end-game content will do anything we can to ensure, for our groups and the time of our friends and guild mates, that we are being as optimal as possible. There's nothing WRONG with this - just like the khajiit sword and board hybdrid dps role player who only does delves is entitled to their play style.

I probably wouldn't change the majority of mine - but that's totally irrelevant in terms of what would be proper for ZOS to do.

BustyChicksFTW wrote: »

Still waiting for a reason why ZOS is giving 1 race token change per account and not per char above lvl 50.

Love how everyone is skipping over that.

If you're on NA and they are not account bound, I can send you my free one, since I'm not changing anyone's race regardless.