Okay, it's official now (2019): no Spellcrafting in the near future

Finviuswe · January 2019

Didn't trick me because I care more about the idea of spellcraft rather than it's implementation I prefer more to discuss this

The only ones who can decide whether it is implemented or not is ZOS and they haven't spoken on this, am I wrong?

rynth · January 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

Rich just stated what they said back in 2015 or so: they are still thinking about doing it maybe but not in the near future.

RIP Spellcrafting

P.S.: what the hell is ZOS working on? Elsweyr offers less features than Morrowind or Summerset and none of the DlCs seems to add a significant gameplay update either.

Ertosi wrote: »

Like many, I consider the lack of Spellcrafting to be a pretty bad thing. It's one of the most requested features since the game came out, and certainly now is the most requested feature now that they're bringing Necromancers as a class.

But not having Spellcrafting isn't the worst thing. There was no mention at all of getting any new kind of crafting compared to the last two years which brought us jewelrycrafting and transmutation.

And there was no mention of getting any new kind of game system, like the previous years were we got the Outfitting system and Player Housing. And no, ui tweaks to the guild vendors and region maps doesn't count as a new feature.

Lack of new features and new systems is a sure sign of decline in a game.

You all realize that they have more to say what is upcoming at E3 as they stated during the live feed.

anadandy · January 2019

Ertosi wrote: »

And there was no mention of getting any new kind of game system, like the previous years were we got the Outfitting system and Player Housing.

I bet they consider the Guild Finder a new game system. That's something we've never had before (as opposed to an upgrade of an existing feature like the vendor changes)

GraphicArtistYT · January 2019

Lies

phairdon · January 2019

Hallelujah.

soniku4ikblis · January 2019

Ertosi wrote: »

Like many, I consider the lack of Spellcrafting to be a pretty bad thing. It's one of the most requested features since the game came out, and certainly now is the most requested feature now that they're bringing Necromancers as a class.

But not having Spellcrafting isn't the worst thing. There was no mention at all of getting any new kind of crafting compared to the last two years which brought us jewelrycrafting and transmutation.

And there was no mention of getting any new kind of game system, like the previous years were we got the Outfitting system and Player Housing. And no, ui tweaks to the guild vendors and region maps doesn't count as a new feature.

Lack of new features and new systems is a sure sign of decline in a game.

So, ZOS doesn't get a year to do performance upgrades? Rich talked about it.

Decline though? Yeah, no.

CipherNine · January 2019

If they do add Spellcraft will the be day I quit the game. The community already has an obsession with nonsensical meta's. Which has almost made me quit the game already. This would just make it a nightmare. ZOS likes to advertise this as a game with diversity which is not true at all.
You already have the idiotic belief that you have to be a certain race/class combo for roles cause the nonsense that racial passive actually matter more than they really do, Then you have to use certain gear. To get int any good Trial group. Spell-crafting would just add "no you have to use these crafted spells now too" on top of all that.

Ertosi · January 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

Rich just stated what they said back in 2015 or so: they are still thinking about doing it maybe but not in the near future.

He even used the same exact words "it's on the backburner" and something about it not being on their current road map.

Ertosi · January 2019

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

I really happy about necromancer but damn 2019 could of been the golden year. I was hyped because I expected massive changes to Cyrodiil and spellcrafting.... i might actually take a year off and start over as a necromancer once they really refresh the game and not just keep adding quests, trials and dungeons. I want more sand in the box aka more features and systems.

I hear you, and just unsubbed due to the lack of upcoming features. I'm happy for all of the players who wanted to play Necromancer forever, and hope it's done right for them, but a new class doesn't interest me at all. Besides the new class, they had nothing else of real substance for existing characters; not one new feature or system to bring to the table.

Ertosi · January 2019

anadandy wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

And there was no mention of getting any new kind of game system, like the previous years were we got the Outfitting system and Player Housing.

I bet they consider the Guild Finder a new game system. That's something we've never had before (as opposed to an upgrade of an existing feature like the vendor changes)

They probably do, but tweaks to the UI aren't a new feature by any means. Call it what they want, but there is just no way it compares to the Player Housing system of 2017 or Outfitting system of 2018. Plus, it's only a real boon for console players, and good for them cause they needed it, but it does nothing for me on PC as my mods already had it covered.

Ertosi · January 2019

soniku4ikblis wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Like many, I consider the lack of Spellcrafting to be a pretty bad thing. It's one of the most requested features since the game came out, and certainly now is the most requested feature now that they're bringing Necromancers as a class.

But not having Spellcrafting isn't the worst thing. There was no mention at all of getting any new kind of crafting compared to the last two years which brought us jewelrycrafting and transmutation.

And there was no mention of getting any new kind of game system, like the previous years were we got the Outfitting system and Player Housing. And no, ui tweaks to the guild vendors and region maps doesn't count as a new feature.

Lack of new features and new systems is a sure sign of decline in a game.

So, ZOS doesn't get a year to do performance upgrades? Rich talked about it.

But that's all they do each year, talk about it. They mention it once or twice, but then don't make good on it by taking real action. It's just the usual lip service without follow through.

joaaocaampos · January 2019

COME, ZOS!

2018: Summerset, Elven Hero return.
2019: Elsweyr, Breton Undead Hero return.
2020: Skyrim, Nord Hero return.

Skyrim + 2nd Season of the Dragon + College of Winterhold + Spellcrafting!

OtarTheMad · January 2019

Like I've said, they should just take the spells from spellcrafting and make them into skill lines/classes.

yodased · January 2019

1. Seperation of imperial city from open world pvp.
2. Necromancer class
3. New 5 boss full trial with hardmode on each boss.
4. Two new overlapping dungeon leading to a new type of encounter.
5. Adding necro awareness to pve npc, overarching justice system.
6. New zone with lore.
7. Introducing dragons from lore.
8. Racial balancing pass.

That is in the first 6 months of this year.

Iluvrien · January 2019

Really disappointed about this.

I've been waiting since 2014 to see spellcrafting.

Instead we get the one class I absolutely didn't want to see.

The rest of the announcement was great (although the racial passives thing has yet to come out) but these two things soured me a bit.

Ertosi · January 2019

yodased wrote: »

1. Seperation of imperial city from open world pvp.
2. Necromancer class
3. New 5 boss full trial with hardmode on each boss.
4. Two new overlapping dungeon leading to a new type of encounter.
5. Adding necro awareness to pve npc, overarching justice system.
6. New zone with lore.
7. Introducing dragons from lore.
8. Racial balancing pass.

That is in the first 6 months of this year.

1. Seperation of imperial city from open world pvp - they're removing it from each individual campaign and making it its own campaign. That's a good thing for IC, but less is still less and merely indicates they recognized it was a dead zone.
2. Necromancer class - We've gotten a class or solo Skill line the last two years.
3. New 5 boss full trial with hardmode on each boss. - we get new trials every year
4. Two new overlapping dungeon leading to a new type of encounter - So "story" is a feature now? Good storytelling has always been a part of ESO, it suddenly being an underlined feature shows they've got little else on the table.
5. Adding necro awareness to pve npc, overarching justice system - just part of #1, cool but not a feature
6. New zone with lore - we get lore with every new zone, we get new zones every year
7. Introducing dragons from lore - a boss by a different name is still just a boss. Just the dolmens/geysers of the area
8. Racial balancing pass - we still have no idea if they're going to do it right or remove all real distinction between the races
9. Where's the new crafting system? - 2017 brought us Transmutation; 2018 brought us Jewelrycrafting.
10. Where's the new game system? - 2017 brought us the Player Housing System; 2018 brought us the Outfitting System

That is a massive amount of fluff for much less real content than previous years' first 6 months.

Faulgor · January 2019

Yeah, as I expected, but still impossibly disappointed.

Canceled my sub. Give me a call when you intend to add some depth to this game, Rich, will you?

Urvoth · January 2019

Cries wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Rich just stated what they said back in 2015 or so: they are still thinking about doing it maybe but not in the near future.

RIP Spellcrafting

P.S.: what the hell is ZOS working on? Elsweyr offers less features than Morrowind or Summerset and none of the DlCs seems to add a significant gameplay update either.

Rich did say they are attempting some performance fixes so maybe they did listen and that is taking the place of some of the playable content.

Hopefully so, because if they aren't working on performance fixes then what ARE they working on? Because without new features, this is looking like their weakest year yet. Looking at what was added in the last two years helps put it into perspective:

They didn't really say anything about Q3 or Q4 so graphs like this are a bit unfair.

Not really since the only content in those graphs that didn't come out in Q1 or Q2 is Transmutation.

Bam_Bam · January 2019

No ETA? Fantastic - pretty much confirms it will never be a feature. Maybe the penny has finally dropped and they realise that game performance is far more important than some gimmick.

Seraphayel · January 2019

yodased wrote: »

1. Seperation of imperial city from open world pvp.
2. Necromancer class
3. New 5 boss full trial with hardmode on each boss.
4. Two new overlapping dungeon leading to a new type of encounter.
5. Adding necro awareness to pve npc, overarching justice system.
6. New zone with lore.
7. Introducing dragons from lore.
8. Racial balancing pass.

That is in the first 6 months of this year.

There's just one feature and it's 2. All the other things are NO features to advertise a Chapter (or expansion) with.

yodased · January 2019

The level of negativity is insane in this small corner of the playerbase.

We do not get full trials every year.we have gotten two mini trials and an arena. This is a new take on trials.

Removing ic from main world pvp will give you actual pop caps and more than likely will increase overworld performance.

Adding necro awareness to npcs is a new system, even if you dont like it.

So, basically the people who are butt hurt they dont get a system that would allow them to break the game are crying about it.

Also saying "we get that in other updates" is dumb, so because you have seen something along the same lines, this update fails? Why do you need new systemsor crafting or whatever on every update? You are that bored with the game the only thing that would keep you is another massive grind fest for something you would get bored with soon anyway?

Silly arguments.

Iluvrien · January 2019

yodased wrote: »

The level of negativity is insane in this small corner of the playerbase.

We do not get full trials every year.we have gotten two mini trials and an arena. This is a new take on trials.

Removing ic from main world pvp will give you actual pop caps and more than likely will increase overworld performance.

Adding necro awareness to npcs is a new system, even if you dont like it.

So, basically the people who are butt hurt they dont get a system that would allow them to break the game are crying about it.

Also saying "we get that in other updates" is dumb, so because you have seen something along the same lines, this update fails? Why do you need new systemsor crafting or whatever on every update? You are that bored with the game the only thing that would keep you is another massive grind fest for something you would get bored with soon anyway?

Silly arguments.

Why would people get bored with new crafting systems soon? You might. Why would you assume everyone else does?

Here's a hint: You don't get to decide what is important to other people. Ever.

XomRhoK · January 2019

yodased wrote: »

The level of negativity is insane in this small corner of the playerbase.

We do not get full trials every year.we have gotten two mini trials and an arena. This is a new take on trials.

Removing ic from main world pvp will give you actual pop caps and more than likely will increase overworld performance.

Adding necro awareness to npcs is a new system, even if you dont like it.

So, basically the people who are butt hurt they dont get a system that would allow them to break the game are crying about it.

Also saying "we get that in other updates" is dumb, so because you have seen something along the same lines, this update fails? Why do you need new systemsor crafting or whatever on every update? You are that bored with the game the only thing that would keep you is another massive grind fest for something you would get bored with soon anyway?

Silly arguments.

I think no one denies that they announced good, needed improvements and some features. As i understand situation it's about cost of the Chapter vs new features in it. If you don't want to create new character you will get only story(begginig of the story for separate price tag in Q1 DLC) in hyped zone with hyped enemies for 40$. And this intensifies because of the 5th anniversary expectation, warmed up by devs.

Darlon · January 2019

rynth wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Rich just stated what they said back in 2015 or so: they are still thinking about doing it maybe but not in the near future.

RIP Spellcrafting

P.S.: what the hell is ZOS working on? Elsweyr offers less features than Morrowind or Summerset and none of the DlCs seems to add a significant gameplay update either.

Ertosi wrote: »

Like many, I consider the lack of Spellcrafting to be a pretty bad thing. It's one of the most requested features since the game came out, and certainly now is the most requested feature now that they're bringing Necromancers as a class.

But not having Spellcrafting isn't the worst thing. There was no mention at all of getting any new kind of crafting compared to the last two years which brought us jewelrycrafting and transmutation.

And there was no mention of getting any new kind of game system, like the previous years were we got the Outfitting system and Player Housing. And no, ui tweaks to the guild vendors and region maps doesn't count as a new feature.

Lack of new features and new systems is a sure sign of decline in a game.

You all realize that they have more to say what is upcoming at E3 as they stated during the live feed.

Anything they say at E3 is not part of Elsweyr, but of something that comes later, since E3 is after thye Elsweyr release date...

Tandor · January 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

I find it astounding that so many dislike a feature that could shake up the entire combat in this gam (which is highly necessary).

Balance has always been an issue and will always be an issue, with or without Spellcrafting.

It's not really astounding, given that many players will doubtless question your contention that shaking up the entire combat in the game is highly necessary.

Katahdin · January 2019

They are also adding in game guild search and guild store search function.

Store search functionality has been much requested and sorely needed.

For us PC players we should be able to get rid of one large addon which will be a good thing.

I agree with the person who said that spell crafting, if ever implemented will not be what you think or want it to be.
A system like what is normally seen in single player games will be to OP and unbalanced in an MMO.

It would probably be a spell system similar to alchemy IMO.

It would also create even more calculations for the server to handle. Not exactly what we need.

Darkstorne · January 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

1. Seperation of imperial city from open world pvp.
2. Necromancer class
3. New 5 boss full trial with hardmode on each boss.
4. Two new overlapping dungeon leading to a new type of encounter.
5. Adding necro awareness to pve npc, overarching justice system.
6. New zone with lore.
7. Introducing dragons from lore.
8. Racial balancing pass.

That is in the first 6 months of this year.

There's just one feature and it's 2. All the other things are NO features to advertise a Chapter (or expansion) with.

To be fair, I'd say the Cyrodiil changes are pretty big as a whole (Imperial City subzone, Daedric artifact system, performance boost), but most people don't consider that a big factor because PVE is more popular. For Cyrodiil-focused players though, this year has a lot of potential.

It's also worth noting that Trials players are likely to have a much better time this year than they did with Summerset's lacklustre Trial.

I don't think we should mind if there are fewer "new" systems than previous Chapters. So long as what they provide is robust and enjoyable (large well designed zone, great story, interesting new class with justice integration, great new trial, new Cyrodiil additions) then I'll happily take quality over quantity.

jircris11 · January 2019

Spell crafting would be a very hard thing to implement sadly.

MyKillv2.0 · January 2019

Judging by the developer's reaction last night.... Spellcrafting will be introduced into the game after imperfect malestrom weapons drop from normal ma...

BigBadVolk · January 2019

kirgeo wrote: »

There will never be perfect balance. Hopefully they look into adding it someday.

You just made Thanos sad