NB Tanks work good and can be good for all content as tanks its just there not meta. So depending on what you want it to do its to hard to say.

Llilium wrote: »

just came back and was super happy to see a new heal/ damage resistance buff with dark cloak, but saw that a number of nerfs have occurred to NB tanks regarding some of our other abiltiies.

now, NB tanks weren't all that amazing to begin with, but now i dont really know what to do with myself. leeching strikes is nice, bolstering darkness is good for the group but has a huge cost. but like... my NB is awful now. i play a DK tank as well and wow, its great. but i would prefer to play my NB.

anyone have any recommendations? any other nb tanks out there?

what kind of thing can we request for this class? i'd like to see some passive health regen (or like a 20% bonus like how DKs have when using dragon blood), and ult regen. we have some nice ults for tanking, great damage reduction for the group and heals with soul tether, so being able to generate some ult would be a good thing for both pve and pvp group play

Health regen is worthless. As a main tank, the 2 abilities I hate the most are health regen and healing received...I would much rather have magicka(or stamina) regen in the place of either...its far more useful to me since my health only rarely drops below 75%(though I suppose I use more damage shields than the average tank) As for nightblade tanking...well, you are swimming against the ZOS current there, the powers that be have decreed nightblade isn't meant to tank as well as DK(or even close) but I suppose its a fair tradeoff since DKs dont do the best DPS either.

They could plug so many holes in custom builds though with skillcrafting(as doubtful as it is currently)

We were gods, now, on top of everything else, we take 25% less red circle damage. Great. Yay.

No I’ve permanently retired my NB tank, nerf after nerf after nerf. I don’t even know why we still have that heavy armor passive in our class skill line.

I miss my saptank.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

im playing NB tank after 4 years of perma stamblade...and I can say its solid as hell...however its nothing like warden and DK...so you cannot use the same playstyle that somehow fits dk/warden...NB its different and stronger in terms of it...the only setback for groups is the engulfing flames which DKs have...but then again...that's for min/max ladderboard runs...and if you need EF for the raid grp to perform then the grp itself has serious issues. as for what im using...im sorry but I dont like to share...for free >:3

P.S.: they say gold opens every door...but makes a khajiit loose a word.

eh... i've played a stam NB tank since day 1 of this game. i used my gear on my DK tank and it's 500% better.

I prefer my NB but to say it's solid is questionable. i want to see what you're doing and what your build is to be able to feel like i can agree

They really ruined NB Tanks (and Healers) in Murkmire. The removal of Minor Vitality from Swallow Soul, the damage removal of Refreshing Path, and the reworking of Major Evasion pretty much scrapped everything that made NB Tanking unique or useful in the 1st place.

As for ideas on improving NB Tank's tookit, I have a laundry list of suggestions.
1) Have Blur apply to Teammates. Since this skill is now AoE mitigation instead of Dodge Chance, I feel it would be akin to DK's Obsidian Shield and Warden's Frost Cloak in terms of defensive utility. While AoE mitigation might be somewhat more powerful in terms of PvP and the like, the fact of the matter is, its not a unique buff at all since its easily replicated with the Gossamer set, not to mention all the other methods of acquiring this buff (Blade Cloak, Shuffle, etc). The only problem with this suggestion is that Magblade would be even more powerful in PvE content since they'd have access to it too and while it would be a DPS loss for them to run it, it would be a small price to pay for such utility.

2) Give Path of Darkness a synergy that grants Empower w/ Refreshing Path granting 2 Empower stacks. This is honestly a very minor change to NB utility but one that I feel that would greatly benefit NB Tanks and Healers since we're losing out on the damage we had from Refreshing Path and gaining next to nothing for it and while again, Magblade gaining more utility in the form of Twisting Path getting an Empower Synergy for allies to use (easily dealt with by removing the synergy from Twisting) I feel that's a small price to pay to make NB Tanks and Healers more useful.

3) Have Debilitate apply Minor Lifesteal to the target. Trash skill that gains some minor utility for Tanks and Healers to run it. DPS won't use it because it's a DPS loss but at least it'll finally get a functional, albeit minor, purpose and it let's Tanks/Healers get back some of the damage we'd otherwise lose for using Refreshing Path.

4) Have Dark Shade scale on Health and root enemies hit by the AoE attack. I'm also fine with the Trap morph of Fear getting the root but I feel that Dark Shade would benefit from a slight buff since even with the AoE Maim, people still prefer Heroic Slash for obvious reasons. Or have Shade's Snare enemies while Fear Trap becomes a root.

5) Reduce the cost of Soul Siphon down to 100 Ultimate. Simply put, this ultimate is bad when compared to other Healer Ultimates on any level. It costs twice as much as Warden's Tree, which also have several other benefits to them, such as Minor Toughness, Major Mending AND refunding some of the Ultimate cost, Templar Ultimate that is a super powerful PvP tool for groups and the Resto Ultimate is godly with all that it does for a slightly lower cost than Soul Siphon. Lowering the cost of this ultimate is hardly gamebreaking.

6) Have Reaper's Mark restore X Max Magic/Stamina (whichever is lower) upon enemy death, instead of Major Berserk. If effect ends before target dies, restore only 20% of X instead. Again, a sustain buff for the downtrodden NB Tanks that can't catch a break. It's a direct nerf to the DPS potential of this skill with the loss of Major Berserk but honestly, who was using this skill outside of vMA runs, if even that. Even with Piercing Mark being nerfed, it's still the go to morph for PvP purposes and Reaper Mark becoming a half decent sustain tool as well as a means of applying Major Fracture should Ice Staff Tanking come into play, so it seems like an alright adjustment to an otherwise meh skill.

7) Alter the Dark Vigor passive to increase healing received for each Shadow ability slotted by 1/2% each on top of its current effects. We've lost Minor Vitality and this is compensation for it. It won't fully make up the difference but a buff's a buff. Hell, you could even increase it to 2/4% and it honestly would still be weaker than DK in any practical application but that would be somewhat powerful in PvP so I'll settle for 2% per skill.

8) Change Dark Veil to a 7/15% dodge chance while blocking. Bake the increased duration previously granted into the skills directly. Keeping Tava Dodge Tanks alive while keeping the flavor for Tanking purposes only, since blocking is a Stamina killer otherwise. It's not like NB has the sustain nor burst heal required to be permablockers in PvP that this change wouldn't alter NB in PvP all that much but offer NB Tanks much needed support in PvE content and it allows them to keep Tava utility.

Llilium wrote: »

Kilnerdyne wrote: »

I'm not a NB tank unfortunately but if I was i'd focus on ultimate regen. Here's a link: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=87013

i like it i had a similar build for my DK but i didn't like it for that toon. maybe i should swaps some stuff around to my nb

This one doesn't work anymore unless you dodge roll.

Tavas favor was supposed to generate ultimate when Mirage still gave you 15% dodge chance. It doesn't anymore so Tavas Favor is useless now.

I have an argonian NB tank, atm running Battalion Defender + Ebon + Lord Warden.