Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The whole selfish vs. unselfish argument is ancient and almost meme-territory at this point. An additional 2K health isn’t going to save an idiot dps from standing in the red, nor does it matter for beans in Trials. The only ‘support’ necessary for a tank would be Warhorn and your taunts and debuffs (crusher enchant is not even required anymore). Damage ceiling is now so high in the game that most traditional support sets—SPC—are just pouring gasoline on an inferno. So you kill the boss 2s faster than you would otherwise. Good for you I guess, though if you’re not chasing a leaderboard all that min/maxing was a waste of time.

Unless you’re in a highly organized group that can discount every variable of player competence and composition, gearing for survival almost always works out in your (the tank’s) favour.

Real “God Mode” still remains Bahraha’s/ Malubeth/ Whatever combo. Wear that and you can solo every boss in the game that doesn’t have an enrage timer and take your sweet time rezzing all the derpy-deeps that you’ve queued with through AF.

And yet all end game trial tanks wear ebon, stating that they've seen DD:s recover from under 1k health multiple times without dying...

Your presumption that end game tanks consist entirely of people who run Trials is pretty reductionist and myopic (and hilariously misguided). Expected, given your history.

Can you give me one other competitive end game activity in ESO besides trials for tanks?

Yeah you are completely right, given my history of being right, I will most likely be right this time as well

Wow. Try some humility because you don’t wear arrogance well:

Four man Vet Achievements (best done with 3 DDs and a self-sufficient tank)
Four man Trials
VDSA (yes, I’ve done flawless on a blazplar tank)
PvP
Imperial City PvP

But yeah, no real competitive “end game” content. It’s not like any of those activities have leaderboards or competition or other players trying to unseat you...Oh wait...Smh.

Royaji wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The whole selfish vs. unselfish argument is ancient and almost meme-territory at this point. An additional 2K health isn’t going to save an idiot dps from standing in the red, nor does it matter for beans in Trials. The only ‘support’ necessary for a tank would be Warhorn and your taunts and debuffs (crusher enchant is not even required anymore). Damage ceiling is now so high in the game that most traditional support sets—SPC—are just pouring gasoline on an inferno. So you kill the boss 2s faster than you would otherwise. Good for you I guess, though if you’re not chasing a leaderboard all that min/maxing was a waste of time.

Unless you’re in a highly organized group that can discount every variable of player competence and composition, gearing for survival almost always works out in your (the tank’s) favour.

Real “God Mode” still remains Bahraha’s/ Malubeth/ Whatever combo. Wear that and you can solo every boss in the game that doesn’t have an enrage timer and take your sweet time rezzing all the derpy-deeps that you’ve queued with through AF.

And yet all end game trial tanks wear ebon, stating that they've seen DD:s recover from under 1k health multiple times without dying...

Your presumption that end game tanks consist entirely of people who run Trials is pretty reductionist and myopic (and hilariously misguided). Expected, given your history.

Can you give me one other competitive end game activity in ESO besides trials for tanks?

Yeah you are completely right, given my history of being right, I will most likely be right this time as well

Wow. Try some humility because you don’t wear arrogance well:

Four man Vet Achievements (best done with 3 DDs and a self-sufficient tank)
Four man Trials
VDSA (yes, I’ve done flawless on a blazplar tank)
PvP
Imperial City PvP

But yeah, no real competitive “end game” content. It’s not like any of those activities have leaderboards or competition or other players trying to unseat you...Oh wait...Smh.

Pretty sure you are being a bit arrogant yourself.

All score runs in PvE content (even with 3 DDs) are done with tanks in Olorime, PA, War Machine and so on. At one time NMG was BiS for a tank in vDSA score run. Selfish tanks have place in some of the no-death achievement runs but that's about it and for example in MHK it is better to bring a healer for those.

And bringing PvP into this is just laughable.

You typify everything that’s indecent about end-game mentality and players by handwaving away a type of content that doesn’t suit your agenda or support your argument. Another one for the block list. Moving on.

Royaji wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The whole selfish vs. unselfish argument is ancient and almost meme-territory at this point. An additional 2K health isn’t going to save an idiot dps from standing in the red, nor does it matter for beans in Trials. The only ‘support’ necessary for a tank would be Warhorn and your taunts and debuffs (crusher enchant is not even required anymore). Damage ceiling is now so high in the game that most traditional support sets—SPC—are just pouring gasoline on an inferno. So you kill the boss 2s faster than you would otherwise. Good for you I guess, though if you’re not chasing a leaderboard all that min/maxing was a waste of time.

Unless you’re in a highly organized group that can discount every variable of player competence and composition, gearing for survival almost always works out in your (the tank’s) favour.

Real “God Mode” still remains Bahraha’s/ Malubeth/ Whatever combo. Wear that and you can solo every boss in the game that doesn’t have an enrage timer and take your sweet time rezzing all the derpy-deeps that you’ve queued with through AF.

And yet all end game trial tanks wear ebon, stating that they've seen DD:s recover from under 1k health multiple times without dying...

Your presumption that end game tanks consist entirely of people who run Trials is pretty reductionist and myopic (and hilariously misguided). Expected, given your history.

Can you give me one other competitive end game activity in ESO besides trials for tanks?

Yeah you are completely right, given my history of being right, I will most likely be right this time as well

Wow. Try some humility because you don’t wear arrogance well:

Four man Vet Achievements (best done with 3 DDs and a self-sufficient tank)
Four man Trials
VDSA (yes, I’ve done flawless on a blazplar tank)
PvP
Imperial City PvP

But yeah, no real competitive “end game” content. It’s not like any of those activities have leaderboards or competition or other players trying to unseat you...Oh wait...Smh.

Pretty sure you are being a bit arrogant yourself.

All score runs in PvE content (even with 3 DDs) are done with tanks in Olorime, PA, War Machine and so on. At one time NMG was BiS for a tank in vDSA score run. Selfish tanks have place in some of the no-death achievement runs but that's about it and for example in MHK it is better to bring a healer for those.

And bringing PvP into this is just laughable.

You typify everything that’s indecent about end-game mentality and players by handwaving away a type of content that doesn’t suit your agenda or support your argument. Another one for the block list. Moving on.

What a nice guy you are. Definitely know how to have a constructive argument with someone.

What exactly was constructive about your complete dismissal of logic? Glass houses and all that.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Chudan is a worthless tanking set, you sacrifice a monster set that can give a lot of utility, resources or whatever for not pressing a button every 20 seconds.

Let's talk about resources. You need to spend e.g. 4000 magicka every 20 seconds to cast that spell. How much magicka do you get from 2x magicka recovery items in 20 seconds? Did you do the maths?

https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/balance always funny when people have that tone you have, yet know very little

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Chudan is a worthless tanking set, you sacrifice a monster set that can give a lot of utility, resources or whatever for not pressing a button every 20 seconds.

Though I'm not using chudan, this is very powerful set, which gives a lot. 2700 economy in 20 seconds is like ~200 base magicka recovery lol. If your 5-pieces are not healthy at all (dragonguard instead of ebon for example, then chudan might compensate it a little). Blood spawn is very random.. Lord Warden (which i actually prefer), is of very limited use when all team is scattered or boss start spamming huge aoes around himself.. so it's like Elliot said for torug - somebody told that lord warden, blood spawn = ok and every monkey wears it now.

For optimal result you need to select different monster set for each different boss.

Yeah obviously you need different monster sets for different encounters, but that doesn't take away that chudan is worthless in tanking. It's not a problem at all to get to resistance caps without it. You probably should read the link above about balance as well since it's a magica gain, not a magica loss. Of course you might use Ice Fortress on warden, but that skill gives utility to your group mates as well so it might justify the magica cost.

Lord Warden is nice, Thorvokun is nice, 2 magica recovery is nice, all the rest are either niche ones, or just crap.

Balance is a tricky thing, don't forget to mention about huge debuff it puts on tank, all this min-maxing suggests that everything is going as planned for score run by top-tier guild and so you can cast balance regularly on 35k hp DK, but in practice as soon as things goes out of plan if such tank will press balance out of habit with healer dead this will be death sentence for tank too. (if boss makes deadly attack after tank used balance, for example)

Problem with all this meta is that it's optimized for calculated score runs by top guilds, but in practice you have mix of experienced and not so experienced people and unplanned situations are common everyday, every run. And to handle this situations you need margin, chudan may provide this margin, that's all. Worst tank is dead tank, obviously.

And please (no irony) say where you may get resistance cap easily if not using monster set with first bonus to resistances. From my experience only way to cap is all heavy with major ward/major resolve 99% uptime, some 40-50 cp on heavy armor to match magic resistance, and set like lord warden. Maybe I miss something, I'll be glad to know other viable sources of resistance cap.

You said that well @MartiniDaniels and yes you can get cap without it, but I’d wager he doesn’t. Just a guess. Those who would snub Chudan very likely snub the other choices it would take to get there. He’s probably just pointing out that it’s actually possible as a counter argument then himself running about 27k resistances. Maybe 29-30 if he wears warden. But perhaps I misjudge him.

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The whole selfish vs. unselfish argument is ancient and almost meme-territory at this point. An additional 2K health isn’t going to save an idiot dps from standing in the red, nor does it matter for beans in Trials. The only ‘support’ necessary for a tank would be Warhorn and your taunts and debuffs (crusher enchant is not even required anymore). Damage ceiling is now so high in the game that most traditional support sets—SPC—are just pouring gasoline on an inferno. So you kill the boss 2s faster than you would otherwise. Good for you I guess, though if you’re not chasing a leaderboard all that min/maxing was a waste of time.

Unless you’re in a highly organized group that can discount every variable of player competence and composition, gearing for survival almost always works out in your (the tank’s) favour.

Real “God Mode” still remains Bahraha’s/ Malubeth/ Whatever combo. Wear that and you can solo every boss in the game that doesn’t have an enrage timer and take your sweet time rezzing all the derpy-deeps that you’ve queued with through AF.

And yet all end game trial tanks wear ebon, stating that they've seen DD:s recover from under 1k health multiple times without dying...

Your presumption that end game tanks consist entirely of people who run Trials is pretty reductionist and myopic (and hilariously misguided). Expected, given your history.

Can you give me one other competitive end game activity in ESO besides trials for tanks?

Yeah you are completely right, given my history of being right, I will most likely be right this time as well

Wow. Try some humility because you don’t wear arrogance well:

Four man Vet Achievements (best done with 3 DDs and a self-sufficient tank)
Four man Trials
VDSA (yes, I’ve done flawless on a blazplar tank)
PvP
Imperial City PvP

But yeah, no real competitive “end game” content. It’s not like any of those activities have leaderboards or competition or other players trying to unseat you...Oh wait...Smh.

But I wear irony like a king

The only thing worth taken seriously as end game activity on that list (leaderboards and shizzle) is "Four man Trials" which I guess is Blackrose, but since the rest are just imbecilic and you are behaving pretty badly, I'm not even gonna bother.

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The whole selfish vs. unselfish argument is ancient and almost meme-territory at this point. An additional 2K health isn’t going to save an idiot dps from standing in the red, nor does it matter for beans in Trials. The only ‘support’ necessary for a tank would be Warhorn and your taunts and debuffs (crusher enchant is not even required anymore). Damage ceiling is now so high in the game that most traditional support sets—SPC—are just pouring gasoline on an inferno. So you kill the boss 2s faster than you would otherwise. Good for you I guess, though if you’re not chasing a leaderboard all that min/maxing was a waste of time.

Unless you’re in a highly organized group that can discount every variable of player competence and composition, gearing for survival almost always works out in your (the tank’s) favour.

Real “God Mode” still remains Bahraha’s/ Malubeth/ Whatever combo. Wear that and you can solo every boss in the game that doesn’t have an enrage timer and take your sweet time rezzing all the derpy-deeps that you’ve queued with through AF.

And yet all end game trial tanks wear ebon, stating that they've seen DD:s recover from under 1k health multiple times without dying...

Your presumption that end game tanks consist entirely of people who run Trials is pretty reductionist and myopic (and hilariously misguided). Expected, given your history.

Can you give me one other competitive end game activity in ESO besides trials for tanks?

Yeah you are completely right, given my history of being right, I will most likely be right this time as well

Wow. Try some humility because you don’t wear arrogance well:

Four man Vet Achievements (best done with 3 DDs and a self-sufficient tank)
Four man Trials
VDSA (yes, I’ve done flawless on a blazplar tank)
PvP
Imperial City PvP

But yeah, no real competitive “end game” content. It’s not like any of those activities have leaderboards or competition or other players trying to unseat you...Oh wait...Smh.

But I wear irony like a king

The only thing worth taken seriously as end game activity on that list (leaderboards and shizzle) is "Four man Trials" which I guess is Blackrose, but since the rest are just imbecilic and you are behaving pretty badly, I'm not even gonna bother.

You can’t just arbitrarily dismiss content you don’t personally view as “endgame”, which is clearly meant for endgame players and that ZoS themselves considers endgame.

So just to be clear the only thing worth doing in ESO with a max level, geared and theorycrafted character is a 12 man Trial? Everything else is just nonexistent, pointless or doesn’t count cause reasons? Do you realize how you sound? But I’m behaving badly, okay...

You can’t bother because you don’t actually have an argument to make.

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The whole selfish vs. unselfish argument is ancient and almost meme-territory at this point. An additional 2K health isn’t going to save an idiot dps from standing in the red, nor does it matter for beans in Trials. The only ‘support’ necessary for a tank would be Warhorn and your taunts and debuffs (crusher enchant is not even required anymore). Damage ceiling is now so high in the game that most traditional support sets—SPC—are just pouring gasoline on an inferno. So you kill the boss 2s faster than you would otherwise. Good for you I guess, though if you’re not chasing a leaderboard all that min/maxing was a waste of time.

Unless you’re in a highly organized group that can discount every variable of player competence and composition, gearing for survival almost always works out in your (the tank’s) favour.

Real “God Mode” still remains Bahraha’s/ Malubeth/ Whatever combo. Wear that and you can solo every boss in the game that doesn’t have an enrage timer and take your sweet time rezzing all the derpy-deeps that you’ve queued with through AF.

And yet all end game trial tanks wear ebon, stating that they've seen DD:s recover from under 1k health multiple times without dying...

Your presumption that end game tanks consist entirely of people who run Trials is pretty reductionist and myopic (and hilariously misguided). Expected, given your history.

Can you give me one other competitive end game activity in ESO besides trials for tanks?

Yeah you are completely right, given my history of being right, I will most likely be right this time as well

Wow. Try some humility because you don’t wear arrogance well:

Four man Vet Achievements (best done with 3 DDs and a self-sufficient tank)
Four man Trials
VDSA (yes, I’ve done flawless on a blazplar tank)
PvP
Imperial City PvP

But yeah, no real competitive “end game” content. It’s not like any of those activities have leaderboards or competition or other players trying to unseat you...Oh wait...Smh.

But I wear irony like a king

The only thing worth taken seriously as end game activity on that list (leaderboards and shizzle) is "Four man Trials" which I guess is Blackrose, but since the rest are just imbecilic and you are behaving pretty badly, I'm not even gonna bother.

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The whole selfish vs. unselfish argument is ancient and almost meme-territory at this point. An additional 2K health isn’t going to save an idiot dps from standing in the red, nor does it matter for beans in Trials. The only ‘support’ necessary for a tank would be Warhorn and your taunts and debuffs (crusher enchant is not even required anymore). Damage ceiling is now so high in the game that most traditional support sets—SPC—are just pouring gasoline on an inferno. So you kill the boss 2s faster than you would otherwise. Good for you I guess, though if you’re not chasing a leaderboard all that min/maxing was a waste of time.

Unless you’re in a highly organized group that can discount every variable of player competence and composition, gearing for survival almost always works out in your (the tank’s) favour.

Real “God Mode” still remains Bahraha’s/ Malubeth/ Whatever combo. Wear that and you can solo every boss in the game that doesn’t have an enrage timer and take your sweet time rezzing all the derpy-deeps that you’ve queued with through AF.

And yet all end game trial tanks wear ebon, stating that they've seen DD:s recover from under 1k health multiple times without dying...

Your presumption that end game tanks consist entirely of people who run Trials is pretty reductionist and myopic (and hilariously misguided). Expected, given your history.

Can you give me one other competitive end game activity in ESO besides trials for tanks?

Yeah you are completely right, given my history of being right, I will most likely be right this time as well

Wow. Try some humility because you don’t wear arrogance well:

Four man Vet Achievements (best done with 3 DDs and a self-sufficient tank)
Four man Trials
VDSA (yes, I’ve done flawless on a blazplar tank)
PvP
Imperial City PvP

But yeah, no real competitive “end game” content. It’s not like any of those activities have leaderboards or competition or other players trying to unseat you...Oh wait...Smh.

But I wear irony like a king

The only thing worth taken seriously as end game activity on that list (leaderboards and shizzle) is "Four man Trials" which I guess is Blackrose, but since the rest are just imbecilic and you are behaving pretty badly, I'm not even gonna bother.

You can’t just arbitrarily dismiss content you don’t personally view as “endgame”, which is clearly meant for endgame players and that ZoS themselves considers endgame.

So just to be clear the only thing worth doing in ESO with a max level, geared and theorycrafted character is a 12 man Trial? Everything else is just nonexistent, pointless or doesn’t count cause reasons? Do you realize how you sound? But I’m behaving badly, okay...

You can’t bother because you don’t actually have an argument to make.

But I do, my argument on how to measure competitive end game is by having some kind of system to measure it with. Like a leaderboard. That we have for some activities, and the only ones that a tank can participate in worth mentioning (and I say worth mentioning since vDSA is outleveled a long time ago) is either Trials or Blackrose Prison.

So no, my argument is completely logical. But please, feel free to present how the other activities you had on your list can be competitively compared.

BejaProphet wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Chudan is a worthless tanking set, you sacrifice a monster set that can give a lot of utility, resources or whatever for not pressing a button every 20 seconds.

Let's talk about resources. You need to spend e.g. 4000 magicka every 20 seconds to cast that spell. How much magicka do you get from 2x magicka recovery items in 20 seconds? Did you do the maths?

https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/balance always funny when people have that tone you have, yet know very little

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Chudan is a worthless tanking set, you sacrifice a monster set that can give a lot of utility, resources or whatever for not pressing a button every 20 seconds.

Though I'm not using chudan, this is very powerful set, which gives a lot. 2700 economy in 20 seconds is like ~200 base magicka recovery lol. If your 5-pieces are not healthy at all (dragonguard instead of ebon for example, then chudan might compensate it a little). Blood spawn is very random.. Lord Warden (which i actually prefer), is of very limited use when all team is scattered or boss start spamming huge aoes around himself.. so it's like Elliot said for torug - somebody told that lord warden, blood spawn = ok and every monkey wears it now.

For optimal result you need to select different monster set for each different boss.

Yeah obviously you need different monster sets for different encounters, but that doesn't take away that chudan is worthless in tanking. It's not a problem at all to get to resistance caps without it. You probably should read the link above about balance as well since it's a magica gain, not a magica loss. Of course you might use Ice Fortress on warden, but that skill gives utility to your group mates as well so it might justify the magica cost.

Lord Warden is nice, Thorvokun is nice, 2 magica recovery is nice, all the rest are either niche ones, or just crap.

Balance is a tricky thing, don't forget to mention about huge debuff it puts on tank, all this min-maxing suggests that everything is going as planned for score run by top-tier guild and so you can cast balance regularly on 35k hp DK, but in practice as soon as things goes out of plan if such tank will press balance out of habit with healer dead this will be death sentence for tank too. (if boss makes deadly attack after tank used balance, for example)

Problem with all this meta is that it's optimized for calculated score runs by top guilds, but in practice you have mix of experienced and not so experienced people and unplanned situations are common everyday, every run. And to handle this situations you need margin, chudan may provide this margin, that's all. Worst tank is dead tank, obviously.

And please (no irony) say where you may get resistance cap easily if not using monster set with first bonus to resistances. From my experience only way to cap is all heavy with major ward/major resolve 99% uptime, some 40-50 cp on heavy armor to match magic resistance, and set like lord warden. Maybe I miss something, I'll be glad to know other viable sources of resistance cap.

You said that well @MartiniDaniels and yes you can get cap without it, but I’d wager he doesn’t. Just a guess. Those who would snub Chudan very likely snub the other choices it would take to get there. He’s probably just pointing out that it’s actually possible as a counter argument then himself running about 27k resistances. Maybe 29-30 if he wears warden. But perhaps I misjudge him.

You don't have to guess and speculate in favor of your own opinion since I already answered that...

I gave up at some point in reading the entire thread but now I went back and found your comments. Seems like I was pretty spot on.

Nope you weren't since i'm at the cap, not the number you wrote

A lot of people dont like Chudan for tanking...I think they are foolish. Yes, it gives you a buff you can easily get through hardened armor or whatever other skill...however, where this is shortsighted is the fact that you have to CONTINUALLY CAST those abilities at the cost of resources, where Chudan gives you 100% uptime with no casting cost...and that allows you to use those resources to cast OTHER spells that are beneficial to THE GROUP, not just yourself. I would rather constantly spam igneous shield on the group(or circle of protection for the melee fighters) or any number of other spells beneficial to the group than to constant refresh hardened armor on myself...that is why it outperforms Lord Warden...refreshing Ring of Preservation on your melee fighters vs hardened armor on yourself is better than Lord Warden proc since it provides both minor protection and minor endurance if they arent getting it from another source. If they are, you can instead spam igneous shield to the same effect. As to whether it outperforms Blood Spawn tanking in a similar manner is not so clear, it would depend on the build being used...but those who say Chudan is a bad tanking set are tanking in a lazy manner and not using nearly as many group buffing skills as I do. While I dont have a rotation exactly...I am always casting something, and the resources freed up by using Chudan instead of Lord Warden or Blood Spawn are very useful indeed. For my playstyle...Chudan is hands-down better...maybe not so much for other people. That is the thing when people get obsessed with the Meta...sure...something may be strictly better for person A, but person B may be more effective with something else. BIS would only be valid if everyone played exactly the same.

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The whole selfish vs. unselfish argument is ancient and almost meme-territory at this point. An additional 2K health isn’t going to save an idiot dps from standing in the red, nor does it matter for beans in Trials. The only ‘support’ necessary for a tank would be Warhorn and your taunts and debuffs (crusher enchant is not even required anymore). Damage ceiling is now so high in the game that most traditional support sets—SPC—are just pouring gasoline on an inferno. So you kill the boss 2s faster than you would otherwise. Good for you I guess, though if you’re not chasing a leaderboard all that min/maxing was a waste of time.

Unless you’re in a highly organized group that can discount every variable of player competence and composition, gearing for survival almost always works out in your (the tank’s) favour.

Real “God Mode” still remains Bahraha’s/ Malubeth/ Whatever combo. Wear that and you can solo every boss in the game that doesn’t have an enrage timer and take your sweet time rezzing all the derpy-deeps that you’ve queued with through AF.

And yet all end game trial tanks wear ebon, stating that they've seen DD:s recover from under 1k health multiple times without dying...

I tank all the time, you know how often I have seen DPS recover from under 1k health without dying? In 3+ years of playing this game? Fewer than 10 times. You know how many times I have seen the proc from Imperium has kept DPS from dying? Hundreds of times.

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The whole selfish vs. unselfish argument is ancient and almost meme-territory at this point. An additional 2K health isn’t going to save an idiot dps from standing in the red, nor does it matter for beans in Trials. The only ‘support’ necessary for a tank would be Warhorn and your taunts and debuffs (crusher enchant is not even required anymore). Damage ceiling is now so high in the game that most traditional support sets—SPC—are just pouring gasoline on an inferno. So you kill the boss 2s faster than you would otherwise. Good for you I guess, though if you’re not chasing a leaderboard all that min/maxing was a waste of time.

Unless you’re in a highly organized group that can discount every variable of player competence and composition, gearing for survival almost always works out in your (the tank’s) favour.

Real “God Mode” still remains Bahraha’s/ Malubeth/ Whatever combo. Wear that and you can solo every boss in the game that doesn’t have an enrage timer and take your sweet time rezzing all the derpy-deeps that you’ve queued with through AF.

And yet all end game trial tanks wear ebon, stating that they've seen DD:s recover from under 1k health multiple times without dying...

Your presumption that end game tanks consist entirely of people who run Trials is pretty reductionist and myopic (and hilariously misguided). Expected, given your history.

Can you give me one other competitive end game activity in ESO besides trials for tanks?

Yeah you are completely right, given my history of being right, I will most likely be right this time as well

Wow. Try some humility because you don’t wear arrogance well:

Four man Vet Achievements (best done with 3 DDs and a self-sufficient tank)
Four man Trials
VDSA (yes, I’ve done flawless on a blazplar tank)
PvP
Imperial City PvP

But yeah, no real competitive “end game” content. It’s not like any of those activities have leaderboards or competition or other players trying to unseat you...Oh wait...Smh.

But I wear irony like a king

The only thing worth taken seriously as end game activity on that list (leaderboards and shizzle) is "Four man Trials" which I guess is Blackrose, but since the rest are just imbecilic and you are behaving pretty badly, I'm not even gonna bother.

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The whole selfish vs. unselfish argument is ancient and almost meme-territory at this point. An additional 2K health isn’t going to save an idiot dps from standing in the red, nor does it matter for beans in Trials. The only ‘support’ necessary for a tank would be Warhorn and your taunts and debuffs (crusher enchant is not even required anymore). Damage ceiling is now so high in the game that most traditional support sets—SPC—are just pouring gasoline on an inferno. So you kill the boss 2s faster than you would otherwise. Good for you I guess, though if you’re not chasing a leaderboard all that min/maxing was a waste of time.

Unless you’re in a highly organized group that can discount every variable of player competence and composition, gearing for survival almost always works out in your (the tank’s) favour.

Real “God Mode” still remains Bahraha’s/ Malubeth/ Whatever combo. Wear that and you can solo every boss in the game that doesn’t have an enrage timer and take your sweet time rezzing all the derpy-deeps that you’ve queued with through AF.

And yet all end game trial tanks wear ebon, stating that they've seen DD:s recover from under 1k health multiple times without dying...

Your presumption that end game tanks consist entirely of people who run Trials is pretty reductionist and myopic (and hilariously misguided). Expected, given your history.

Can you give me one other competitive end game activity in ESO besides trials for tanks?

Yeah you are completely right, given my history of being right, I will most likely be right this time as well

Wow. Try some humility because you don’t wear arrogance well:

Four man Vet Achievements (best done with 3 DDs and a self-sufficient tank)
Four man Trials
VDSA (yes, I’ve done flawless on a blazplar tank)
PvP
Imperial City PvP

But yeah, no real competitive “end game” content. It’s not like any of those activities have leaderboards or competition or other players trying to unseat you...Oh wait...Smh.

But I wear irony like a king

The only thing worth taken seriously as end game activity on that list (leaderboards and shizzle) is "Four man Trials" which I guess is Blackrose, but since the rest are just imbecilic and you are behaving pretty badly, I'm not even gonna bother.

You can’t just arbitrarily dismiss content you don’t personally view as “endgame”, which is clearly meant for endgame players and that ZoS themselves considers endgame.

So just to be clear the only thing worth doing in ESO with a max level, geared and theorycrafted character is a 12 man Trial? Everything else is just nonexistent, pointless or doesn’t count cause reasons? Do you realize how you sound? But I’m behaving badly, okay...

You can’t bother because you don’t actually have an argument to make.

But I do, my argument on how to measure competitive end game is by having some kind of system to measure it with. Like a leaderboard. That we have for some activities, and the only ones that a tank can participate in worth mentioning (and I say worth mentioning since vDSA is outleveled a long time ago) is either Trials or Blackrose PrisonI’m going to assume this is a masterful troll and move on.

What if masterful trolling IS the endgame. 😱

I use Leeching Galanwe and Blood spawn couldn't care about no meta I play what I want.