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New race change thoughts?
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My Khajiit Stamblade gets 750 Stam.
Woo...CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!4 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Link pls, i can't find it."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
―Ulrich Leland, 3E 4332 -
Left4Daud✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not happy about the wood elf changes. Their current passives were fine, they certainly didn’t need anything taken from them, which is what they got.3 -
JazzyNova✭✭✭✭I actually like the khajiit changes because my khajiit are mage toons, so I have no complaints with them getting bonus magicka and spell crit, lol, should be interesting to see more dunmer stamina toons as well.1 -
Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Fantastic job. I'm glad they got rid of %buffs. Now people can invest into different resource pools without becoming glass cannons.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Savos Saren0 -
Shewolf075✭✭✭What I got is a better representation of how Races are more defined in the world of Tamriel. Don't like the changes, then adapt to them as there are other ways to build up your character.1 -
Edaphon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Link pls, i can't find it.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453551/upcoming-racial-balance-changes-for-update-21/p11 -
Dracan_Fontom✭✭✭✭✭While the changes aren't horrible, I do feel like it will further cement certain few races at being the best at roles. I most certainly dislike giving races free weapon and spell damage.Edited by Dracan_Fontom on January 17, 2019 6:00AM1 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hahahaha haha I'm laughing so hard. While era wanted nerf Argonians, but this is not how balance works lol, I was telling you how this will end:Pitiful whiners, you really think they will nerf Argonians leaving Altmer, Bretons or Redguards untouched? Facepalm... With a chair. The mighty nerf hammer is OTW and no one will be safe thanks to you.
I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.1 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not much changed
Redguard is still the only viable stam DPS option. Redguard got a huge buff in recovery and damage,
Altmer is still the only viable mag DPS option
Dunmer got nerfed
Khajiit got nerfed
Nord and Orc got buffed
Beta tester November 20130 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not much changed
Redguard is still the only viable stam DPS option. Redguard got a huge buff in recovery and damage,
Altmer is still the only viable mag DPS option
Dunmer got nerfed
Khajiit got nerfed
Nord and Orc got buffed
Redguard damage got nerfed actually, they also lost their passive recovery. khajiit mages got buffed alot. Dunmer mag got gutted, I can agree. Breton looks promising, though may still get bested by altmer1 -
Pink_Violinz✭✭✭✭✭Well, all but one of my nine characters is getting nerfed, so I'm not exactly pleased.
My discord is still losing their minds over some of these changes. They made some races like wood elves and khajiit worse, while the meta races stayed put. Only thing I can say I'm happy about is the buff to breton and imperial.0 -
ll_Rev✭✭✭✭Not much changed
Redguard is still the only viable stam DPS option. Redguard got a huge buff in recovery and damage,
Altmer is still the only viable mag DPS option
Dunmer got nerfed
Khajiit got nerfed
Nord and Orc got buffed
orc didn't get buffed the brawny passive was a huge nerf.3 -
richo262✭✭✭✭✭
✭EP is in a worse place
EP
Argonian - Utility - Nerfed Moderately
Dunmer - Mag DPS - Nerfed Majorly, has lost an entire Magicka related skill, seems to be hybrid now
Nord - Tank - Slight improvement
DC
Orc - Stam DPS / Tank - Slight Nerf
Breton - Mag DPS - Moderate improvement
Redguard - Stam DPS - Still BIS
AD
Altmer - Mag DPS - Possibly the same
Woodelf - Stam DPS - Moderate Nerf
Kitteh - Stam DPS - Now can be Mag / Stam, hybrid now
Conclusion
EP Had no Stam DPS still, and now has no competitive Mag DPS, EP is just a collection of support races (tank / healer) with a Dunmer that can half ass any build now.
Edit: If you have a Dunmer, Woodelf or Orc, you may want a Race change. Orc should be fine, Woodelf too if you don't PVP. Dunmer seems to be hit the hardest.Edited by richo262 on January 17, 2019 6:53AM3 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭High Elf - Good changes all over the place. I'm finding it difficult to say anything negative about them.
Argonian - Again, good changes. I still don't understand why they want to make Argonians the healer class, lorewise they are not healers.
Wood Elf - Pretty good stuff. I can see Wood Elves becoming a lot more popular in PvP, especially if that 20% speed increase stacks with the major expedition from the bow. A bit OP even?
Breton - Much needed buff to the cost reduction racial. I will be changing my magplar main from Argonian to Breton.
Dark Elf - 3% Max Magicka → Increases your Max Health by 600. This is not a good change, makes no sense whatsoever, and 600 health is an insignificant amount to justify losing 3% magicka.
Imperial - New go to race for pvp, and tanking?
Khajiit - I feel like they're trying to make them a "trick of all trades" race, but lorewise they are not. Argonians would be better suited for this.
Nord - Are these nerfs? Look like it to me, and it honestly doesn't make any sense.
Orc - Brawny: 6% Max Health and Stamina → Increases your Max Health and Stamina by 500. That's an unnecessary nerf. I'm on board with the other 2 though.
Redguard - WUT? Redguard sustain was so good that if you were not playing a redguard as a stamina class, you were simply doing it wrong. And their solution to this was to make their sustain even better...WTH!Edited by MaxJrFTW on January 17, 2019 7:03AM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
―Ulrich Leland, 3E 4330 -
Chirru✭✭✭✭My Chars are either Bretons ...6 of them...or Norths...2 of them...
So yes...I am pleased.
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gepe87✭✭✭✭✭
✭Holy God Nerf Hammer.
Guess i will change my msorc dunmer. Rip all those dunmer magdk across Tamriel.Gepe, Dunmer MagSorc Pact Grand Overlord | Gaepe, Bosmer MagSorc Dominion General
If you see edits on my replies: typos. English isn't my main language2 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Fail, joke, nonsense, cashgrab, humiliation on elder scrolls core values - that's my thoughts.
I got redguard stamden and breton healer, btw, so it's not reaction to nerf, it's reaction to what was advertised to what was delivered.0 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How many sweeping across the board nerfs do we have to take before ZOS will address power creep specifically?
If you had a race with 10% max stamina or magicka, and your final build was around 40k magicka or stamina, then these changes are nerfing you by HALF. You will lose effectively 2000 of the 4000 resources in your max pool (39600/1.1) = 36,000 + 2000 = 38,000- If you ran a Breton or High Elf Magicka build with 40k magicka, you now have 38k magicka. I guess Magnus took his gift back.
- If you ran a Redguard Stamina damage build with 40k stamina, you now have lost effectively 200 weapon damage.
- If you ran a 50k health imperial tank, you now have 46.6k Health
This isn't "Balance" this is nerfing the top damage dealing builds in the game. This is the price of power creep and I am sick of paying it.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on January 17, 2019 8:10AM0 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭High Elf - Good changes all over the place. I'm finding it difficult to say anything negative about them.
Argonian - Again, good changes. I still don't understand why they want to make Argonians the healer class, lorewise they are not healers.
Wood Elf - Pretty good stuff. I can see Wood Elves becoming a lot more popular in PvP, especially if that 20% speed increase stacks with the major expedition from the bow. A bit OP even?
Breton - Much needed buff to the cost reduction racial. I will be changing my magplar main from Argonian to Breton.
Dark Elf - 3% Max Magicka → Increases your Max Health by 600. This is not a good change, makes no sense whatsoever, and 600 health is an insignificant amount to justify losing 3% magicka.
Imperial - New go to race for pvp, and tanking?
Khajiit - I feel like they're trying to make them a "trick of all trades" race, but lorewise they are not. Argonians would be better suited for this.
Nord - Are these nerfs? Look like it to me, and it honestly doesn't make any sense.
Orc - Brawny: 6% Max Health and Stamina → Increases your Max Health and Stamina by 500. That's an unnecessary nerf. I'm on board with the other 2 though.
Redguard - WUT? Redguard sustain was so good that if you were not playing a redguard as a stamina class, you were simply doing it wrong. And their solution to this was to make their sustain even better...WTH!
Plus BAM to the fire damage for Dunmer Magblade.0 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Holy God Nerf Hammer.
Guess i will change my msorc dunmer. Rip all those dunmer magdk across Tamriel.
I'll never feel sorry for meta chasers. Play what you like and how you like. If you're too high end player, you won't mind the grind to reroll, and if you're not top end, nerfs and buffs matter too little to you anyway.1 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, it helps my templar, however made sorcerer stamina and my warden healer an tank after the shield nerfs.JazzyNapkin wrote: »I actually like the khajiit changes because my khajiit are mage toons, so I have no complaints with them getting bonus magicka and spell crit, lol, should be interesting to see more dunmer stamina toons as well.
is an huge sustain nerf however. 75 recovery is so impressive.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Red_Feather✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭EP is in a worse place
EP
Argonian - Utility - Nerfed Moderately
Dunmer - Mag DPS - Nerfed Majorly, has lost an entire Magicka related skill, seems to be hybrid now
Nord - Tank - Slight improvement
DC
Orc - Stam DPS / Tank - Slight Nerf
Breton - Mag DPS - Moderate improvement
Redguard - Stam DPS - Still BIS
AD
Altmer - Mag DPS - Possibly the same
Woodelf - Stam DPS - Moderate Nerf
Kitteh - Stam DPS - Now can be Mag / Stam, hybrid now
Conclusion
EP Had no Stam DPS still, and now has no competitive Mag DPS, EP is just a collection of support races (tank / healer) with a Dunmer that can half ass any build now.
Edit: If you have a Dunmer, Woodelf or Orc, you may want a Race change. Orc should be fine, Woodelf too if you don't PVP. Dunmer seems to be hit the hardest.
That is what worries me the most.0 -
Carbonised✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Holy God Nerf Hammer.
Guess i will change my msorc dunmer. Rip all those dunmer magdk across Tamriel.
I'll never feel sorry for meta chasers. Play what you like and how you like. If you're too high end player, you won't mind the grind to reroll, and if you're not top end, nerfs and buffs matter too little to you anyway.
Meta chasers? Ive had my dunmer mdk for longer than you have played the game, and now zos trashed both dunmers and mdk damage. But thanks for the gloating!1 -
JaZ2091✭✭✭✭✭Hmm, I might get a few tokens during the next crown sale. Def not liking the Dark Elf for sure. RIP my beauty.0 -
Elwendryll✭✭✭✭✭
✭I was worried about the Khajiit regen. I just tried to input values in UESP. With my usual build, if I take out 10% skill regen, and I add 75 base regen, my regen goes from 1808 to 1845, so I have 37 more regen. With my pvp build, which uses bone pirate, I lose regen, from 2159 to 2158, yes, the difference is literally of 1. So... What Can I say? I need to do real testing on the pts, but it looks like the Khajiit have received a full buff, and there really isn't any downside (if we don't look at the health regen, and pve wise.).PC - EU - France - AD
Main character: Qojikrin - Khajiit Sorcerer Tank/Stamina DD - since March 25, 2015.
Guildmaster of Oriflamme: Focus on 4 player endgame content.
Member of Brave Cat Trade, Panda Division and Toadhuggers.
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Dracan_Fontom✭✭✭✭✭I'm slightly upset at the passives that give flat increases to Spell and Weapon damage. So upset I spent 2 and a half hours listing my own ideas for changes.
Shaneless Pug in
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453604/my-personal-idea-for-racial-balance#latest0
