no CP increase = no late game
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✭They'll still add harder trials to progress. You just won't have as much of an advantage.Xbox NA healer main
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✭✭✭✭✭If you've already done everything... why do you want more champion points.. what good will they do you?
Nothing, they just want endless points to chase. They should replace CP with "Extra super duper special points" except these new points do nothing. But you get a little pop up on the screen saying "You got another point! you are so special" That way these meaningless progression people would stay happy and the rest of us won't have to deal with the nightmares that power creep creates.18 -
Soundles1990✭✭✭Zerowaffles wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Soundles1990 wrote: »Well then dont increase the CP Cap but i need something else to get my character stronger!
Numbers don't make you stronger skill does
CP should be all around removed or reworked
Of course you miss the obvious, the most skilled players will have the most CP, there is a relationship. Also CP does in fact make you stronger otherwise no one would be making such a fuss about it, there would be no power creep if what you said was true.
The number of high skilled players with no CP is very small indeed so what exactly is your point?
You could have the best CP setup in the world and the best build in the world but if you don't know how to use any of it none of it matters and a cp300 player that knows what they are doing can easily destroy you.
I've seen it many times happen from people who make second accounts just to go around making CP capped PvPers salty
Like i said i need both individual skill and character progression. I respect every player who just wants to do story and achievements. I also do enjoy that content. but i hunger for more. And there are many players like me out there.
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✭✭✭Zerowaffles wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Soundles1990 wrote: »Well then dont increase the CP Cap but i need something else to get my character stronger!
Numbers don't make you stronger skill does
CP should be all around removed or reworked
Of course you miss the obvious, the most skilled players will have the most CP, there is a relationship. Also CP does in fact make you stronger otherwise no one would be making such a fuss about it, there would be no power creep if what you said was true.
The number of high skilled players with no CP is very small indeed so what exactly is your point?
You could have the best CP setup in the world and the best build in the world but if you don't know how to use any of it none of it matters and a cp300 player that knows what they are doing can easily destroy you.
I've seen it many times happen from people who make second accounts just to go around making CP capped PvPers salty
Extremes do not make for a good argument, of course everything you stated is true but it is a case of special pleading. Fact is the generic ESO player with max CP is more likely to be skilled than the player with No CP or low CP. In general they will have had more playetime, ergo more expereince, ergo more likely to have learned about thier class.
By the way, in your argument about alt accounts you neglect the fact that they have indeed already earned a ton of CP, they just chose to play a low level character to hide it. This actually supports my argument, not yours.
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Onebitsoul✭✭✭Zerowaffles wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Soundles1990 wrote: »Well then dont increase the CP Cap but i need something else to get my character stronger!
Numbers don't make you stronger skill does
CP should be all around removed or reworked
Of course you miss the obvious, the most skilled players will have the most CP, there is a relationship. Also CP does in fact make you stronger otherwise no one would be making such a fuss about it, there would be no power creep if what you said was true.
The number of high skilled players with no CP is very small indeed so what exactly is your point?
You could have the best CP setup in the world and the best build in the world but if you don't know how to use any of it none of it matters and a cp300 player that knows what they are doing can easily destroy you.
I've seen it many times happen from people who make second accounts just to go around making CP capped PvPers salty
Extremes do not make for a good argument, of course everything you stated is true but it is a case of special pleading. Fact is the generic ESO player with max CP is more likely to be skilled than the player with No CP or low CP. In general they will have had more playetime, ergo more expereince, ergo more likely to have learned about thier class.
By the way, in your argument about alt accounts you neglect the fact that they have indeed already earned a ton of CP, they just chose to play a low level character to hide it. This actually supports my argument, not yours.
Why does it matter if someone has earned a lot of CP on another account? The point is that on the alt they don't have any of that and can still play just was well.2 -
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✭This is why you don't play theme park mmorpgs if all you care about is end game and being top level and getting more levels...in the end your experience will always be hallow
Just my view on the matter, given there willl always bee new things added for the top level so if your only here or playing any mmo just for thje levels you will always be sadenm3 -
soniku4ikblis✭✭✭I'm curious. Describe an idea of vertical progression as it pertains to TESO. Let's have that discussion too.__._-*._._._.-*'"{Sonic Euphoric Bliss}"'*-._._._.*-_.__0 -
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✭✭✭Onebitsoul wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Soundles1990 wrote: »Well then dont increase the CP Cap but i need something else to get my character stronger!
Numbers don't make you stronger skill does
CP should be all around removed or reworked
Of course you miss the obvious, the most skilled players will have the most CP, there is a relationship. Also CP does in fact make you stronger otherwise no one would be making such a fuss about it, there would be no power creep if what you said was true.
The number of high skilled players with no CP is very small indeed so what exactly is your point?
You could have the best CP setup in the world and the best build in the world but if you don't know how to use any of it none of it matters and a cp300 player that knows what they are doing can easily destroy you.
I've seen it many times happen from people who make second accounts just to go around making CP capped PvPers salty
Extremes do not make for a good argument, of course everything you stated is true but it is a case of special pleading. Fact is the generic ESO player with max CP is more likely to be skilled than the player with No CP or low CP. In general they will have had more playetime, ergo more expereince, ergo more likely to have learned about thier class.
By the way, in your argument about alt accounts you neglect the fact that they have indeed already earned a ton of CP, they just chose to play a low level character to hide it. This actually supports my argument, not yours.
Why does it matter if someone has earned a lot of CP on another account? The point is that on the alt they don't have any of that and can still play just was well.
Becuase they learned to play... they earned CP as they did so in fact they are high CP players just on an account with low CP. I stated earlier high CP is a relationship to skill, they have skill and they have an account with high CP, they are chosing to play an account with low CP. So you can not try to imply in your current argument that a player with no CP ( meaning they have not earned any, implying that have not played much) are likely to be just as skilled as a high CP player.Edited by Skwor on January 16, 2019 3:04AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Soundles1990 wrote: »So why should i continue playing this game ? I already have achieved everything. There is nothing to do now to progress.
All you care about is level progression in a game that focuses heavily on story and exploration?CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭Soundles1990 wrote: »So why should i continue playing this game ? I already have achieved everything. There is nothing to do now to progress.
All you care about is level progression in a game that focuses heavily on story and exploration?
There is another name for that type of entertainment, it is a bit arcane so maybe you have not heard of it.
It is called a book. They are much cheaper than ESO and for storytelling most tend to be far superior.Edited by Skwor on January 16, 2019 3:07AM8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Onebitsoul wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Soundles1990 wrote: »Well then dont increase the CP Cap but i need something else to get my character stronger!
Numbers don't make you stronger skill does
CP should be all around removed or reworked
Of course you miss the obvious, the most skilled players will have the most CP, there is a relationship. Also CP does in fact make you stronger otherwise no one would be making such a fuss about it, there would be no power creep if what you said was true.
The number of high skilled players with no CP is very small indeed so what exactly is your point?
You could have the best CP setup in the world and the best build in the world but if you don't know how to use any of it none of it matters and a cp300 player that knows what they are doing can easily destroy you.
I've seen it many times happen from people who make second accounts just to go around making CP capped PvPers salty
Extremes do not make for a good argument, of course everything you stated is true but it is a case of special pleading. Fact is the generic ESO player with max CP is more likely to be skilled than the player with No CP or low CP. In general they will have had more playetime, ergo more expereince, ergo more likely to have learned about thier class.
By the way, in your argument about alt accounts you neglect the fact that they have indeed already earned a ton of CP, they just chose to play a low level character to hide it. This actually supports my argument, not yours.
Why does it matter if someone has earned a lot of CP on another account? The point is that on the alt they don't have any of that and can still play just was well.
Becuase they learned to play... they earned CP as they did so in fact they are high CP players just on an account with low CP. I stated earlier high CP is a relationship to skill, they have skill and they have an account with high CP, they are chosing to play an account with low CP. So you can not try to imply in your current argumanet that a player with no CP ( meaning they have not earned any, implying that have not played much) are likely to be just as skilled as a high CP player.
Got back, hope I can post before dc again.
You're absolutely right Skwor. I have two accounts. i've not played long (bit over 6 months) but the amount of skill I've acquired in those months means that the girls on my second account, low level as they are at this point - are NOT at the disadvantage (even with my satellite lag) that my first girls were last June.
It's - kind of a big deal really.Edited by Sylvermynx on January 16, 2019 3:18AM0 -
RedGirl41✭✭✭✭theres a chance they will bring cp increase back once they have figured out what to do with the cp trees. clearly there are problems2
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✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Well.... I play MMOs (as well as SPMR games) for that "glorified novel". And I have the money to do so. My experience in this situation is far more important to me (as a long time RP gamer - since the pen and paper games in the mid-70s) than your need to progress to ever higher levels.
However, I do have to say that I really prefer the WoW and RIFT version of progression, which is higher levels rather than some totally abstruse thing like CP. I can always get my mind around levels. So far, CP is leaving me saying "LOLWUT???"
Nothing about vertical progression effects the rp story of this game. At all. The game is painfully easy.1 -
Zerowaffles✭✭✭Onebitsoul wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Soundles1990 wrote: »Well then dont increase the CP Cap but i need something else to get my character stronger!
Numbers don't make you stronger skill does
CP should be all around removed or reworked
Of course you miss the obvious, the most skilled players will have the most CP, there is a relationship. Also CP does in fact make you stronger otherwise no one would be making such a fuss about it, there would be no power creep if what you said was true.
The number of high skilled players with no CP is very small indeed so what exactly is your point?
You could have the best CP setup in the world and the best build in the world but if you don't know how to use any of it none of it matters and a cp300 player that knows what they are doing can easily destroy you.
I've seen it many times happen from people who make second accounts just to go around making CP capped PvPers salty
Extremes do not make for a good argument, of course everything you stated is true but it is a case of special pleading. Fact is the generic ESO player with max CP is more likely to be skilled than the player with No CP or low CP. In general they will have had more playetime, ergo more expereince, ergo more likely to have learned about thier class.
By the way, in your argument about alt accounts you neglect the fact that they have indeed already earned a ton of CP, they just chose to play a low level character to hide it. This actually supports my argument, not yours.
Why does it matter if someone has earned a lot of CP on another account? The point is that on the alt they don't have any of that and can still play just was well.
Becuase they learned to play... they earned CP as they did so in fact they are high CP players just on an account with low CP. I stated earlier high CP is a relationship to skill, they have skill and they have an account with high CP, they are chosing to play an account with low CP. So you can not try to imply in your current argument that a player with no CP ( meaning they have not earned any, implying that have not played much) are likely to be just as skilled as a high CP player.
High CP has nothing to do with skill my dude. Skill differs from person to person and someone that wants to get better at the game will get better at the game even if they aren't CP capped and will easily out perform casual players.
Just go to Cyrodiil today and you'll see zergs of CP capped players running around like mindless blobs chasing around 1 person, those people choose not to get better. In the duelling PvP communities tho you'll see plenty of new 400cp players that are actively trying to get better by the day and manage to kill the majority of players.
Although yes a skilled CP capped player will kill a skilled low CP capped player that is a given
but that doesn't mean CP makes you better neither does game time If all you do in the game is PvE and Cyrodiil zergingEdited by Zerowaffles on January 16, 2019 3:20AM5 -
Soundles1990✭✭✭If a maxed out skilled cp player can easily beat a skilled 400 cp player.. then CP levels do matter loool...0
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✭No CP increase? Rather you have to yet earn those typical 30 CP or you are already well beyond those and get them instantly doesn't really matter. Those extra CP actually show some form of vertical progression. I could add those to my green tree, allowing my mag characters to be able to dodge roll, break free, etc. more. To me it would make the characters seem more versatile; it would show a form of progression... no matter how minuscule it actually is. I guess I just cant really get on board with their decision on this one.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Well.... I play MMOs (as well as SPMR games) for that "glorified novel". And I have the money to do so. My experience in this situation is far more important to me (as a long time RP gamer - since the pen and paper games in the mid-70s) than your need to progress to ever higher levels.
However, I do have to say that I really prefer the WoW and RIFT version of progression, which is higher levels rather than some totally abstruse thing like CP. I can always get my mind around levels. So far, CP is leaving me saying "LOLWUT???"
Nothing about vertical progression effects the rp story of this game. At all. The game is painfully easy.
It's not "painfully easy" for me. I have at minimum 2000 ms lag. That means NOTHING is easy.
Yeah, I understand that my connection means I'm at a disadvantage - however, when I quit WoW in 2013 (using the same connect I have now, though now my speed is about twice what it was then), I didn't have the issues there that I have in this game.
It's a bummer. I LOVE TES. And truthfully I love ESO. But this game stresses the only connection I have, to the point where nothing is easy.
You want to see how "not easy" it is for me? Be happy to have you drop by sometime. You might want to wait until June or July.... and I don't have AC so you might not be real comfortable. But I can get you a hotel room an 80 mile round trip from my house. Or if you want to see some really great stage performances (Shakespeare or modern playwrights) you can stay the 140 mile round trip.
I'll feed you well. And you can watch me deal with satellite lag in the back of beyond.
Now, I do have to say - I deal with the lag because I love the game. But everyone just blows off those of us with marginal situations/connections - who love the game and do our best to play anyway. Not to mention that I more than pay my way (just me, don't know about everyone else).
As for vert progression - I actually have always preferred that. Then again, I don't have an optimal game situation, so perhaps if I did, that horizontal progression might be fine. Somehow.... considering all the games I've played since 1985.... I kind of think my personal answer there is "nope".3 -
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✭✭✭Zerowaffles wrote: »Onebitsoul wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Soundles1990 wrote: »Well then dont increase the CP Cap but i need something else to get my character stronger!
Numbers don't make you stronger skill does
CP should be all around removed or reworked
Of course you miss the obvious, the most skilled players will have the most CP, there is a relationship. Also CP does in fact make you stronger otherwise no one would be making such a fuss about it, there would be no power creep if what you said was true.
The number of high skilled players with no CP is very small indeed so what exactly is your point?
You could have the best CP setup in the world and the best build in the world but if you don't know how to use any of it none of it matters and a cp300 player that knows what they are doing can easily destroy you.
I've seen it many times happen from people who make second accounts just to go around making CP capped PvPers salty
Extremes do not make for a good argument, of course everything you stated is true but it is a case of special pleading. Fact is the generic ESO player with max CP is more likely to be skilled than the player with No CP or low CP. In general they will have had more playetime, ergo more expereince, ergo more likely to have learned about thier class.
By the way, in your argument about alt accounts you neglect the fact that they have indeed already earned a ton of CP, they just chose to play a low level character to hide it. This actually supports my argument, not yours.
Why does it matter if someone has earned a lot of CP on another account? The point is that on the alt they don't have any of that and can still play just was well.
Becuase they learned to play... they earned CP as they did so in fact they are high CP players just on an account with low CP. I stated earlier high CP is a relationship to skill, they have skill and they have an account with high CP, they are chosing to play an account with low CP. So you can not try to imply in your current argument that a player with no CP ( meaning they have not earned any, implying that have not played much) are likely to be just as skilled as a high CP player.
High CP has nothing to do with skill my dude. Skill differs from person to person and someone that wants to get better at the game will get better at the game even if they aren't CP capped and will easily out perform casual players.
Just go to Cyrodiil today and you'll see zergs of CP capped players running around like mindless blobs chasing around 1 person, those people choose not to get better. In the duelling PvP communities tho you'll see plenty of new 400cp players that are actively trying to get better by the day and manage to kill the majority of players.
Although yes a skilled CP capped player will kill a skilled low CP capped player that is a given
but that doesn't mean CP makes you better neither does game time If all you do in the game is PvE and Cyrodiil zerging
Stop being so obtuse. You achieved skill in this game by playing it, most likely alot. As you played you earned CP again you probably have a good amount. It is a simple premise, a person with high CP is more likely to be skilled. That is all I am saying. Yet you argue otherwise?
Please do so then, tell me how a person achieves high skill without a good amount of playtime and not earn CP?5 -
Soundles1990✭✭✭Its like a swordsman vs gunner. A swordsman could easily kill a gunner, if the swordsman is much more skilled and the gunner is bad at aiming. But if the gunner is precise then he would easily kill the swordsman before he can reach his enemy0
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✭✭Ever try to get that new gear? Ever try to beat that tough new content? There’s more to progression than levels. And if you’ve invested much into this game, you’re probably past or near the next cap anyway, which means you aren’t progressing in levels regardless.2013
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Zerowaffles✭✭✭Zerowaffles wrote: »Onebitsoul wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Zerowaffles wrote: »Soundles1990 wrote: »Well then dont increase the CP Cap but i need something else to get my character stronger!
Numbers don't make you stronger skill does
CP should be all around removed or reworked
Of course you miss the obvious, the most skilled players will have the most CP, there is a relationship. Also CP does in fact make you stronger otherwise no one would be making such a fuss about it, there would be no power creep if what you said was true.
The number of high skilled players with no CP is very small indeed so what exactly is your point?
You could have the best CP setup in the world and the best build in the world but if you don't know how to use any of it none of it matters and a cp300 player that knows what they are doing can easily destroy you.
I've seen it many times happen from people who make second accounts just to go around making CP capped PvPers salty
Extremes do not make for a good argument, of course everything you stated is true but it is a case of special pleading. Fact is the generic ESO player with max CP is more likely to be skilled than the player with No CP or low CP. In general they will have had more playetime, ergo more expereince, ergo more likely to have learned about thier class.
By the way, in your argument about alt accounts you neglect the fact that they have indeed already earned a ton of CP, they just chose to play a low level character to hide it. This actually supports my argument, not yours.
Why does it matter if someone has earned a lot of CP on another account? The point is that on the alt they don't have any of that and can still play just was well.
Becuase they learned to play... they earned CP as they did so in fact they are high CP players just on an account with low CP. I stated earlier high CP is a relationship to skill, they have skill and they have an account with high CP, they are chosing to play an account with low CP. So you can not try to imply in your current argument that a player with no CP ( meaning they have not earned any, implying that have not played much) are likely to be just as skilled as a high CP player.
High CP has nothing to do with skill my dude. Skill differs from person to person and someone that wants to get better at the game will get better at the game even if they aren't CP capped and will easily out perform casual players.
Just go to Cyrodiil today and you'll see zergs of CP capped players running around like mindless blobs chasing around 1 person, those people choose not to get better. In the duelling PvP communities tho you'll see plenty of new 400cp players that are actively trying to get better by the day and manage to kill the majority of players.
Although yes a skilled CP capped player will kill a skilled low CP capped player that is a given
but that doesn't mean CP makes you better neither does game time If all you do in the game is PvE and Cyrodiil zerging
Stop being so obtuse. You achieved skill in this game by playing it, most likely alot. As you played you earned CP again you probably have a good amount. It is a simple premise, a person with high CP is more likely to be skilled. That is all I am saying. Yet you argue otherwise?
Please do so then, tell me how a person achieves high skill without a good amount of playtime and not earn CP?
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✭✭✭TheCabbageborn wrote: »
A bit presumptuous don’t you think. They absolutly never said they were removing CP or vertical progresssion. So maybe I should be saying bye to you?4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Soundles1990 wrote: »So why should i continue playing this game ? I already have achieved everything. There is nothing to do now to progress.
The slight CP increase every 3 months is a pretty sad reason to play.
Granted, man have cleared the latest arena on vet and all the vet trials but we will get a new vet trial, a real trial, and probably an arena type addition so you will have more achievements to work on.
Edited by idk on January 16, 2019 3:38AM7
