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Spending magicka to break free in all LIGHT ARMOR
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Jabbs_Giggity✭✭✭✭✭It is odd that for almost 5 years most magicka users have been able to use their survival skills and have been fine with using stamina to break free when needed. The survival skills magicka users excel at seem to be ignored in the OP.
If you want to use your main resource to break free then play stam. if you want shields, easier access to cleanses, et. al. then stick with magicka. We do not need to homogenize every single aspect of the game.
I agree with this, but the problem is that as the game has evolved, especially in PVP, mechanics are presenting more and more hard CCs, snares, robots etc that are not following the CC immunity guidelines. I can't even begin to recall how many times I was permanently CCd by Templar javelins in a row! I even use it as a Trolling gimmick against those pesky snipers
CCs are definitely broken. 0 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Actually no. Magicka users should have at least 14k stamina for things like CC or immobilize.
As a magicka user, you are already in the advantage of not using your main ressource pool for break free, dodge roll or block where a stam user needs to suffer his stamina also for break free and stuff while also relying on the same ressource for healing and dealing damage.
Its fine how it is. If you are unwilling to build for at least 14k stam, then its your fault.
No, it's not.0 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Actually no. Magicka users should have at least 14k stamina for things like CC or immobilize.
As a magicka user, you are already in the advantage of not using your main ressource pool for break free, dodge roll or block where a stam user needs to suffer his stamina also for break free and stuff while also relying on the same ressource for healing and dealing damage.
Its fine how it is. If you are unwilling to build for at least 14k stam, then its your fault.
What? Total opposite. I'd gladly use my main resource pool for all that,
So surprised at logic? As the person you quoted stated, if you are unwilling to build for it then it is your fault. Very few experienced magicka users have an issue with this and it has worked fine for years, and still does. Very doubtful it will change, Have not seen anything in this thread offer a compelling reason to consider change.
He was right. I'll gladly dip into my main resource as well, just as the stamina players do. Like I said, it puts us on equal footing.
Notice, I have not complained about blocking, sprinting, or roll dodging using stamina. This is because I can control these things. CCs abuse is a cheap tactic that forces players to tap into a resource they don't have. Why should magicka players not be allowed to build to their strengths like the stamina players do?0 -
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✭StarOfElyon wrote: »Actually no. Magicka users should have at least 14k stamina for things like CC or immobilize.
As a magicka user, you are already in the advantage of not using your main ressource pool for break free, dodge roll or block where a stam user needs to suffer his stamina also for break free and stuff while also relying on the same ressource for healing and dealing damage.
Its fine how it is. If you are unwilling to build for at least 14k stam, then its your fault.
No, it's not.
Its here from day one and allows more build diversity. If changed everyone would stack magicka. Like it is now, while Building your character You Need to also take care of your stamina Management cause its important for pvp. Dodge roll, block and ofc break free.
Tell me, why its not fine and provide facts or argumemts . Not something like "no, ist not."2 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StarOfElyon wrote: »Actually no. Magicka users should have at least 14k stamina for things like CC or immobilize.
As a magicka user, you are already in the advantage of not using your main ressource pool for break free, dodge roll or block where a stam user needs to suffer his stamina also for break free and stuff while also relying on the same ressource for healing and dealing damage.
Its fine how it is. If you are unwilling to build for at least 14k stam, then its your fault.
No, it's not.
Its here from day one and allows more build diversity. If changed everyone would stack magicka. Like it is now, while Building your character You Need to also take care of your stamina Management cause its important for pvp. Dodge roll, block and ofc break free.
Tell me, why its not fine and provide facts or argumemts . Not something like "no, ist not."
None of the things like dodge rolling and blocking are an issue when I stack attributes the way I should for a magicka character. I can do that just fine. I've already explained the difference between those actions and stamina spent due to players spamming hard CC's. It's common sense. Stamina players stock stamina, don't they? Tanks stack health, don't they? Magicka players stack magicka.
Stamina characters can break free easily. Tanks can endure the punishment. A hard CC locks you down, giving others FREE shots at you. Knowing magicka characters aren't built (by design) for stamina or tankiness, hard CC's give stamina and health stackers an unfair advantage over magicka stackers. And it's abused because of the advantage it gives. All I'm asking is that the cost can be paid in magicka for full light armor wearers. What's so insane about that?0 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭StarOfElyon wrote: »Stamina players stock stamina, don't they? Tanks stack health, don't they?
ummm not thaqt much
most stamina builds dont stack that much max stam as magica player for max magica
on magica builds you can very easily stack big pool of magica while ons tamina ots not that easy, this is not worth to stack more stamina over weapon damage
stamina builds are spending equally max stamina and weapon damage because its more efficient about it than stacking to only single stat like max magica on magica build
ofc we can build for stacking max stam as we can but this wont be that efficient for us and we will miss much more pure damage for this to kill someone
on tank also its not that much to invest only stats into health as can, doesnt matter which race, class (maybke blazeplar is only expection which isn't alive at all), you will ofc target to get much health as can but you need also to inves some into both stamina and magica to have for utility/skills or atleast more regen to not be stucked in cc or something without any resources to heal or mitigate more incoming damage0 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭It always bother me that Stamina Players can completely ignore their Magicka and only use it for ''utility'' skills, while a Magicka Player will always need Stamina for basic actions like Sprint, Roll Dodge, Block and Break Free... I would be awesome if I can perform this actions using my Magicka pool, example Sprint and Break Free (no need to Block because Magicka Players already have shields and also Dodge Roll Spam should keep unique to Stamina Players).
At least give us a Magicka Sprint or a way to fast travel using Magicka, a Levitation or something...
Edited by Chelo on January 15, 2019 5:39AM0 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭It always bother me that Stamina Players can completely ignore their Magicka and only use them for ''utility'' skills, while a Magicka Player will always need Stamina for basic actions like Sprint, Roll Dodge, Block and Break Free... I would be awesome if I can perform this actions using my Magicka pool, example Sprint and Break Free (no need to Block because Magicka Players already have shields and also Dodge Roll Spam should keep unique to Stamina Players).
At least give us a Magicka Sprint or a way to fast travel using Magicka, a Levitation or something...
With an ice staff you can block and have it cost magicka.
A set where dodge sprint break free etc would be niceEdited by JobooAGS on January 14, 2019 2:25AM0 -
Nutshotz✭✭✭✭Ok. Now we're on subject for mag users for break free to be used as part of our magica. Why don't we implement Stam users have to use mag as there break free and so forth.
It's not about switching the pools. Our main concern as a community should be the CC's. They're broken.2 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭L2P and learn to build. I thought the same about the break free so I went to stam doing that made me realize it is awesome to have mag for your abilities and stam for your movement seperated compared to combined as is for stam.
Keep building both stam and mag. This experience will show you ESO is build really well with the resources. But you need to compromise with mag if you don't want to do this build for stam.
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StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PeaNutShotz wrote: »Ok. Now we're on subject for mag users for break free to be used as part of our magica. Why don't we implement Stam users have to use mag as there break free and so forth.
It's not about switching the pools. Our main concern as a community should be the CC's. They're broken.
Yes CC's are out of control and put magicka players at a disadvantage as they are now. But since they don't seem to be going away, I want to change how magicka characters break free. Right now, I have to take food and potions that buff health and stamina, instead of buffing health and magicka where my character's abilities come from.
If we tell people to just build for stamina, then we create a META that people need to adhere to and it's no longer balanced.0 -
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✭✭Stam abilities are 15% cheaper than mag as they rely on stam for skills, dodge, and block... If mag subclasses are made to rely on mag for break free then a cost reduction to all mag abilities (10%?) would be in order
Or you can use Ele Drain to have essentially the same sustain.
Stam classes dont get minor stamina steal
You get the best heavy attacks in the game though and not everyone can just slot ele drain. Once staves get heavy attacks that have the same time as DW does then we can talk about that.Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
susniand✭✭Actually no. Magicka users should have at least 14k stamina for things like CC or immobilize.
As a magicka user, you are already in the advantage of not using your main ressource pool for break free, dodge roll or block where a stam user needs to suffer his stamina also for break free and stuff while also relying on the same ressource for healing and dealing damage.
Its fine how it is. If you are unwilling to build for at least 14k stam, then its your fault.
Are you aware that stamina abilities are cheaper compared to magicka because of that?0 -
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✭Stamina class should have to put as much consideration to magicka that magicka class have too with stamina.1 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stamina class should have to put as much consideration to magicka that magicka class have too with stamina.
well some classes realy put some stats and regen to magica for their utility
like stamnb, its good to invest some magica for just cloak, shade etc
stamsorc for streak and dark deal
stamden for different buffs
stamdk for shield for healing and other utilitis
stamplar for purify
tbh every class on stam build can have much profit for invest some into magica stat but not everyone need it that much while ofc are people who invest in this because or they want it or they just need it in their gameplay
you can no see but you could find as many stambuilds have this atleast a bit of invest into magica stat for just their utility like magica builds investing into stam for break free etc0 -
bardx86✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stamina class should have to put as much consideration to magicka that magicka class have too with stamina.
well some classes realy put some stats and regen to magica for their utility
like stamnb, its good to invest some magica for just cloak, shade etc
stamsorc for streak and dark deal
stamden for different buffs
stamdk for shield for healing and other utilitis
stamplar for purify
tbh every class on stam build can have much profit for invest some into magica stat but not everyone need it that much while ofc are people who invest in this because or they want it or they just need it in their gameplay
you can no see but you could find as many stambuilds have this atleast a bit of invest into magica stat for just their utility like magica builds investing into stam for break free etc
Missing the point. Utility is one thing. Magicka classes have to invest in stamina and when its gone they are dead. Hardly the same thing.1 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stamina class should have to put as much consideration to magicka that magicka class have too with stamina.
well some classes realy put some stats and regen to magica for their utility
like stamnb, its good to invest some magica for just cloak, shade etc
stamsorc for streak and dark deal
stamden for different buffs
stamdk for shield for healing and other utilitis
stamplar for purify
tbh every class on stam build can have much profit for invest some into magica stat but not everyone need it that much while ofc are people who invest in this because or they want it or they just need it in their gameplay
you can no see but you could find as many stambuilds have this atleast a bit of invest into magica stat for just their utility like magica builds investing into stam for break free etc
Missing the point. Utility is one thing. Magicka classes have to invest in stamina and when its gone they are dead. Hardly the same thing.
maybe you missing the point?
without some utility stam classes also are dead
stam nb without cloak...well thats it, stam nb is op because of good synergy cloak with dodge penalty to reset this penalty while in cloak, if stam nb cant go into cloak for longer time he is just dead
stam dk very depend on his shield fo healing bonus to hsi vigor as without shield vigor really is *** heal on pvp in medium armor
stamsorc very realy on his dark deal to restore his stamina and health to it + strak also is very useful for him
stamplar....stamplar is really glass cannon in compare to other classes and without his purify he really is in dead point if he cant cleanse sick dots as its not possible to much to outheal sick dots by only weak vigor
only about stamden Im not sure how much for him relevant is magica for him so wont say anything about him1 -
evoniee✭✭✭✭stop complaining, every stam class also running tri glyph on every pieces or use shackle to get enough magicka to play.
use tri stat glyph at all pieces, spend 22% at cp break free, dont make useless move, you are good to go.1 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Edziu
stam warden use shimmering shield, ice fortress, living vines, green lotus.
if fortress have a down time = dead
no magicka for shimmering shield at execute level = dead
ty for confirmation to living vines and green lotus about which I was thinking but was sure to post and pointing these other skills which are also need to have magica to use
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StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭stop complaining, every stam class also running tri glyph on every pieces or use shackle to get enough magicka to play.
use tri stat glyph at all pieces, spend 22% at cp break free, dont make useless move, you are good to go.
I'm already barely keeping my character above 30,000 magicka as it is with all magicka glyphs on. You make it sounds so easy. What do you main?0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StarOfElyon wrote: »I'm going to be discussing hard CCs here. I mean the kind that completely immobilizes your character or controls them until you can break free. Forcing a magicka-light armor build to constantly rely on stamina to break free from CC abuse puts them at a serious disadvantage. They don't have the resistance or the health to endure constant CCs. Since the passives for light armor as they exist do nothing to effectively counter players who overuse CC, how about giving light armor a passive that pays the stamina cost in magicka. That way, the ground would be a little more level. This passive would work more efficiently depending on the number of light armor pieces worn. So a character wearing pieces of light armor in all available slots would have their stamina cost completely paid in magicka. While a person wearing only 4 or 5 pieces would only have like a very small percentage of break free cost paid in magicka, if any at all. Medium and heavy armor comes with the benefits of stamina or health increases, so a character shouldn't be able to take advantage of the passive unless they are fully clad in light armor. This is something that has to happen for light armor to remain viable.
I disagree. It would put a serious magicka drain on magicka-oriented characters. It's very useful to have your off resource make legitimate contributions to your survival, with CC break tied to magicka, stamina would pretty much be a dead and useless pool: there's only so much sprinting you can do and sorcerers/NBs don;t want perma-block builds to begin with. With the way ESO's game mechanics are designed (i.e. CP gameplay), every magicka player has enough stamina to be able to CC break on cooldown without running out of stamina with zero investment. Which means magicka builds do not need to put much effort at all and be fine. Of course, no CP is an entirely different matter, but magicka management is already a nightmare there and putting CC break on it would force magicka builds into super regen builds if they want to CC break. (Note: the Devs need to make up their mind on one unifying game system so we stop having these stupid balance issues where something is fine for one game mode but busted in another).
Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0
