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Does Summon Storm Atronach provide enough utility for sorcerer in trials?

Tasear
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Does Summon Storm Atronach provide good group utility for Sorcerer?
Edited by Tasear on January 8, 2019 4:10PM
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  • Harrdarrzarr
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    I suppose it does. The stamblades will love the major berserk.
    It is kinda annoying to summon though, at least for stamsorcs who are used to ballista. It almost feels like it has a cast-time. If you are too fast just before a barswap, it doesn't activate.
  • GreenhaloX
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    To me, the Summon Charged Atronach is the best ult for a magsorc. I even prefer it over Elemental Storm morph. The Charged Atronach cost less and puts out more DoTs. Hell, I was able to solo the arena in the Gold Coast with my level 40 magsorc with the Charged Atronach. Plus, the darn thing gives Major Berserk to an ally and itself for some time. That's an extra perk there. For stamsorc, I prefer the Ice Comet.
    Edited by GreenhaloX on January 8, 2019 2:54PM
  • Emma_Overload
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    The Atro needs to be able to MOVE to stay in range of enemies. This is a huge problem in PvP, and probably some PvE dungeons, too.
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  • SaintSubwayy
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    well the Utility provided throu Major Berserk is very Strong, especially since the Attro is mostly thrown in meele Range, which boosts Stamina DPS by quite a lot.

    BUT, there is 1 major drawback, which I have face myself approx 1 month ago.

    While doing a Raid DPS test on a 50mio Dummy, I got a Stormattro thrown right in front of me, and it completle cancelled ALL my meele Attacks, even hardtarget the Dummy didnt work, it seemd that its somehow blocking the Hitbox.

    ofc my DPS was ruined, but if this for example happens in a Raid, and the Tank cant spot the Boss, that seems to have the Possibility of a wipe.

    ....well sorc pet hitboxes have always beed annoing in PVE, so maybe completly remove the Hitboxes from Pets in Trials and Towns -> no more NPC or Hitbox blocking and the Problem is solved.


    For Stamsorc, the Air Attro was an topic which was talked about, hope that gets throuh with the Chapter or first DLC, so the finally get a good Classult.
    Edited by SaintSubwayy on January 8, 2019 3:02PM
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  • MashmalloMan
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    I think the utility of major berserk is great but not enough.. stam sorcs offer practically nothing to groups and the ultimate is so expensive that you can only get a maximum uptime on major berserk for one person at 14%. Maybe great for some burst potential, but it doesn't do enough to warrant a spot in a raid.

    This was my idea for a stam morph.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/438419/stam-sorc-air-atronach#latest

    TLDR: Smaller hit box, melee range, aoe dmg from it's own hurricane, movement like bear, shorter duration but cheaper cost, no aoe impact with stun. Maximum fun.
    Edited by MashmalloMan on January 8, 2019 11:52PM
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  • Tannus15
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    On synergy major berserk should be applied to both the person who activates the synergy and the sorc.

    There, I fixed it. :grin:

    side note : Replace Charged atro with stam morph, Air Atro. Letting it move and doing AOE spin damage would be cool and would give stam sorcs something unique instead of just running ballista.
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    Tannus15 wrote: »
    On synergy major berserk should be applied to both the person who activates the synergy and the sorc.

    There, I fixed it. :grin:

    side note : Replace Charged atro with stam morph, Air Atro. Letting it move and doing AOE spin damage would be cool and would give stam sorcs something unique instead of just running ballista.

    sounds nic, but dunno how a spinning Pets would impact performance, jsut imagine a Raid with 8 Stamsorcs, each having the bayblade attro :lol:

    IMO Major Berserk should be applied to the PLayer synergizing it, and the 2 nearest players (like Major Slayer from MA and WM)
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  • Zagnut123Zagnut123
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Does Summon Storm Atronach provide good group utility for Sorcerer?

    It doesn't really provide much to the group. One person receives major berserk for a short while. In contrast liquid lighting has a synergy that can help alkosh up times (which benefits everyone). Storm atrocities is marginal assistance at best.
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    Tannus15 wrote: »
    On synergy major berserk should be applied to both the person who activates the synergy and the sorc.

    There, I fixed it. :grin:

    side note : Replace Charged atro with stam morph, Air Atro. Letting it move and doing AOE spin damage would be cool and would give stam sorcs something unique instead of just running ballista.

    Having major beserk to the caster sounds nice, but wouldn't it be overpowered?
  • SaintSubwayy
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Tannus15 wrote: »
    On synergy major berserk should be applied to both the person who activates the synergy and the sorc.

    There, I fixed it. :grin:

    side note : Replace Charged atro with stam morph, Air Atro. Letting it move and doing AOE spin damage would be cool and would give stam sorcs something unique instead of just running ballista.

    Having major beserk to the caster sounds nice, but wouldn't it be overpowered?

    Attro costs 170 Ultpoint
    Sorc has no extra way of gaining ult, like the other classes have....so with the average 3 ults in 2sec you would need 113sec to regain the Ult, while the Uptime is 8seconds.

    So the max theoretical Uptime for the Player synergying the Attro is 14,125%
    Major Berserk is a DMG boost of 25%, with a 14,125% uptime, this would be a max DMG increase of 3.5%, so weaker than Minor Berserk, even if its only at a 50% uptime.

    The advantage of the Attro is, that you can Time the DMG boots to a Timewindow when its needed...bu tthen the Sorc is Sitting on his ult waiting for it to be usefull.
    And then when he gets dstro ult its prob more DMG when the sorc uses destro (as soon as there are more than 2 or 3 bosses or adds)

    So BUffing the Attro to effect the Sorc seems only fair, since he "sacrifices" his Ult to boost someone elses DMG. And even then I m not sure if Destro wouldnt be stronger
    Edited by SaintSubwayy on January 9, 2019 8:56AM
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  • Tasear
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Tannus15 wrote: »
    On synergy major berserk should be applied to both the person who activates the synergy and the sorc.

    There, I fixed it. :grin:

    side note : Replace Charged atro with stam morph, Air Atro. Letting it move and doing AOE spin damage would be cool and would give stam sorcs something unique instead of just running ballista.

    Having major beserk to the caster sounds nice, but wouldn't it be overpowered?

    Attro costs 170 Ultpoint
    Sorc has no extra way of gaining ult, like the other classes have....so with the average 3 ults in 2sec you would need 113sec to regain the Ult, while the Uptime is 8seconds.

    So the max theoretical Uptime for the Player synergying the Attro is 14,125%
    Major Berserk is a DMG boost of 25%, with a 14,125% uptime, this would be a max DMG increase of 3.5%, so weaker than Minor Berserk, even if its only at a 50% uptime.

    The advantage of the Attro is, that you can Time the DMG boots to a Timewindow when its needed...bu tthen the Sorc is Sitting on his ult waiting for it to be usefull.
    And then when he gets dstro ult its prob more DMG when the sorc uses destro (as soon as there are more than 2 or 3 bosses or adds)

    So BUffing the Attro to effect the Sorc seems only fair, since he "sacrifices" his Ult to boost someone elses DMG. And even then I m not sure if Destro wouldnt be stronger

    That makes sense.
  • MashmalloMan
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Tannus15 wrote: »
    On synergy major berserk should be applied to both the person who activates the synergy and the sorc.

    There, I fixed it. :grin:

    side note : Replace Charged atro with stam morph, Air Atro. Letting it move and doing AOE spin damage would be cool and would give stam sorcs something unique instead of just running ballista.

    Having major beserk to the caster sounds nice, but wouldn't it be overpowered?

    Attro costs 170 Ultpoint
    Sorc has no extra way of gaining ult, like the other classes have....so with the average 3 ults in 2sec you would need 113sec to regain the Ult, while the Uptime is 8seconds.

    So the max theoretical Uptime for the Player synergying the Attro is 14,125%
    Major Berserk is a DMG boost of 25%, with a 14,125% uptime, this would be a max DMG increase of 3.5%, so weaker than Minor Berserk, even if its only at a 50% uptime.

    You gain 3 ult every second. It would require 57s at that rate to get 171 ult. 8s of major berserk every 57 seconds amounts to 14% uptime. Greater lasts 28s, that is 49% uptime.

    The ult is pretty strong. I'm surprised major berserk is even applied to the atronach to be honest. 8/28s of your ult getting major berserk seems pretty balanced and getting anything as the caster for a synergy is unique. Useful for burst scenario's.

    Making the charged version stam morph would make sta sorc much more interesting as they severely lack class identity and group utlitiy where magsorcs can use this, liquid lightning AND provide minor sorcery. Stam sorcs can't provide minor sorcery unless they use dark deal, but in end game, it hurts dps to use so most don't slot it. There should be a more accessible way to provide that buff to your group.
    Tannus15 wrote: »
    On synergy major berserk should be applied to both the person who activates the synergy and the sorc.

    There, I fixed it. :grin:

    side note : Replace Charged atro with stam morph, Air Atro. Letting it move and doing AOE spin damage would be cool and would give stam sorcs something unique instead of just running ballista.

    sounds nic, but dunno how a spinning Pets would impact performance, jsut imagine a Raid with 8 Stamsorcs, each having the bayblade attro :lol:

    IMO Major Berserk should be applied to the PLayer synergizing it, and the 2 nearest players (like Major Slayer from MA and WM)

    Increasing the amount of allies effected from 1 to behave like MA for 3 sounds cool. I'd sacrifice the synergy effecting the atro for that if it came down to balance.


    Edited by MashmalloMan on January 9, 2019 5:34PM
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  • SaintSubwayy
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    You gain 3 ult every second. It would require 57s at that rate to get 171 ult. 8s of major berserk every 57 seconds amounts to 14% uptime. Greater lasts 28s, that is 49% uptime.

    The ult is pretty strong. I'm surprised major berserk is even applied to the atronach to be honest. 8/28s of your ult getting major berserk seems pretty balanced and getting anything as the caster for a synergy is unique. Useful for burst scenario's.

    Making the charged version stam morph would make sta sorc much more interesting as they severely lack class identity and group utlitiy where magsorcs can use this, liquid lightning AND provide minor sorcery. Stam sorcs can't provide minor sorcery unless they use dark deal, but in end game, it hurts dps to use so most don't slot it. There should be a more accessible way to provide that buff to your group.

    ah my bad thought its all 2 secs,....atleast uptime war right (cause i cant calculate :joy: )

    Increasing the amount of allies effected from 1 to behave like MA for 3 sounds cool. I'd sacrifice the synergy effecting the atro for that if it came down to balance.

    Well its just an Idea, another Option would be that the synergy could be used not just once, but up to a max of 3 Times, so ppl who dont pick it up miss out on it, and it would be easier to give the buff to the right ppl ;)

    Didint think about that the attro gains the buff aswell, but IF the Sorc casting the attro would gain it aswell, would be better IMO, Sorc isnt that strong atm, and it may help Sorcs to get better up ther ein PVE.

    Making Attro better for group synergy, and possibly also for the sorc casting it sounds nice.
    Another Option could be an area arround the attro, in which ppl get extra SD or Magickareg or such, would be pretty nice and requires good positioning of the attro and the group

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