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The Racial change is a microtransaction move to milk their customers
BustyChicksFTW
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That's it. And we all know it but we barely call them out.
The people that are left playing the game are people who take this game pretty seriously with 8+ toons over level 50. They have the numbers, they know the insane amount of dunmer DKs they have. They could have easily given 1 racial token per character over level 50, not 1 racial token per account.
They're literally trying to milk their remaining loyal customers. Race change tokens are extremely expensive. 30$CAD?
The people that are left playing the game are people who take this game pretty seriously with 8+ toons over level 50. They have the numbers, they know the insane amount of dunmer DKs they have. They could have easily given 1 racial token per character over level 50, not 1 racial token per account.
They're literally trying to milk their remaining loyal customers. Race change tokens are extremely expensive. 30$CAD?
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Kuramas9tails✭✭✭✭✭
✭If it means I can finally be a good MageKhajiit then they can have my money.
A change I been asking in the forums for years because Khajiit Lore is that Khajiits are hybrids.Your friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
✭THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!
Not. These changes don't break any race. Settle down there Chicken Little.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso9 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BustyChicksFTW wrote: »That's it. And we all know it but we barely call them out.
The people that are left playing the game are people who take this game pretty seriously with 8+ toons over level 50. They have the numbers, they know the insane amount of dunmer DKs they have. They could have easily given 1 racial token per character over level 50, not 1 racial token per account.
They're literally trying to milk their remaining loyal customers. Race change tokens are extremely expensive. 30$CAD?
It's not only mDKs, it's also mNB. According to last poll on this forum, there were 3 most popular races, all magicka - altmer, dunmer and breton, each ~15% of players mains. Now they simply sacrifice one of those races covering it as "hybrid', while leaving two other viable so dunmer players who cares about minmaxing will run to crown shop.0 -
Suddwrath✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Agreed.
I don't have an issue with the changes themselves, but rather what it would cost to min/max characters again. Especially since I have already purchased race changes in the past to get my characters min/maxed and now that has been undone and would mean that I'd have to buy those tokens again.
If ZOS truly cared about the community they would allow players to change their races for free for a short amount of time (similar to when skills receive major reworks).4 -
BustyChicksFTW✭✭✭Wildberryjack wrote: »THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!
Not. These changes don't break any race. Settle down there Chicken Little.
Are you kidding me? Did you even read the Dunmer changes? Or the Bosmer ones? The divide is absurd now.
I'm not asking to any of the changes to be reversed. Even if I disagree with some of them, it is what it is, just give me a damn token per char.Edited by BustyChicksFTW on January 17, 2019 3:41PM8 -
Krayl✭✭✭✭✭I’m neutral about the changes. I’m always glad to see a developer not be afraid to change things in a way they think will give the game new life.
That being said, the changes are fairly drastic in some cases more than others. The right thing to do would be to give free race changes to all CP level characters, or I’m inclined to agree that the partial motivation here is a cash grab. There is no reason to change things this way and not give everyone the opportunity to make a new decision unless you’re trying to sell more tokens. If it’s truly for the sake of the game moving forward, race changes for all cp level characters is absolutely mandatory.Edited by Krayl on January 17, 2019 5:15PM2 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Put down the tin foil, no it is not. These changes imo actually make sense and in many cases better aligns with the race culture and lore.4 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »BustyChicksFTW wrote: »That's it. And we all know it but we barely call them out.
The people that are left playing the game are people who take this game pretty seriously with 8+ toons over level 50. They have the numbers, they know the insane amount of dunmer DKs they have. They could have easily given 1 racial token per character over level 50, not 1 racial token per account.
They're literally trying to milk their remaining loyal customers. Race change tokens are extremely expensive. 30$CAD?
It's not only mDKs, it's also mNB. According to last poll on this forum, there were 3 most popular races, all magicka - altmer, dunmer and breton, each ~15% of players mains. Now they simply sacrifice one of those races covering it as "hybrid', while leaving two other viable so dunmer players who cares about minmaxing will run to crown shop.
Yup, there are a lot of Dunmer double inferno NBs around, it was a great combo. I can't speak for ZOS' intentions (though you have to at least raise an eyebrow that race tokens went on sale), but where magicka DDs are concerned, most people will choose Altmer, with Breton being second, if changes go through. And it's not unreasonable to look at changes from a financial point of view as well, they are after all a company (and wardens are still the only source of minor toughness xD).0 -
Krayl✭✭✭✭✭Put down the tin foil, no it is not. These changes imo actually make sense and in many cases better aligns with the race culture and lore.
Whether or not they “make sense” or better align with “culture and lore” is sort of irrelevant to the point of the topic which is that offering one race change token is inadequate.
I would say the majority of players pick a race that comes equipped with the attributes people desire for the class and specialization they are playing.
Making fairly large changes to this and only offering one free avenue to change is inadequate.
One could both argue that the changes are fine and STILL believe the right thing to do would be to offer much more than only one free race change or yes, it does look like a cash grab.
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redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So why only the other classes you don't use should get the nerfs? How that makes any sense? Should we all just play with the same race? Is that truly your point? And your allegations about money spent are absurd since all of us who play the game spend money on it, regardless of races chosen when creating chars.Edited by redlink1979 on January 17, 2019 3:51PM"Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
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Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Put down the tin foil, no it is not. These changes imo actually make sense and in many cases better aligns with the race culture and lore.
Whether or not they “make sense” or better align with “culture and lore” is sort of irrelevant to the point of the topic which is that offering one race change token is inadequate.
I would say the majority of players pick a race that comes equipped with the attributes people desire for the class and specialization they are playing.
Making fairly large changes to this and only offering one free avenue to change is inadequate.
One could both argue that the changes are fine and STILL believe the right thing to do would be to offer much more than only one free race change or yes, it does look like a cash grab.
I do not see these changes being significant to warrent changing a race. Min maxing just moves more into the realm of Gear and CP which is were it should beEdited by Skwor on January 17, 2019 3:57PM2 -
BustyChicksFTW✭✭✭Put down the tin foil, no it is not. These changes imo actually make sense and in many cases better aligns with the race culture and lore.
Whether or not they “make sense” or better align with “culture and lore” is sort of irrelevant to the point of the topic which is that offering one race change token is inadequate.
I would say the majority of players pick a race that comes equipped with the attributes people desire for the class and specialization they are playing.
Making fairly large changes to this and only offering one free avenue to change is inadequate.
One could both argue that the changes are fine and STILL believe the right thing to do would be to offer much more than only one free race change or yes, it does look like a cash grab.
I do not see these changes being significant to warrent changing a race. Min maxing just moves more into the realm of Gear and CP which is were it should be
You're not part of a PVP guild if you think this doesn't warrant a race change.0 -
BustyChicksFTW✭✭✭We all have picked races even though they're not our favorites just because the racial benefits align with the class we wanted.
I'm still waiting for a reason not to give us a race change token per character over X levels apart from not being able to milk the player base.3 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭BustyChicksFTW wrote: »Put down the tin foil, no it is not. These changes imo actually make sense and in many cases better aligns with the race culture and lore.
Whether or not they “make sense” or better align with “culture and lore” is sort of irrelevant to the point of the topic which is that offering one race change token is inadequate.
I would say the majority of players pick a race that comes equipped with the attributes people desire for the class and specialization they are playing.
Making fairly large changes to this and only offering one free avenue to change is inadequate.
One could both argue that the changes are fine and STILL believe the right thing to do would be to offer much more than only one free race change or yes, it does look like a cash grab.
I do not see these changes being significant to warrent changing a race. Min maxing just moves more into the realm of Gear and CP which is were it should be
You're not part of a PVP guild if you think this doesn't warrant a race change.
Not currently but have in the past and was in some of the better ones. Never did my previous serious pvp guilds care about min maxin to a race. PVP is just not that taxing on the extremes, more about team coordination.Edited by Skwor on January 17, 2019 4:04PM0 -
Khydan✭✭✭The racial changes are happening to counteract the power creep that's happening because of CP, which half the playerbase is adamantly in favor of so they can log in and get more powerful forever (I guess they never heard of max lvl in an MMO). The fact that they're only offering one race change token may be a greedy move, but honestly the race changes are not that extreme. It's an MMO, the meta is going to change and classes/races/skills are going to be tweaked - deal with it.0 -
Shalktonin✭✭✭BustyChicksFTW wrote: »That's it. And we all know it but we barely call them out.
The people that are left playing the game are people who take this game pretty seriously with 8+ toons over level 50. They have the numbers, they know the insane amount of dunmer DKs they have. They could have easily given 1 racial token per character over level 50, not 1 racial token per account.
They're literally trying to milk their remaining loyal customers. Race change tokens are extremely expensive. 30$CAD?
Maybe because your theory is jus that a tin foil hat theory and paranoid conspiracies are something i don't put much stock in.2 -
BustyChicksFTW✭✭✭Shalktonin wrote: »BustyChicksFTW wrote: »That's it. And we all know it but we barely call them out.
The people that are left playing the game are people who take this game pretty seriously with 8+ toons over level 50. They have the numbers, they know the insane amount of dunmer DKs they have. They could have easily given 1 racial token per character over level 50, not 1 racial token per account.
They're literally trying to milk their remaining loyal customers. Race change tokens are extremely expensive. 30$CAD?
Maybe because your theory is jus that a tin foil hat theory and paranoid conspiracies are something i don't put much stock in.
Then tell me a reason why they're not offering 1 per char instead of 1 per account.1 -
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✭✭✭I don't understand why so many people are supporting ZOS' position on this.
Literally all they have to do is allow players to change their races for free for a short amount of time to adjust their characters to these changes.7 -
BustyChicksFTW✭✭✭I don't understand why so many people are supporting ZOS' position on this.
Literally all they have to do is allow players to change their races for free for a short amount of time to adjust their characters to these changes.
There's absolutely no reason. I guess they're so used to defending ZOS that they see any form of criticism as an extreme attack on the company.
I'm not even asking for a reverse of the changes, I just want to be able to race change all my characters if those changes stay.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If you chase the meta, I'm sure every change that impacts races and classes feels like a microtransaction designed to milk customers. This one is worse than most, but its nothing new.
If you don't, its pretty easy to roll with the changes 99% of the time.3 -
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✭✭BustyChicksFTW wrote: »
@BustyChicksFTW Bosmer most certainly hasn't been killed off. In fact, their changes are actually some of the best. No more useless stealthy passive and arguably better stamina regen.Edited by LukosCreyden on January 17, 2019 4:36PMStruggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.2 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭Is no one going to adapt to the new changes ?
Are you all going to buy change tokens ?1 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »Is no one going to adapt to the new changes ?
Are you all going to buy change tokens ?
Most will adapt and not change, those most upset here are the ones who feel their "elite race min max status" ox has been gored.Edited by Skwor on January 17, 2019 4:42PM1 -
Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭Some people will always complain and find ways to call ZOS out for milking customers and other shady intentions. The changes are really good, well thought out, and even your mentioned "underperforming" races, bosmer and dunmer, are actually quite attractive for me now. Bosmer mobility is really nice and fits the theme, dunmer is nice for a hybrid class and I'm really happy I picked it for my DK so I can run both stam and mag build on him.
If you have problems with particular race, post them in the respective threads and provide constructive feedback why these said races are left behind. mimimi...0 -
firedrgn✭✭✭✭✭Puts in ri foil hat. People ha e been asking for this for a while. Some have been crying about it. I think its funny. What did they think was going ro happen. When my customers ask me to change i charge them
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BustyChicksFTW✭✭✭Still waiting for a reason why ZOS is giving 1 race token change per account and not per char above lvl 50.
Love how everyone is skipping over that.7
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